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Surfing the net with a modem from 1964

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Name: jackbomb
Date: May 29, 2009 at 12:04:52 Pacific
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Quite possibly the coolest video you'll see this week.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9dp...

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Response Number 1
Name: Trent M
Date: May 29, 2009 at 12:31:54 Pacific
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Now THAT is cool! It's cool how you actually put the telephone handset right over a speaker/microphone unit, making a purely analog connection. Crude, but apparently effective!

-Trent

"If at first you don't succeed, skydiving may not be for you."

-Our tour guide at Fenway Park in Boston, MA.


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Response Number 2
Name: cyoung311
Date: May 29, 2009 at 12:58:26 Pacific
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"Surfing the net" did not become possible until about 30 years after 1964! However, I was at both places... Surfing at 300 baud would be painful!


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Response Number 3
Name: Curt R
Date: May 29, 2009 at 14:57:53 Pacific
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LOL!

I've seen those before but thank goodness, never had to use one.

When I first went online, it was with a 1200 baud modem and I replaced it with a smoking fast (internal) USR 14.4 Sportster not too long afterwards.

Surfing at 300 wasn't so bad back when that was a fast connection. You know, back when everything was basically text based and there was no video streaming and such. I wouldn't want to try it now though!


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Response Number 4
Name: Mike Newcomb
Date: May 31, 2009 at 03:31:28 Pacific
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Remember using similar when first appeared.

Texas Intruments sold a briefcase containing coupler, teletype k/b and thermal printer recording messages. (no screens then).

Speed might have been 50 baud (as with telex) which is faster than one can type.

Would use a public telephone (no mobiles then) to link with mainframe.

Problem in UK then, was beeps on line every minute as call charged by time connected. To avoid message corruption (no error correction then), before making the call, one asked operator for 'beep free' connection.

Computer communications have advanced somewhat since then!

Good Luck - keep us posted.


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Response Number 5
Name: bluejay
Date: June 2, 2009 at 12:26:12 Pacific
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Back in the later 70s I worked at a company that built straping and packaging machines. I built the control panels which could contain hundreds of mechanical relays. The new technology at the time replacing the relays was a system called Gould Modicom. We used a similar type modem to contact engineering and download the programming to the system. Very unreliable as we had to abort and redo several times. That system had a 5inch b&w screen that showed the relay contacts in action.


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Response Number 6
Name: DerbyDad03
Date: June 2, 2009 at 13:22:29 Pacific
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re: "Computer communications have advanced somewhat since then!"

Back in the early 70's I used to "IM" with people from all over the world via Telex machines - basically a typewriter hooked up to landline.

We used shorthand similiar to what the kids use today, cu ltr, b4, etc. The machines even added your 3 character identifier (e.g. DML) to the transmission, similiar to how IM's add the username today.

The Coast Guard station I was at in Alaska was a "central hub" and we used to relay the news and weather to other stations by receiving pages and pages of text, cutting a paper tape (sometime hundreds of feet long) and resending the data via a paper tape reader.

This is pretty close to what we used to use:

http://www.lightstraw.co.uk/faded/m...


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Response Number 7
Name: Mike Newcomb
Date: June 2, 2009 at 23:31:16 Pacific
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Hi DerbyDad - remember first using the Teletype model pictured, as the control console for ICL Mainframe Computers.

Also used them or similar for both Telex and Telegraph communications, including the miles of Paper Tape you mention.

Long Telex messages were first produced offline on paper tape which was then sent, thus keeping time (and cost) connected to the minumum.

There were WRU (who are you) and 'Here is' Keys which requested or sent identifiers e.g.

25780 Pegasus G
(number/identity/country)

Regards - Mike


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Response Number 8
Name: cyoung311
Date: June 3, 2009 at 09:15:03 Pacific
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Mylar tape was such an improvement over paper tape; except punching it. You could wear out a BRPE real fast punching mylar tape.


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Response Number 9
Name: DerbyDad03
Date: June 3, 2009 at 13:23:20 Pacific
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re: Long Telex messages were first produced offline on paper tape which was then sent, thus keeping time (and cost) connected to the minumum.

And sometimes those tapes were produced "on-line".

In our case, we would first get a head's up message that a "relay message" was ready to be transmitted from our lead station. Once we had turned on our paper-punch we would acknowledge the head's up message and begin receiving the message, cutting a tape at the same time.

We would then relay that message by putting the tape in a reader, dialing up a few other stations and sending it out.

There were many times that we would wait until the receiving machine had punched 10 or so feet of tape and then we would stick one end in the reader of another machine and begin to send out the message while still receiving it. As long as we had enough slack in the tape things went well, but you had to keep an eye on it in case the incoming message paused or hiccupped. There was no sense resending a garbled message, but it happened every now and then.


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Response Number 10
Name: Mike Newcomb
Date: June 4, 2009 at 23:45:43 Pacific
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Hi DerbyDad - when I mention 5, 7 or 8 track paper tape now, none of the youngsters know what I am talking about.

Same goes for Punched cards.

Never having seen them, it is difficult to comprehend such.

Remember with telex/telegraph, when sending or receiving long messages if there was a glitch on the line the connection could fail and we then had to resend- bit if a nightmare!

Regards - Mike


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Response Number 11
Name: DerbyDad03
Date: June 5, 2009 at 06:33:27 Pacific
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Response Number 12
Name: DerbyDad03
Date: June 5, 2009 at 07:11:06 Pacific
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re: punch cards

I lucked out. Both of my older brothers spent hours in the college computer lab (at 2AM) writing programs on punch cards.

By the time I got to college we had one punch card machine and one assignment where we wrote a simple Fortran program just so we could "share the experience".

If I recall correctly, the lowest level of programming I ever did was for a course in Assembly Language. Stuff like this, which was written on one of those new-fangled devices - a terminal - and could even be saved on-line!


     Max  pshy        Save registers, that will be modified
* - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
     pshx        Allocate Result local variable
     pshx        Allocate Second local variable
     pshx        Allocate First local variable
* - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
     tsx            Create stack frame pointer
     ldy  Num1,X
     sty  First,X   Initialize First=Num1
     ldy  Num1,X
     mov  Second,X  Store variable
     ldy  First,X
     sty  Result,X  Guess that Result=First

Then it was on to Basic and other "high level" languages.

I've never been employed as a programmer, but I've used what I learned (and am still learning) in just about every job I've had, whether it was writing code to test a piece of hardware when I was a hardware tech or writing Excel macros to help me be more efficient at my current desk job.


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Response Number 13
Name: cyoung311
Date: June 5, 2009 at 14:57:57 Pacific
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When I was in the Air Force we had one system that you programmed in punch cards. There were 8 instructions per card and they were 8 Octal numbers in length. You wrote your assembly code on a sheet of paper, columnar of course, then looked up each instruction and converted it to octal, then punched the cards. Yikes!


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