Hey people, please give me a hand with someone if ya have the time to spare, as I'm rather stumped. I have recently had to create a website for a college assignment. Yet when I run the successfully operating HTML and CSS pages, the overflow and scroll-bar colour were working to begin with until I validated them. It seemed a bit odd to me that the standards for CSS and HTML don't seem to work well together? Unless when I edited the errors I fixed it wrong, but if that's true then the Validation would come up with more errors. www.2ysur2ys4me2.co.uk is the address the the site. When entering, the scroll bar colour is wrong and the overflow to control the horizontal scrollbar fails to work >_< Thanks for your time! By the way, I purposely removed the images and flash to save on the extremeley limited bandwidth the college chose as a provider ¬_¬

hi, about scrollbar colors: Why don't my scrollbar properties, filters, etc. validate? The CSS Validator validates your style sheet against some profile, e.g. CSS Level 1 or CSS Level 2. Some browser Vendors however extend these profiles by new properties like Microsoft did with the scrollbar-base-color or filter property or Mozilla with the -moz-opacity property. The Validator is not aware of these properties and using them makes your style sheet invalid in terms of the CSS specifications. Either get rid of those properties or live with the fact, that your style sheets don't validate. You cannot have both. from here: http://www.websitedev.de/css/validator-faq ----- about the /main/index.html (horz scrollbar issues), you specify width for the main table... why not use: width: 100%; ? --- Site of the Day

Lloyd, If you are interested in validating your web site (which is brilliant), you've missed some crucial bits out. "Atleast 1024x768 Resolution is Recommended To View This Site. Macromedia Flash Is Required To View Properly. Apologies For Any Inconvenience." Those few sentences kind of make validating your site quite pointless. And to add insult to injury, you then add a popup window to view the content. I'm not trying to be offensive, just my honest opinion. First off, have you ever heard of the Viewable With Any Browser campaign? Basically, because you claim you must have a 1024 x 768 pixel resolution to view: you're shunning off potential visitors. Also, I'm not sure what you were using the Flash for but I'll hazard a guess it was navigation. If it was for navigation or provided content: think about what would happen if a user visited the site with Flash disabled/not installed. The popup is quite bad practise. Good web pages don't open new windows without the user's permission (or without warning them beforehand). Also, if someone visits your site with Javascript disabled, they can't open the page. I don't mean to be rude but what is the point of your web site? If it's for experimentation, that's fine — I'm just curious. To make your site more friendly and accessible, I recommend you do these things: 1. Put the actual content page (this one) as the main page to the entire site. That means getting rid of the annoying doorway page. 2. Get rid of the frames completely. They're doing nothing and only make it incompatible with older browsers. Also, it's generally accepted that frames are bad practise and shouldn't be used except from in a few special circumstances. 3. Put something short on the index page which tells the visitor what your site is actually about. Also, I recommend you visit htmldog.com to learn HTML and CSS. It will take somewhere between 4-5 hours to learn them, less for more basic stuff. HTMLDog contains just about everything you need to know to create interesting, attractive yet validating web pages. Sorry to be a moaner, just thought I'd tell you my honest opinion. Free PC Help forums

Thanks for the feedback ^_^ James, I feel really frustrated that you said that, but not annoyed mind you ^_^ I know in the real world there are people with 800x600 screens, but in my opinion (although most likely a bad idea), it's about time stuff started moving forward to high resolutions. At work experience a couple of years back I didn't see a single soul in that company using anything smaller then 1024x768! As for Flash, I failed to see why that is shunned so much either, it can't be bad for everything especially if it's still used alot (for web games and such). But if programs such as Swishmax come with features to use website navigation in the flash file, i fail to see the point >_< I don't know a single soul who has Java disabled anyway, and aye popping up probably is bad practice, but I think it made the site look nice ^_^ lol The main point for my website is not for content or anything, I'm not being graded on that. I'm mainly be graded on Website Management, rather then Development, althoguh validating is a criteria I have to meet to atleast Pass the assignment. Point Number One you bring up is not feasable, as the pain in the butt assignment says it has to have an index page, leading to 3 folders, each containing another index page and 3 other pages of content. Although I guess in theory I could... still do what you suggest ^_^ Point Number Two... I don't understand why such things like Frames are shunned so much, if used properly surely they can be quite useful, as the only other thing I heard can do a similar thing is DIV's or something. If there so bad I fail to understand why some fool created them! And as for Point Number Three, that's definately agreeable, but as the assignment is about management, Content was basicaly last on my list ^_^ And trust me, I appreciate your opinion ^_^ I seems to be a replica of my Web Teachers, lol, guess you must be on the right lines. My web teacher recently said I can't use flash or frames anyway, so you will definately see a change there! Thanks again people ^_^ Sorry if I rushed this, I got some bits to do atm, so I kinda swish through it! And James, I'm not angry! I hate flame wars! lol

I know in the real world there are people with 800x600 screens, but in my opinion (although most likely a bad idea), it's about time stuff started moving forward to high resolutions. At work experience a couple of years back I didn't see a single soul in that company using anything smaller then 1024x768! At work experience? I would guess that the employees working at the company you were at had relatively large monitors and perhaps the reason they had a moderately high resolution was because they do graphical work. Nevertheless, it is a bad idea (I promise) and it is best if you create a "fluid layout" — one which fits the size of window it is in. As for Flash, I failed to see why that is shunned so much either, it can't be bad for everything especially if it's still used alot (for web games and such). The reason for not using Flash: Flash: 99% Bad. That article is written by Jakob Nielsen, unarguably one of the Web's greatest usability experts. I don't know a single soul who has Java disabled anyway, and aye popping up probably is bad practice, but I think it made the site look nice ^_^ lol I hope you mean Javascript. Read this article: I leave javascript disabled like a growing number of others. It is very informative and includes one specific point of interest: NEVER EVER use javascript to pop up a new window... I don't understand why such things like Frames are shunned so much ... If there so bad I fail to understand why some fool created them! Because, I bet, they must've initially thought, "Wow, they look cool! Let's keep 'em." Read this article (another by Jakob Nielsen) for more information: Why Frames Suck (Most of the Time). Content was basicaly last on my list ^_^ On the Web, content is king. What do all of the most popular web sites have in common? Original content. Read this article: How important is content to a successful website. I understand that the web site is for a graded assignment but having real content could only improve your marks. My web teacher recently said I can't use flash or frames anyway, so you will definately see a change there! Great! Flash and frames are the two big no-nos of web design, I promise. One question: why did you choose the domain name "2ysur2ys4me2.co.uk"? Honestly, I text regularly and I don't understand what it's supposed to mean! Hope that didn't sound too moany again. James Free PC Help forums

Because I'm in a great mood I've made a little template based on what your "assignment" was: http://james-greenwood.co.uk/chobits/ It has an index page and then three subsequent sections, each containing its own index page and three other pages. They all validate as XHTML 1.1 and contain an external CSS style sheet. You can download the whole package here: chobits.zip. The layout is also completely fluid. And the only image used on each page is the externally-linked XHTML validation image. (Even the corners are done with CSS!) Tell me what you think, James Tell me what you think, Free PC Help forums

Whoops, I put "Tell me what you think," twice. Free PC Help forums MiniApache