Hey everyone,

I'm interested in helping out here. I want to test my web creation and design skills (XHTML and CSS mainly) and I am offering something for nothing here.

If anybody has a current personal/hobby website to do with computing or any other semi-related subject, I am willing to help re-design or help build the site from scratch again.

First of all, I'm not saying every site is a pile of crap. In fact, a lot are excellent. However, I know plenty of people who make websites using Microsoft FrontPage and have little clue what the words functionality, content, design and accessibility mean.

I hope someone takes up my offer,

James

Hi, I am currently redsigning my site http://tnt-radio.tk i used to be quite good but I have slipped down in stanards over the last few years so i will take up your offer if u want i would like it to be done from scratch if u accept then give me your email so we can swap further details.

NICK

BTW does it matter if it is not to do with computing really, well it is in a way cos i stream my radio via windows media encoder and have it to play straight from the site. it doesnt matter if u dont wanna i'll understand.

NICK

I bet you were hoping I would jump at this opportuninty for you to pick my website apart, huh? Well even though it is done if front page and you think I may be clueless about building websites, I think, along with a whole lot of other people "that their opinions mean a whole lot more than chauds" that my website is just fine. Sure I need to update my links as alot of them don't work anymore, but outside that I like my site just fine and care not to have anyone "redo" it. Thanks for the offer but if I want it done, I'll do it myself. I have some new programs, I won't say what they are, but I will have a new face on my website sooner than you expected.

LMAO

I bet you were hoping I would jump at this opportuninty for you to pick my website apart, huh?

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My opinion means alot to me :-P
I am a better designer
Want to redesign excellhosting.net? if you can do better?

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@Terri-Now you're just plain paranoid. Okay, a couple people (only one of whom we've seen before or since that thread) freaked out on you about your website...That's hardly any reason to accuse somebody who is only looking for a project to do pro-bono of coming after you.

@James - If I had a computer related website, I would take you up on it in a heartbeat. If you or anybody else would like to suggest a new look for the first website I ever made, sharingds.org, I'm all ears. I'll be the first to admit the design is awful (I'm a programmer, not a designer), but it's actually a fairly successful website and brings in a lot of people into the organization.

@chaud-
A really good designer would fix the errors that I pointed out to them weeks ago :-) Unmeterted??? Pretty colors don't make bad spelling go away. ;-)

-SN

This is a very good offer, but it appears your own site could benefit from the effort :)

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Chaud, their is not actually a lot to your site, lots of graphics used

This works great, and youve certinely got the design side of things right

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Terri:

No, actually, I wasn't hoping you would "jump at this opportunity". In fact, I like your website: it's informative and down-right useful. Although I have expressed my opinion before about FrontPage on these forums, the main reason for my dislike is towards people who make a website "just because they can". They fill it up with hundreds of banner ads, pop-ups and other advertising annoyances and then go on to add hit counters, guest books, forums and so on without really thinking about content.

One thing I do think: you're being pretty paranoid about this.

Chaud:

I remember there was a thread where you and Terri were "politely" conferring with each other about website matters. I understand your comment about being a better designer and I may just take on your offer of redesigning excelhosting.net (if I find the time).

SN:

Thanks for your great post, they're always a pleasure to read. You manage to bring some pure sanity into every thread on the forum! Just one thing though, what's "pro-bono"?

Also, sharingds.org looks like another interesting candidate. I like redesigning other people's websites, it helps me understand the purpose and meaning of each one. I agree the design is quite awful but I also agree that it's the content that matters. :-)

b0red:

The reason I've put out this offer was because I was bored (or the irony!) of building my site. I felt that anything I wrote had probably already been written before -- on the subject of computers -- and so there was no point. However, I will keep working at it and I want to eventually have an interesting and resourceful site for others.

Thanks to all who posted, I am probably going to take nick's offer up for the radio site he wants to make.

James

James, I must appologize if I seemed paranoid over this offer. It's just that with the thread you refered to where Chaud and I had our little "go around", well I just have to think hard about things. I read alot of the posts on this board, but don't post to too many of them for fear of a repeat performance with Chaud. Thank you for the compliment on my website. I know it is in dire need of updating, or at least link- checking. Alot of my downloads pages are gone because I linked to the site page and not the file (as no one should do because that uses others bandwith). I have attempted to add new content but I look at all my colleges that have their computer help websites and figure why should I put up the same information that is already out there, so I just created many, many links to all their sites with the information I think others will be able to use.
My logo that not too many here seem to like, cannot be changed if I wanted to or not. It is linked to another site by that logo. Meaning the same logo appears on the other site with a linkback to my site. I cannot change it without changing both sites. I would however like to make it an animated banner and I am working on that. Just have to find the right photo program for it and get it installed. Haven't fully recovered all my programs from last crash. Busy keeping other's computers up and running instead of my own.
My site was originally aimed at content and not style or graphic personalities. I have had many compliments on my site, but as I stated they are for the content, which I think I have done a very good job there. My site has exceeded 75 pages (I think). I know it's time for a change but changing one page means changing them all, and although you and many others are not fond of Front Page, it does do at least that. I am working on some other things. I have found email programs and send forms that use your own mailto: codes. I just haven't had a chance to play with it yet. And with the php too. I'm really trying but with so much on my plate I have trouble finding time just to pop in here for a few minutes a day. Working 2 jobs 7 days a week right now and have at least 5 computer jobs on the table due before next week.
I did like your site you made in notepad. Although it did look like the other persons site (somewhat), I'm sure it was just because the codes were simple ones and easily shared. I don't think you copied it.
Anyway I just wanted to say thanks and let you know what was on my mind. I'll see you around again I'm sure. Good luck on rebuilding somebody's website.

Terri

James r u a notepad designer at heart?

Or do you prefer to use enhancement packages like dreamweaver?

I personally use notepad for all sites as i find it gives you a better idea of how things work in the site

however dreamweaver is a lot faster if you know how to use it..

as for front page, well thats wot it is. soon as ppl see sum1s front page of their website their get the hell outta their

only messn :P

Regards, Jamie McCoy

"as for front page, well thats wot it is. soon as ppl see sum1s front page of their website their get the hell outta their"

LMAO that was awesome. well yeah, i think notepad users are kinda dumb, i also dont liek dreamweaver users, they're kinda dumb too. i prefer the AceHTML users. it has a really easy interface, color coding making it easier to work with, and auto-build command type thingys making it faster to do stuff.

FBI_Agent

Terri:

I didn't realise how much you really do. I have learnt to appreciate that a lot of people (not most of the people on these forums) don't really know how to use or prefer someone else's help when it comes to computers.

Very best for your website and I hope I see you around. :-)

Jamie:

Yes, I've always coded in Notepad. It gives you full control of the content, layout and allows you to make validating code.

I have used Dreamweaver before and have made numerous sites (for _other_ people) with it. It's now a complex beast and I completely preferred the pre-MX versions, or more specifically version 4. It had less bloat, had a better layout and was just less clutter on the eyes.

Yes, I have expressed my opinion about FrontPage before. However, I have heard that the latest incarnation actually pays attention to the code it writes... somewhat. But a very nice comment on it, nonetheless.

FBI Agent:

I have had this discussion with you before on another thread. Someone else gave you the answer in a much better way that I did but the jist of it was: people who create sites in Notepad actually know what they are doing and how everything works. They have no syntax highlighting, automatic code insertion or any other malarky. I don't see why you think "Notepad users are kinda dumb", you need more of a brain to write sites/pages in Notepad than any other program.

I have tried many different HTML editor tools (where you write the HTML yourself but have various assistance from the program) and I have always gone back to Notepad. AceHTML sounds cool but I wouldn't use it -- too much clutter.

James

James, if I have learned one thing in these forums it has been, why do the work all over again when it has already been done for you. Just learn to have the appriciation for the creator of the work and give them full credit for it, which I do. And I try very hard to not ever post a link to another help site on my site without that site owner/creator's permission. And I have it posted in my credits that just in case I missed thanking anyone specially, I have said thank you to everyone. Because we all learn from each other. I have learned a very lot from all you guys up here. If nothing else I have learned to hang in there and keep my chin up and my nose to the grindstone and not let a single person influence me into doing something that is not really in my heart to do. "Thanks Chaud". And thank you everyone up here on this board for making me a little wiser. I am trying to find php teaching sites, any suggestions? I'm not good at reading books and tutorials. I learned all of what I know from email lessons and here at Computing.net. Thanks again all.

Hi Terri,

The best way I have found is by using tutorials. As you say, these haven't helped you very much. I have learnt a lot of PHP and a tiny bit of MySQL through many tutorials all over the WWW.

If you're interested, I can help you with your PHP. PHP is, in my opinion, a simple language but it takes ages to "know" it right. I can do e-mail lessons with you if you like. I'm not trying to sound clever or big-headed, I just like helping everyone out. :-)

If you do want to, please send me a private message through the My Computing.Net bit.

James

James sorry but I cannot take up you offer of doing my site sorry.

Hey Nick,

Do you mind telling me why? I think I am offering a semi-professional service... lol

James

ye 1 of my m8s did it this morning for me soz man I told you as soon as possible good luck in finding someone else to make a site for them. Thnx Again for the offer!

NICK

I didnt fix the site, it will be done in the next version. Its not alot, beacuase its purpose is to sell! I am making a content rich site, and yes, its alot of work. I can bring those people back if you want :-P

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@Terri

"It's just that with the thread you refered to where Chaud and I had our little "go around", well I just have to think hard about things."

Why? It is your site, not theirs. So if you like what it looks like, that is the only opinion which counts. The chaud's and james's of this world may sneer or blow their own trumpet as much as they wish, but they are one tiny speck in the world population.

So, at the end of the day, just WTF does their personal opinion about a web site really matter except to their own ego? Unless hit count is the only thing which motivates you, don't let the opinions of others spoil the pleasure you get from your own site. :)

I respect they have plenty of great content, but its not well organized and doesnt look good

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In your personal opinion only, chaud. Like I said, your opinion is no more important than anyone else's, whatever you may like to think about that. If Terri is happy with her site which she pays for with her money, then what others think of it means squat.

"The chaud's and james's of this world may sneer or blow their own trumpet as much as they wish, but they are one tiny speck in the world population."

Although I wholeheartedly agree with the point you're making, it's worth mentioning that I couldn't find any post in which James criticized Terri's site...On the contrary, he's only been encouraging her. I don't know how he got put in the same group as chaud. He didn't participate in the 72 post monolith in question.

Look at our own webmaster, Justin, for example. Hardly a week goes by that he doesn't get somebody telling him his site is dated and needs a new design. But he just does what he feels like and enjoys tremendous success...He can take considerable pride in the fact that his "outdated" site has literally helped thousands of people and saved countless hours of troubleshooting and research. If you're happy with your site, then ignore what other people say. Actually, even if you're unhappy with your site, still ignore chaud says because he has his own ego, rather than your best interests, at heart.

@James - "Pro bono" is a term lawyers use when they take on a case for free. I'm the black sheep in my family of a long line of attorneys, so the legal jargon sneaks into my posts occasionally :-)

-SN

SN:

Thanks for clearing all that up. I didn't understand why people thought I had criticized Terri's site.

Your point about being outdated is a very good one. I, for one, believe this site is also "outdated" but I doubt Justin Weber will pay an ounce of attention to what I have just said. Also, thanks for the "pro-bono" thing; I never would have guessed it had anything to do with law. ;-)

Just a quick question: why do you (and others -- I have noted) put a '@' before someone's name when replying?

James

@safe Tsurfa:

(even now 3 more posts went up before I could reply).
Sorry it took me so long to get back to this. Was stuck behind a format/reinstall for the last day. I accidentally formatted the wrong hard drive so now I have to fix that one too.
But as to all this that has been said I'll say this:
I use Front Page because it is user friendly and easy to navigate. I see alot of websites done in Front Page. You can tell it is a Front Page website just by looking at it, and the background theme of it. Front Page themes are exclusive you know. I would very much like to learn to do a website in notepad but that is so time consuming and I have so little of that to spare. I don't see the problem with Front Page, so why all the fuss over it? I see others ask questions about their sites done in Front Page and no one bites their heads off so I guess it must of been something with just me that some of you don't like.
And I have tried some other programs and don't like them very much.
I'm always looking to improve my site. But some sites I have seen have looked the same since day one. Sometimes I just get bored and want a new look. But you're right, bottom line is I like my site, and I do have good content, and all of the people I associate with like it. Even the ones that pay me for designing and hosting their sites "domain or sub-domain" makes no difference to them. They told me before it was voted on for me to do their site that they had been to my site and they liked what they saw.

As for the comment by Chaud:
I respect they have plenty of great content, but its not well organized and doesnt look good

I don't want to get into another "catfight" but first off:
WHO ASKED YOU? I didn't.
And who said you're site was number one.
My personal opinion of your site? I usually keep my 2¢ to myself but you deserve it now.
The name is too common. Everyone uses the word/name Excell to promote themselves because they think they are excellent. I would rather be known as unique than excellent in copying others.
Your colors are very bad. I have a few friends in the "mid-life" age catagory that tell me they are, or have become "blue-green" colorblind and they can't see the blue/greens so well anymore. So what colors are your site? Blue green. Guess you don't want alot of people to see what they are looking at, huh?
Images? Looks copied/pasted from somewhere. Maybe out of a childs beginer site or something. Not very unique. Shows NO indivualality at all.
Pricing of course is the worst. But I understand, this is your business. Better to have 10 one time customers and get a big commission of them than to have 25 customers that you charged a lower price and they come back for repeat business and tell all their friends where to go for a great deal. I got ya. Funny thing though, when I went to college for Business Management they taught us to do things the second way and not your way. But to each his own I guess.
And last, with prices so high, I don't even think I would advertize them openly. I would have them posted on a back page or even send estimates out by email.
When I offered webdesign I put it right up front that it would be simple design. No flash or animation (except simple gifs). I stated I would use Front Page, so if the client didn't prefer Front Page they had the option to click my site close. But they always have that option. No one is forced to use any special web-service, ever.
My prices were extremely underpriced and therefore also extremely affordable. Maybe that is why you tried to cut my throat? So I would pull my add and they would use your overpriced, colorblinded, services?
And I also made it clear they could use a free-subdomain for a cheaper price, or I could have them set up on a paid domain if that was their preference. I gave them options. Where are yours? Except to pay outrageous prices or pay even more outrageous prices? Not much choice in what you offer your clientel.
Oh, and one more thing. LOSE THE BANNER. It's way TOO big and takes up way too much of the webpage when you are looking at the rest of the damaged site. And that's all I have to say about that. Life is like a box of chocolates and I sure would rather have what's in my box than Chaud's box.

As for James, no he never chastized me. Only gave me support. Thanks James, and let me appologize for anyone that misinterprited anything you said.

As for my site being outdated, I know it is. but hey like it was said, so is this one and many more. Justin updates things when you least expect it. I only made a simple comment once about the time status because I didn't know what time zone Computing.net was coming from. Next thing I know the "Pacific" stamp was behind all time stamps at the top. I didn't ask for it but Justin after reading that post of mine felt it was needed. Justin does a good job here and I don't think I would want him doing an overhaul, as I'm sure Chaud would have him do if he could. There is more design/hosting out there than any of us can shake a "mouse" at, and you will find alot of it right here, given the forum title "web-developement". So why can't we just let everybody have their little inch or so of space on this big WORLD WIDE WEB? There's enough room for everyone so "MOVE OVER CHAUD" and let the rest of the world in.
And now that's all I have to say about that.

The name is too common. Everyone uses the word/name Excell to promote themselves because they think they are excellent.
I didnt pick the name

So what colors are your site? Blue green. Guess you don't want alot of people to see what they are looking at, huh?
Most people can see it fine, Im oh so sorry that you cant...99.9999% of my clients think it looks perfectly fine. Want to see whats happening in the webdesign industry? http://templatemonster.com -Templates for sale!

Pricing of course is the worst. But I understand, this is your business. Better to have 10 one time customers and get a big commission of them than to have 25 customers that you charged a lower price and they come back for repeat business and tell all their friends where to go for a great deal
Wow, you really dont know whats happening, you need to get out sometime. All my clients have stuck with me from the start, havent lost one yet! They pay monthly...so I dont see how im overchargning them.

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Please tell me how I am overpriced.....

And last, with prices so high, I don't even think I would advertize them openly. I would have them posted on a back page or even send estimates out by email.
Again, im underpriced....

My prices were extremely underpriced and therefore also extremely affordable. Maybe that is why you tried to cut my throat? So I would pull my add and they would use your overpriced, colorblinded, services?
What exactly service are you talking about!?

And I also made it clear they could use a free-subdomain for a cheaper price, or I could have them set up on a paid domain if that was their preference. I gave them options. Where are yours? Except to pay outrageous prices or pay even more outrageous prices? Not much choice in what you offer your clientel.
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Oh, and one more thing. LOSE THE BANNER. It's way TOO big and takes up way too much of the webpage when you are looking at the rest of the damaged site. And that's all I have to say about that. Life is like a box of chocolates and I sure would rather have what's in my box than Chaud's box.
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Terri: STFU. Your site is seriously one of the biggest POSs I have ever seen. How the hell do you even call that good? I have seen people starting out do batter. Quit picking on Chaud just because he is better then you. I understand that you are jelous of him and his business, but there is no need to get your panties into a bunch over it... Calm down and learn real webmastering, not "FrontPage".

To gunman:

I really didn't want to go into this cat fight again but ok lets start here:

First off, this is none of your damn business! This is between Chaud and myself!

"I have seen people starting out do batter."
Just what have you seen them doing? Baking a cake since they are doing "batter".

And just what the hell does: STFU and POSs mean? Excuse me for not being part of your ROTFLMFAO world. I live in the real world with real people where they speak and type real words, not this insane LOL s---. So if you wanna cut me down have the decency to do it in plain english thank you.

Chaud is not better than me, he's not better than anybody, he only thinks he is.

The only reason I cut down the BIG BANNER is because he told me to lose my banner, so I figure what is good for one is good for all. His banner is way bigger "and stupider" than mine is.

Jealous of his measly little 5 page website? I hardley think so. My site is over 75 pages and still growing. I'm not moving over for the likes of you or him!!!

And if you're gonna tell people what to do and how to do it the least you could do is again, learn english. Webmastering??? What the hell is that? I have heard of webdesigning, and webhosting, and even webmanaging, but webmastering, again, what the hell is that? Educate me please?

And last of all gunman, who said I even wear any panties? If I don't wear any panties, how can I get them in a bunch? Front Page does just what I need it to do, so buzz off buddy!!!

Now as for you Chaud: All I ever see you do is posting links to other sites either reviewing your site or statical sites. Far as I'm concerned thats like using a sprinkler system to put out a forest fire!! Your site is dull and drab to look at. I don't care what all your staticts say. That is my opinion and as long as I live in AMERICA I am entitled to it!! You can't force me to like your site. Nothing you ever do will. You are a bad person and I'll tell everyone to stay away from Excell Hosting. I'll post it on my site how you are a chavonistic pig and have to come in here to this "once nice" forum and blast your company advertisements around. That's called SPAM you know. I'm sure Justin is just being nice but if you read the rules of this site, spamming your site is not allowed. That's why the image option was changed to the way it was. We were all bickering over who's site was better and posting large image banners to the sites, so Justin changed it and made it so you have to turn on images now. So why don't you just go crawl back into your tiny little hole of a website and take all your damn links of reviews and staticts with you cause I don't give a dead rats ass about any of them or you for that matter. NOW GET OFF MY BACK. MY SITE IS STAYING RIGHT THE WAY IT IS. IN FACT MAYBE I'LL MAKE IT EVEN MORE ANNOYING FOR YOU AND COME IN HERE AND SPAM IT AFTER EVERY POST YOU DO IF YOU DON'T LEAVE ME ALONE!!!!!!!!!!!!

@gunman: I'm with you!!!

@Terri:
Shut up, please.
You keep saying your a great web designer, but your not. EVRYONE KNOWS YOUR NOT A GOOD WEB DESIGNER. You may have good content, BUT CONTENT IS NOT DESIGN. So STOP saying your good at web design.

Oh my God, I spelt one word wrong. Sue me.

Not my business? If you haven't learned by now, this is a messege board. This is for anybody who wants to post their opinion. I have the same right as you do.

You say you have a 75+ page site. Whoop-de-doo to you. That doesnt really count seeing how all of your pages combined dont even look half as good as 1 of Chaud's.

Don't try to act tough or like you are God of webdesign. Your site isn't very good, infact it's not good at all. I bet you that I get more page views a day then you have the whole time your site has been up. I can probably take the number of unique visitors that I get in 1 day, and it will be more then you have ever recieved. So dont come here trying to act all high and mighty.

Jealous of his measly little 5 page website? I hardley think so. My site is over 75 pages and still growing. I'm not moving over for the likes of you or him!!!
And my site is not focoused on content, its to sell things! How much can you write about selling things, and its like 20 pages :-P
You are a bad person and I'll tell everyone to stay away from Excell Hosting.You are a bad person and I'll tell everyone to stay away from your site.
I'LL MAKE IT EVEN MORE ANNOYING FOR YOU AND COME IN HERE AND SPAM IT AFTER EVERY POST YOU DO IF YOU DON'T LEAVE ME ALONE!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks, but it cant get worse...

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trust me it can and it will........

Ok then, you do that :-P
Im satisfied with my life, I have a nice site and make $$. I don't really care much about your little site. And it must not be too popular, as you only have 1gb bandwidth

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Owned. By. Chaud.

Terri, calm down. Can't you see they are just winding you up, it really is best to ignore such childish antics. If they want to sabotage Justin's board with their petulance and posturing then let them, and leave Justin to deal with the problem.

As for using FP, if that is what you are comfortable with, then do it. Others may think it is "cheating", but if it helps you get a page up which you might not otherwise do, then it serves its purpose.

Personally I hand code in a text editor, because that is what I am comfortable doing, and it is the way I learnt web page authoring from day one. I've used FP it made mistakes, so did Dreamweaver in a critical part of the code, so I use what I know works for me. You should do the same, no matter what others think about your choice.

Most important though, is you keep on taking their bait, and the stress isn't worth it. Just concentrate on the things you enjoy, in the way it pleases you, and leave them to go find another victim for their petty games. ;)

Thanks safe Tsurfa. I will do that. See you around cuz I probably won't post here again. You can find me on the win95/98 board where the people appriciate the work you put into something. Not saying you and James, you both supportted me here, but you know who I mean. See ya...

safeTsurfa,

Yeah, I think some people on these forums just like to start arguments for no particular reason. It's best to think positive, in my opinion.

Terri,

OK, I'll see you around too on the Win9x forum. Just one thing: next time someone looks like they're starting an argument for no particular reason, I would just leave it. If no-one replies to their gratuitous criticisms,they'll look an idiot and not you. It's what I always do... ;-)

Seeya around,

James

Thanks, and don't come back if you dont feel like constructive critisim.

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If you call what you give out constructive then I am the QUEEN of WEBMASTERING, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Good ridance to the likes of the Chaud's of the world. The world will be a better place without your stupid, chavonistic posts bouncing off the walls up here, so ya this is my last and don't go posting another Chaud because you've seen the last of my posts, not the last of me cuz I'll be watching, just the last of my posts. You don't deserve to be in the same league as me, hahahahahahaaaaaaa!!!!!!

Wow, and you talk about immature. All Im saying is I dont like your design, children dont have a problem accepting cirtizim, so why do you?

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Terri, you are acting quite childish.

A grandmaacting chidish? Havent seen that in a LONG time.

~Rick

Rick, Shut up, your insanely immature. Your immaturity, Rick, transcends age. Thats how immature you are... Wanting to see someone cry over an internet dispute... sheesh. Thats dispicable. I agree her layout is horrible, lacks organization etc... but rick you bring a whole new level to this dispute, just leave yourself out of it.

FBI Agent: Are you serious? Do you really believe notepad designers are dumb? I don't know if you're ignorant or just plain stupid. Most developers that use notepad use it because they are most familiar with it and they use it on a daily basis. Notepad is quick, easy to use, and doesn't allocate much memory.

I do all of my php, c++, javascript, xml, java, and assembly work in notepad/gedit.

Ps - I'll write a dreamweaver in notepad ;). Oh yea, could you please try not to spell like a complete retard.

Terri: I really don't care how much you know about web design/development. You actually have to work for a living. A lot of the members on these forums are kids that sit in front of their computer and program all day. So its understandable that you don't know as much as them. I don't know why you and chaud always have to compete :\.

Some of the problems with frontpage and other wysiwyg editors is that they don't create w3schools complient code. They often break a lot of the rules including...
- using shortscuts rather then the full html code (such as using checked and selected in forms)
- they often use all caps for tags, which isn't valid
- improper nesting of tables, font tags, etc...
- and unnecessary code
- limiting code readability

ps - http://dark2k1.com for quick, easy to read php tutorials ;)

Chaud: Yes, I think you are better at designing layouts but I think terri is better at writing content. Her content pages are easy to understand, well organized, and helpful.

I don't know why everyone is trying to bash terri's site. Tell her what you don't like on her site and how she can fix it. You guys shouldn't always be trying to put others down. That isn't cool :P.

~dar2k1~

http://dark2k1.com

@dark2k1

Dude, nice post. Sums it up perfectly. If you haven't seen what I've already written, I've always coded in Notepad, for my XHTML, CSS, PHP, Win32Asm, C++, QBASIC(!) and so on.

I visited your site and I just have one positive criticism to make:

The text is too small! I don't understand why people like tiny text, it makes it hard to read -- especially on smaller monitors like mine. The whole point of HTML was to allow everyone to view it. Although, you could argue that I'm being lazy and I should adjust my browser, most people unfortunately use IE which doesn't allow you to adjust absolutely-sized text.

Apart from that minor annoyance, your site is cool. I had a look at the PHP tutorials. The basics one is obviously too easy and the random quotes one I have written myself (without looking at any web page) for a laugh. Check out this page. I've also written the IP ban, hit counter, mail() form, hashing/encryption, includes, server status, redirects and cookies scripts before. I've read a few and they're really nice to read and easy to understand, well done.Three that do interest me are the MySQL database search engine, simple user system and output buffers. I'll be reading and following them ;-)

Thanks,

James

To Dark2k1: Bookmarked your site and I'll check it out about the php. Thanks. And thanks for the constructive critisism. And thanks James for your input. I'll be working on my site soon.

Terri,

I have seen a few posts in this forum where you were criticized unnecessarily. In google I found your site listed in the first page in quite a few searches I have attempted and always found very useful.

Until the design of your site came up for discussion in a few posts here , I have never realised that the design was bad.
May be it is the intention of the people who are criticising your site to make you fall into their trap.

Most of the average users like me don't get into a site because its design is good. It is the content which matters.

Infact, couple of our friends who access this forum frequently , find it very uncomfortable someone nagging you all the time and your responding to them instantly. Now that you have made it clear that you will not be again part of their play , it gives a great relief.

Not many people at your age will have the kind of determination you have and everyone knowledgeable should be proud of what you do.

Regards,
Susan

Thanks Susan. Although I am not as old as some think. Well maybe I am, but I don't feel old when I am crawling around on the floor with my grandaughter. I will be 48 in 10 days from now. And I have to thank you on the compliments of my site. I too, always looked for content. Then yesterday after all the bull that has gone on here I tripped over this site:

http://home.comcast.net/~skip9/index.html.

I don't fault the guy because I realize how my site got to be the way it looked unorganized and all. You just keep adding new information but forget to put it all in the right order. I have many pages like that now that I look at it, but you have to say there is alot of content there to go through and organize.
I didn't build my site for looks, I built it originally just to store my personal computer information pages on. Then it somehow just turned into this massive website. Then I picked up partners and colleges attached to it, so it would be hard for me to just pack up and move my server without making about 50 others change stuff on their sites too. I don't want to put others out like that. I am here to try and help, not create more problems.
But anyway I just wanted to say thanks Susan.

@James

Thanks :) I'm glad you enjoyed viewing the content on my site. The reason why my site uses a smaller font (verdana 10pt), rather than a larger font is because my target audience is young. Most young people don't have a problem reading small text.

If you're really bored you can check out two of my other sites ;)

I've checked out your site. I like the layout, it looks great and its very organized. But I wish you had some more content ;). Keep up the good work and keep adding that content!

http://powerportal.sourceforge.net
http://swishsolutions.com

@Terri

Content, content, content. YOu're right, for a site like yours(purely informational) the layout isn't as important as the content.

@Everyone
Oh yea, there is another use for notepad that I forgot to add :P. I type all of my long posts in notepad(if my browser crashes i loose my posts). Notepad never crashes so my posts are safe :).

@Dark2k1

"The reason why my site uses a smaller font (verdana 10pt), rather than a larger font is because my target audience is young. Most young people don't have a problem reading small text."

So you don't consider accessibility important? What about the many who have a visual impairment and need larger font sizes? Aren't they welcome at your site? You certainly have made them feel like they are?

@safeTsurfa

No they aren't. If they can't see it then that is just too bad. They'll have to turn up their font zoom if they don't like it. The fact is that 10pt verdana looks good.

My site also has over 74 themes that I made. If they don't want to use Dark2k1_Development_v3 they can choose from a vast library of other themes.

http://powerportal.sourceforge.net

Heheh, old people that are blind usually do not code.

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