Why is MS pushing W10 so hard??

February 4, 2016 at 14:12:15
Specs: Win 7 SP1
Hi,

new here, looks to be great forums for ITs,

I cant get clear explanation of why is Microsoft so much pushing to deliver Win10 to our systems - in the past they threats us because of support ending, no drivers, security things, blahblah, just to sell new OS,

but now its really getting over limit - Win10 is for free, and they are doing anything to smuggle it to your pc - annoying notifications, download of whole installation through automatic updates without any warning and install in one click, free copy for non-genuine with extra discount price, even will give you discount for your old computer "http://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft-will-offer-you-300-trade-your-old-macbook-new-windows-10-pc"

Any ideas why's this happening, will be there some hidden fees in future, or some time-restricted license, or just want to spy on everyone???? "http://bgr.com/2016/01/05/microsoft-windows-10-spying-2015-user-data/"

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#1
February 4, 2016 at 14:24:09
They want to support just one version of the OS, much as Apple does. It makes a lot of sense.

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#2
February 4, 2016 at 14:38:51
If you want your links to be clickable, don't put quotes around them.

http://www.windowscentral.com/micro...

http://bgr.com/2016/01/05/microsoft...

Personally, I think there's more to it than just wanting to support a single OS. But I'm a conspiracy theorist & a cynic ;-)
If you don't want Windows 10 pushed onto your PC, use GWX Control Panel. I prefer the stand-alone version:

http://ultimateoutsider.com/downloads/

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#3
February 4, 2016 at 14:57:33
Money... is likely part of the reason... Control another... Overt and possibly not so overt snooping... Desire to force non M$ products out of business...

Conspiracy theories... - perhaps. But based on comments various about what's been bundled/installed by default in terms of monitoring both M$ stuff"and noting what's not M$ etc... I doubt it's just pure paranoia on the part of many...

But remember that the prime goal of all companies is to make money...; and anything goes - if they can get away with it...


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#4
February 4, 2016 at 20:04:01
Err umm. Money is the ONLY reason. Control, snooping and the like are just part of it.

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#5
February 5, 2016 at 13:27:00
I do not really believe it matter what we think. The bottom line is that Microsoft owns the software and us users are granted permission only to use it through EULA.

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/lega...

i_Xp/Vista/W7/W10 User

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#6
February 5, 2016 at 14:24:54
Indeed and the M$ lawyers do have a part in this; earning their money ensuring that M$ can do what they please... and we can but agree to it via the EULA...; unless we move to another OS...

Which likely is why Linux and assorted open source apps are gaining ground?


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#7
February 5, 2016 at 20:04:43
"Which likely is why Linux and assorted open source apps are gaining ground?"

Hopefully before UEFI takes the world over....

"Channeling the spirit of jboy..."


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#8
February 5, 2016 at 22:24:08
If enough computers run the same OS they'll eventually achieve sentience and bring on Terminator days. Bill Gates saw it coming but couldn't stop it so he fled.

Or something like that.


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#9
February 6, 2016 at 05:18:44
Money.. I just cant believe its that simple, if so, they will ask usual 80$ for a new OS, as always,

http://www.ghacks.net/2015/11/11/ch...

-another way to push users away from old systems. but why Vista, which still have support till 2017??? because Vista cannot automatically update to Win10???

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#10
February 6, 2016 at 07:05:47
At the end of the day it always comes down to money, even though the details might not be obvious. For example, having to write software for many systems is more costly than just the current one. Selling apps can be a nice little earner too. Closer integration between PCs and mobiles gives opportunity for more bucks in the bank. Power makes money and so on.

If money isn't always the reason for businesses to change tactics then what is? It is called "survival" and although we happen to use money as the mechanism, we are still part of the animal kingdom.

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#11
February 6, 2016 at 07:48:29
"If enough computers run the same OS they'll eventually achieve sentience and bring on Terminator days"

Now you're talking my language! ;-)

"By 2018 Microsoft aims to have one billion devices running Windows 10 and with that comes truly global reach and insight. The world deserves to know exactly what it is signing up for…"

http://nworeport.me/2016/01/06/mass...

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#12
February 6, 2016 at 08:44:44
"The world deserves to know exactly what it is signing up for"
Fishes find that out after they get hooked.

With Windows, long term, that leaves us with the choice of running outdated systems or whatever MS have in store for us. Power is money, money is power, nothing is free. Linux and Mac are still options (although Mac isn't really a fat lot different in philosophy). Linux take-up continues to dwindle behind MS, as does everything else.

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#13
March 1, 2016 at 06:08:42
MS wants to move to a subscription model. You will not buy the OS but subscribe for a finite period of time. That way, when they no longer want to support whatever version they are running, you will be told you need to upgrade.

My understanding is that Apple already does this with their phones. When they decide to stop support, you will need to buy a new phone.

On another note, I have read that MS can, and will, remove any software that is not certified to run on Windows 10. This would include older versions of Office and many older versions of third party software. I would assume their logic is vulnerabilities in the older versions that they will no longer need to deal with.


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#14
March 1, 2016 at 06:17:48
Re #13, last line.

They've removed CCleaner already but have not removed my MS Office 2003 (yet) which is still working fine on Win 10.

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#15
March 1, 2016 at 09:30:28
are you sure about CCleaner?(great app btw.)
http://www.intowindows.com/ccleaner...

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#16
March 1, 2016 at 09:45:55
OtheHill this is sick marketing-youre not buying anymore, youre only renting-allright, but I want Iphone rent for $one hundred, not eight..

and my logic with MS is they will block all apps they dont have profit from. and this is pretty ugly-if people dont want use apps that someone from MS decided and need to pay for that, this is getting to some "communism".
people will definitely need to move to other platforms (linux?),which is difficult today


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#17
March 1, 2016 at 10:28:35
Yes 100% sure about CCleaner, otherwise wouldn't have said it. See here:
http://forum.piriform.com/?showtopi...
MS put mine in Windows.old during the upgrade. I downloaded a new copy and so far it has stayed. Whether it is likely to be removed again during a major MS update remains to be seen.

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I doubt there will be a major shift to Linux. Win 10 take up is very high and Linux still has a miniscule section of the market. Apple seem to work the same way as MS is now going and there doesn't seem to be much evidence of folk dumping Mac either.

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#18
March 1, 2016 at 10:41:57
hm link which I provide above says different - maybe u have to reinstall it after getting win10? Iam running Win7 and will not change it unless REALLY have to-theres too much troubles with 10

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#19
March 1, 2016 at 13:12:30
"hm link which I provide above says different"
You are confusing two completely different things. Your link in #15 is simply indicating that particular version was produced to work with Windows 10, which indeed it does.

My link in #17 (and my own experience) is that MS removes CCleaner during the upgrade to Win 10. What they are saying is that you don't want or need that type of program for Win 10, whether it was designed for use with Win10 or not.

EDIT: See this:
http://windowsreport.com/registry-c...
It is all over the internet in various forms - use Google and you will find it.

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#20
March 1, 2016 at 14:54:26
My guess about CCleaner is the registry module. MS probably doesn't like any registry cleaners.

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#21
March 1, 2016 at 15:05:18
OtheHill

You may well be right, although if CCleaner helps prevent snooping anywhere (such as temporariy internet files or cookies) they are unlikely to like it.

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#22
March 2, 2016 at 11:11:37
so download ccleaner which will work with windows 10, and thats it. this is what I want to say.

another conspiracy shows up, why is registry cleaning unnecesary(and causing possible troubles) in Win10, and was fine till 8.1 ???? is MS trying to hide something??


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#23
March 2, 2016 at 12:32:40
Registry cleaning has never been safe, it always has risks and can get things wrong. CCleaner happens to be one of the safest but I have definitely had it screw up a couple of programs over the years. In my opinion you have to understand the registry to use that part of it and not just do a blanket clean.

Similar advice appears on the Piriform (CCleaner) forum all the time. Registry cleaners do very little for performance anyway because most invalid entries are ignored by the system. The only folk who claim they make a real difference are those pushing that type of product.

Just for information, in the days of Windows 9x MS had their own registry cleaner (called RegClean). They eventually disbanded it because of the risks. It's this one:
http://www.majorgeeks.com/files/det...
So they are not really saying something new.

Note the bit they say about "limitations".

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#24
March 2, 2016 at 13:13:02
I remember regclean :-), this was looong time ago..
question stands why they are blocking regcleaners just now, not right after Win95(there was Win98 do I remember well?) when they stop delivering own reg clean utility because of possible risks??

to ccleaner> there is STILL backup option and its STILL asking after every cleaning attempt to backup changes you made. personally I never ever had any problems with reg cleaning, did a lot of machines, and deleting everything ccleaner ever found-thats just my experience


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#25
March 2, 2016 at 13:33:24
"why they are blocking regcleaners just now"
Hmm, ask MS. However it is probably reasonable for them to claim that in this day and age there is no longer necessity for those type or program, assuming there ever was:
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum...

"thats just my experience"
The trick is to learn from other folks experience - let them make the mistakes instead.

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#26
March 2, 2016 at 18:45:07
" "thats just my experience"
The trick is to learn from other folks experience - let them make the mistakes instead."

Which is why I still run XP......

"Channeling the spirit of jboy..."


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#27
March 3, 2016 at 04:44:13
When you run a closed system you have much less maintenance. Every app installed is a potential exploit. At least that is the MS view.

As far as compatibility with other MS products and Windows goes, I think it is just a matter of not wanting to support the older versions. After all, they made their money on them years ago.

Backward compatibility has always been an issue for MS. As users, we want it, but as the OS provider, it is lots more work.

One of the main reasons for the dismal failure of Vista was the lack of hardware support. MS demanded the hardware makers provide updated drivers that would allow older hardware to run on Vista. That didn't happen. It was a major issue for MS. They learned their lesson with Windows 7. MS provides many more GENERIC/basic, drivers for legacy hardware. Even then, folks bitch about how the printer worked in XP but not in 7. If it sounds like I am defending MS, I guess I am in a way. I understand that MS can't support versions of Windows for 10 or more years without some kind of payment.

Used to be they would rely on users upgrading for the features. Now, is there any real difference in the last 3 or 4 versions of Office? I am running 2002 under Windows 7 and it works fine, although MS claims it is not compatible.


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#28
March 3, 2016 at 04:55:12
It al comes down to time and money; and the resulting "improved" bottom line.. The"less time" involved in making "more money" - the better for the manufacturer/supplier; in this case MS...

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#29
October 4, 2016 at 14:31:22
how do you fleece a flock of sheep
bring out a new o/s ....LMFHO!

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