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Name: SullyD
Date: December 31, 2004 at 19:24:06 Pacific
Subject: Check out my site?
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Happy New Year everyone!

I was hoping I could get some feedback on my new website. Just keep in mind that I'm a newbie and it's my first try : )

my site

Thanks, SullyD

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Response Number 1
Name: Don Arnett
Date: January 1, 2005 at 00:20:21 Pacific
Subject: Check out my site?
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Overall I thought it was very nice.

The one thing that I didn't like was the cartoon characters and the moving, pointing hand on the first page. My first impression on seeing the cartoon character on the home page was 'amateur'. I don't think that it gives a good first impression. To me it doesn't say "professional artist".

I could live with the cartoon figure if you got rid of the moving, pointing hand. Those type of things are cute for about 10 seconds, after that they are annoying.

Small items that I'd tweak if it were my site:

- I'd put the banner, ie "The Photography of..." at the top of each page and the menu below the banner. And also not leave quite so much blank space above/below the banner. I'm using a 1152x768 monitor and still nearly half my screen is taken up by banner and top menu.

- I like the background idea, fading in from the sides to black in the middle. Why not carry that thru on the Computers and NewsLetter pages?? Going from the dark pages to the light grey and white background shocks the eye like a movie that goes from a night scene directly to a bright sunlight scene.

- Bethlehem Steel page - clicking on the thumbnails didn't work.

- Newsletter page - "I don't sell or give away emails, nor do I "copy" my newsletter."
?? None of those three concepts make sense to me (sell emails?, give away emails??, copy newsletter??)

"I use software to send separate emails to each recipient " - I understand this, and think that it's a nice consideration, but wouldn't using BCC accomplish the same thing?


But, I think that it has potential to be a very nice site. And I'm extremely jealous because I can't draw fly to syrup.


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Response Number 2
Name: SullyD
Date: January 1, 2005 at 11:27:07 Pacific
Subject: Check out my site?
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Hello Don,

I appreciate your advice. I changed the homepage with the logo at the top... really nice! that was a great suggestion! I'll be changing the other pages later. (New Year's dinner at Mom's...you know).

The pointing hand was an afterthought during construction just to see what it would look like. I do agree... it's amaturish (what was I thinking??? it ranks right down there with blaring midi music... egads!)

The cartoon character is a bit tough because it's sort of become my "trademark". I do alot of humorous writing that it goes with better. I'll have to think hard about getting rid of him!

I also agree about the backgrounds of the computer page and the newsletter page. I had the same thought about maintaining the "darkness", I needed to hear it from someone else. (do you think I should make the site index to match?)

Bethlehem Steel pics aren't uploaded yet... so I removed the links. give me time : )

And I use newsletter software to manage and send my newsletter. I used to BCC it, but to me that's amaturish. I want to let people know that they won't get spammed from signing up. Got any other suggestions for a nice way of saying that? Oh, wait... I'm the writer.

Ever since I went to SP2, my monitor only goes up to 1024 x 768. I have to go to rely on others to check it out at a higher res. can you let me know hoe the homepage looks now?

Your suggestions were really helpful. Thanks alot!!! and Happy New Year!

SullyD

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Response Number 3
Name: SullyD
Date: January 1, 2005 at 11:28:45 Pacific
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Don,

What browser are you using? I'm just curious.

SullyD

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Response Number 4
Name: Don Arnett
Date: January 1, 2005 at 12:49:27 Pacific
Subject: Check out my site?
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Getting rid of the pointy hand helped alot. The cartoon figure is fine, especially if he's a 'trademark'.

I have currently have three monitors in my computer room. Two 19" and one 14". I looked at your site on one 19" at 1152x864 using IE 6.0. The homepage is almost perfectly centered on the screen. The "last updated" text is about an inch above the bottom of the screen. I have some javascript that you could use to move the bottom menu up and down on the page to keep it visible when the page is short enough. That's probably not the case on a lot of your pages tho. You can see it at work on the homepage of "www.huskerswhobelieve.com" (tho I noted that I need to adjust it). As I change the content of that page, the javascript moves the DIV that the bottom menu is in so that it'll display at the bottom of the page as long as the page isn't too long. So even if I emptied the page, the bottom menu would be at the bottom of the page.

My linux computer also has a 19" monitor at the same resolution. I looked at the site with Mozilla 5.0 and it looks exactly the same on linux/mozilla as it does windows/IE. Thats a good job! Linux people will appreciate that. It appears that you are using "font size" number (font size="3"). I've never used those. I used to specify the font size as 'pt'. I recently discovered that by using 'px' for font size, the text is roughly the same size in both mozilla and IE, while that's not true for 'pt'.

The 14" monitor is on a Windows machine with IE 6 at 800x600. The home page shows up fairly nicely there. The white "The Artwork.." logo barely shows up without scrolling.

It appears that you designed most of your pages to fit an 800x600 resolution and be centered. That's what I've done lately, tho I've done Javascript lately to reposition the DIVs so I'll have to look at if your approach will work on my HWB see. The HWB site annoyingly shifts the page to center and you see it move almost every time you change pages. I haven't paid as much attention as I should on my sites, but I think that your home page could be made to easily look very nice and centered on a 800x600 screen and also look nice on larger resolution screens, especially if you use the javascript that I mentioned to move the bottom menu up and down.

The last time I check browser statistic sites, about 1/2 of internet users used 800x600 and 1/2 higher resolution, with the trend growing away from 800x600 toward higher. Only 1% or so use 640x480, so I barely consider them when I design (sorry guys).

I think that I'd stick with the dark background on the site map page also. The thing to be careful of is that the letters show up nicely. It took me a bit to figure out why on one screen the text menu was purple and on the other it was blue. I finally figured out the purple was the 'visited' color.

The purple is a little hard to see on the dark background. If you keep the 'visited' color, you might make it a bit lighter/brighter. I personally don't use the 'visited' color on my sites. I use text menus like you have, but want them to look the same all the time, not some items blue and some purple. So I just don't define the 'visited' color. I don't think people care about that. Also, I like to have a rollover change on my menu items. In the case of text menus, I have my text color change when you move the mouse over it. You can see that on the HWB site. I don't like underlines my self, so I don't program in underlining on rollevers etc. If a person likes links underlined, they can set their browser to do that.

Hopefully this all makes some sense. I'm just kind of rambling. I'll give it a quick read thru before final posting. I'll also try to put together a quick demo page for moving the bottom menu.

Given that you have so many pages, are you using any special programming techniques to make things easier. For example, regarding your menu. You have it in two places on each page and eight different pages. The hard way would be to have 16 bits of menu HTML. Or you could find a way to code it once and somehow include it into the pages, so that if you change the menu, you have to change only one bit of code and it'll change in all 16 places. I've done that in the past with JSP and now I use PHP. If you don't want to both learning something like PHP right now, you might be able to do it with SSI (server side includes). I believe that you can put some type of include statement in your HTML and the webserver will insert the 'included' file before sending the page back to the browser. So, in theory, you could put the menu code in a separate file and include it twice on each page. I've never done this with SSI, but would think that it would work. First thing to check is that your webhosting provider supports it.

If I don't post back a link about the javascript code, if you are interested in it, feel free to email me.


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Response Number 5
Name: SullyD
Date: January 3, 2005 at 21:57:00 Pacific
Subject: Check out my site?
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Don,

Your suggestions put me to work for hours! Among other things, I went with rollover text for my menu, made all the backgrounds similar and got rid of the "visited link" colors. I must say it looks much better now.

As far as the script to keep my menu at the bottom... I think I'll be alright. The only time I'll have a short page is during construction, so I don't think it'll matter

Thanks alot for your advice!

SullyD

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Response Number 6
Name: OldRelic
Date: January 24, 2005 at 00:17:41 Pacific
Subject: Check out my site?
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Not a bad site at all. I'm on a 800X600 w/256 colors and most look fine except your last contact page, the text was very hard to read. The cartoons are fine, gives it a friendly atmosphre.

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Response Number 7
Name: SullyD
Date: January 26, 2005 at 13:16:37 Pacific
Subject: Check out my site?
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Hi OldRelic,

Thanks for your feedback.

If I may ask... what was the prob with the contact page? text too small?

I realized when I started the site that, working with a black background, it would be difficult to maintain function, legibility and an artistic atmosphere. I admit it does have it's downfalls, but I simply didn't want a site that looked like everyone else's.

The other thing is that I'm learning as I go. So, I'll finish a gallery with 15 pages... learn something new... then re-do the pages for the gallery. It's driving me insane... but I like it!!!

... and you like my cartoon guy.... cool!

SullyD

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