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What's with the gold, silver, bronze rating system? When did this start?
And why is it so difficult to post a question? That annoying drop menu kept showing up. Why do we need to list system specs or OS when posting a question or comment in the Lounge?
Hey,
I rolled this out today. It just shows how active a user is on any one particular forum. If you click on the user's name, you will see how active he is on all forums.
You always have the option of leaving those fields blank. The lounge is, of course, a special case. For most forums, we want the users to enter as much information as possible.
Justin
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Well,
Its a little bit different than that. Like if your answer received votes, you get more points... And, also, posting an answer is worth a different amount of points than posting a question, etc.
Justin
P.S. Jam: you could have left the CPU/Ram blank. Only the OS needs to be filled in.
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More points to the system that is determining the medals. Right now, those points aren't visible anywhere. I suppose I could make them, but I'm not sure what everyone would think about that.
Justin
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Did I see a listing for "fixed" in the hardware forum? Thx justin. I assume the changes sort of stem from the moderators needed post? Could be interesting. Ratings? Uh oh! I'm in trouble! Lol. Thx again.
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Justin Weber: Like if your answer received votes
So now there's an incentive to hound others for votes?
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Supertrucker,
I'm not exactly sure what you mean.
Razor,
Yes! I want people to use the voting system!
Justin
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I vote we get rid of the system.
It is bad luck to be superstitious.
- Andrew W. Mathis
- Plato
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It seems to me that there are so many bells and whistles being added that the system is becoming somewhat irksome to use. Essentially one asks a question or one answers a question and that really should be all there is to it. Are any of the contributors really interested in a points system or a medal allocation... seems there may be a "First" "Second" and "Third" placing for posts soon... a bit like the Oscars maybe!
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Well said, Ewen. I answer questions asked only because I enjoy helping others as well as learning something new from it. But if the points system or a medal allocation is ever implemented, it may be my time to move on. I doubt it was Justin's idea because he told us several times in the years bygone that we will never be like Experts-Exchange. I believe BestofMedia is behind this.
i_Xp/VistaUser
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I'm just here for the.... Learning and to help others when I can.
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Hey,
Since a similar system is being installed on Tom's Hardware forums, we decided to add this system for consistency. I can't really get rid of it. I am working on making it (along with the great answer system) better though.
Justin
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I'm ambivalent about it & not surprised with the lack of enthusiasm -- expressed so far -- regarding the announcement.
With that said, I can deal with it. Moreover, you just indicated that it is inevitable. Who knows, maybe the "self-regulating" system will routinely help filter out the signal from the noise ;-)
I can only hope that it doesn't turn away too many legacy contributors in order to attract a younger & hipper crowd -- unless it's part of THG's overall agenda. IIRC, CN lost some with the transition from the old yellow to the new white page background ... we'll see how it pans out.
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That crowd doesn't have 20 or even 30 years of experience on computers. Not at the level of many posters here.
So being "hipper" is done at substantial risk to the forum itself.
But hey, if money is involved , then nothing is sacred.
It is bad luck to be superstitious.
- Andrew W. Mathis
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@ Justin:
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Yes! I want people to use the voting system!Why?
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I can't really get rid of it. I am working on making it (along with the great answer system) better though.Who decides what is a great answer?
Let's say a poster asks how to do something in Excel. The first answer offers a solution that works but is totally inefficient or perhaps has "side effects" waiting to pop up later. The OP doesn't know any better and says "Wow! That works great. I think I'll vote this as a great answer."
2 days later, another answer is posted which is actually "greater" than the 1st answer. In addition, Response # 2 points out all the flaws of the original, which, while it worked, really wasn't so "great".
Of course, by now the OP has left the discussion, thinking he received at "great answer" when in fact, he didn't.
Who fixes the voting at that point?
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Derbydad - no one fixes it. As the OP has left the discussion, and no one ever seems to use the search function any more, it is a moot point!
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Why precious metals? Why not the periodic table of elements? Elements with no stable isotopes comes to mind.
It's the trees moving that makes the wind blow
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Jon K:
It was a rhetorical question, meant to show that the rating system is useless is many cases since the people that are voting may not know if an answer is "great" or not.
However, I'm not sure that it's a moot point, since it appears that the award system is based on how many "great answers" a person posts.
In a worst case scenario, a member ends up with a Gold rating based on answering first with a lot of "not so great answers" that get rated as great since the OP doesn't know any better.
If you want my vote, get rid of both the rating and the ranking systems - and that's coming from a member who is ranked as Gold in the Excel forum, so it's not just sour grapes.
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Can I have a cookie plz? ;)
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There ya go...now get on over to the XP forum and start answering Excel questions. More there than in the Office Software forum.
Skip
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Funny I thought the office/excel posts were in general hardware ?
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Oh wait gtg work the pda forum and try for a bronze there. Oh does time on a pda count? Since 90% of my replies are on a bberry curve. I think that's a pda.
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re: now get on over to the XP forum and start answering Excel questions.
You don't really want me to do that do you? I'd expect that the only answer an Excel question in the XP forum deserves is:
Excel questions belong in the 'Office Software' forum.P.S. Thanks for the votes. I hope we don't get Justin mad, but I think we're getting our point across. It's nothing personal.
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It seems to me that very few folks are even aware of the thumbs up voting system. I have occasionally given a thumbs up vote for a response I thought was right on. That said, if you scroll through you own message list and look, I think you will find very few votes at all.
Seems as though the ratings are based primarily on post count at the present. While I can see some merit to that school of thought I also see it as a competition, which I don't think is a good idea.
While there theoretically should be a correlation between post count and quality of the help, that may not necessarily be the case.
If I were a noob visiting this site for the first time I probably wouldn't even pickup on those features. After all, they generally have difficulty even posting specs and/or posting in the appropriate forum.
If the powers that be are insistent that this feature be incorporated I guess we will learn to live with it, ignore it, or leave.
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If there's gonna be a thumbs up rating, why not a thumbs down rating to go along with it? To put it nicely, some answers are "way off the mark".
But hey, with all the politically correct crap getting rammed down our throats by the Obamanation & left-wingers in general, isn't a rating system detrimental to our fragile psyches? Afterall, some schools have stopped keeping score during games in gym class so that no one is called a winner or loser. I guess I'm gonna have to start giving thumbs up to everyone, regardless of whether their answer is right or wrong...that way we'll all be equal.
BTW, how many more questions do I have to answer in the WinME forum to go gold? LOL
EDIT: everyone involved in this thread just got a thumbs up vote from me :-)
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Maybe I should create another username...then I could ask questions under that name & answer them under this one. Woohoo, I can see the WinME gold now!
One thumb for Skip, one for me. Silver in Lounge, here I come!
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Hmm. Good idea jam! New user posts with my comp and I answer asap with my bberry! Gold here I come! So..... No cookie ?
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Or modify a bot program? Uh oh time to shut up ;).
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I am just posting to get a thumbs up from Jam.
Thanks Jam
Likely
Practice makes perfect but only if you practice perfectly!
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All kiding aside, while I do notice the ratings system it does not appear intrusive to me. I am very much into learning. Rather odd seeing how I am a 40+ year old teenager that knows everything. When I have the chance to get in here I read all the posts that I can. Even when they have nothing to do with anything I have going on. Computers to me are still neat! I can still learn new stuff everytime I come on. So when I come in and start reading I don't really notice the ratings system. I can undertstand everyones point that it may take away from the site but I feel only if you live by that system.
LikelyPractice makes perfect but only if you practice perfectly!
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Read? We're actually supposed to read the posts? Oh boy what next? Correct answers?
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"I am just posting to get a thumbs up from Jam"
How's 13 thumbs sound? And I threw a couple more at everyone else too. I think I deserve 5 more for that...lol. I smell gold!
Seriously, if it's that easy to add more thumb points, what good is it?
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You know what's worse than trying to help some of the ops on c/n? Trying to help a family member with a crashed comp when their upset that your 250mi away inroute to nj to deliver in the am and can't come running to fix it! Oh SO THEY CAN PLAY MOBSTERS! "I think they psu is toast" them-"DONT YOU HAVE ONE WITH YOU?". I need a beer! Sorry for venting. Top it off I'm in the truck running across rt17 in ny. Yep I have a spare psu in my sleeper lol. Wait ill just stop at bestbuy and buy 1,bring it up and install it tonight then drive (done around midnight) then drive 3hrs to nj! Just so she can play mobsters on myspace! Where's the beer?
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Lol up in the nickel huh jam. I "live" over by bingo.
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re: Seriously, if it's that easy to add more thumb points, what good is it?
Not only easy, but you can vote for your own answer, and do it multiple times.
If I recall correctly, I have never posted an answer that wasn't great. I better go back and vote for myself a few times.
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Binghamton?
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I run new britian ct to ramsey nj to bloomingdale and back every week (spoiled I know). Stop by binghamton to see the kids and ex (sometimes) every saturday.
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There I go clicking send twice again! Sorry justin.
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OK. I don't get over that way too much. I sometimes have to travel to Syracuse or Albany for work though...got an Albany trip scheduled for mid Aug.
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Come on guys...all these back and forth responses about driving through NY...I can hardly keep up with the "Great Answer" clicks.
<g>
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Lol derby! I know! Frequent poster miles are next!
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DerbyDad03: I can hardly keep up with the "Great Answer" clicks.
That's why you write a VBS/VBA script to do so for you.
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I want 1!
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Hey,
I left this thread for a while and look at what happened. Wow!
What do you mean you can vote more than one time? Are you talking about after waiting a bit? I know it won't let you keep reloading and clicking it. It just won't show any increment on the answer. There is a tracking system to prevent that. Of course, I'm not sure how long the cache lasts.
OtheHill,
Like I said, I am working on making it more visible (a la stackoverflow's system). Right now, I agree, it is too subtle.
As for having a thumbs down, you're right, its all about political correctness. We could add one, but I think more people would be upset about that!
Finally, you definitely don't want to post on questions on different accounts as opposed to the one answering. That won't help your score, it will actually hurt it. You get points for asking questions too, you just don't get the same amount for asking and answering.
Justin
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With this point system, sooner or later, the question is going to come up about what it really translates to. I'm sure it makes for a large e-penis but I'm not that excited about accumulating points that cannot be converted into something tangible or bartered for something else on CN ... it's like being awarded a VIP stadium pass where everyone seats in the nosebleed section. Other than showing it off to the person next to you, it's practically useless.
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Justin
re: What do you mean you can vote more than one time?
I don't know how long the cache lasts either, but it's not more than a couple of hours.
Somebody I know has voted for all the posts in this thread (including his own) several times today. Of course with 57 Great Answers to choose from, it's taking this person a long time to give everyone the credit they deserve. <g>
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lol got toi have some fun
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shhh everyone the parent person is back ;)
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DerbyDad03: it's taking this person a long time to give everyone the credit they deserve.
I said you should write a script. It took me 15 minutes, tops; five of which was spent trying to locate my IE VBScript stub.Also, file this under "Devil," and "Idle hands"
err = Main WScript.Echo "Done" WScript.Quit err Function Main Set ie = CreateObject("InternetExplorer.Application") ie.Visible = True nav = InputBox("Full address?", , "http://www.computing.net/" _ & "answers/thelounge/rating-system/337.html") If InStr(1, nav, "www.computing.net", 1) = 0 Then Main = 1 Exit Function End If ie.Navigate nav Wait ie With ie.Document .cookie = "" For Each div In .getElementsByTagName("DIV") If div.className = "great_answer" Then For Each a In div.getElementsByTagName("A") a.click Next 'a End If Next 'div End With End Function Sub Wait(ie) Do Do WScript.Sleep 200 Loop While ie.ReadyState < 4 Or ie.Busy WScript.Sleep 1000 Loop While ie.ReadyState < 4 Or ie.Busy End SubEDIT: Per jam's observation.
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"What do you mean you can vote more than one time? Are you talking about after waiting a bit? I know it won't let you keep reloading and clicking it"
Nothing to it...vote, run CCleaner, log back in to CN, vote again, repeat. It only takes a few seconds. How do you think everyone's thumb count got so high in this thread? I just continually did that to run up the numbers, plus you can vote for yourself too. I'm gonna get myself
5,6, no...make that 7 thumbs for this response....have a look.It's a flawed system.
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jam, jam, jam, don't give Justin fits. He just has a job to do now.
The thumbs up has been in effect for some time and nobody was even using it. If corporate wants the rating system let them have it. We can ignore it. If it come to pass that it causes problems then Justin can use that as a basis for change.
Personally, my bigger issue is all the noobs now coming here. I suspect that is due to a link somewhere on Tom's Hardware. All I know is we are getting more lazy posters that don't follow directions and are too lazy to review their post or use spell check.
I have a motto, God helps them that help themselves. I am passing on more and more threads because of the described deficiencies.
And some of the folks now answering those threads have no business responding.
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But if a person ran that script they might accidently vote for a response that they didn't really think was a great_answer.
I feel that it is my duty - errr -I mean that other person's duty to read (and re-read) each post prior to voting multiple times. Otherwise they would just be making a farce of the Rating System.
If the integrity of the Rating System is not upheld, there's no telling the problems it could cause. This very topic was discussed by some notable authorities recently:
Dr. Peter Venkman: This forum is headed for a disaster of biblical proportions.
Moderator: What do you mean, "biblical"?
Dr. Ray Stantz: What he means is Old Testament, Mr. Moderator, real wrath of God type stuff.
Dr. Peter Venkman: Exactly.
Dr. Ray Stantz: Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling!
Dr. Egon Spengler: Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes...
Winston Zeddemore: The dead rising from the grave!
Dr. Peter Venkman: Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!If that happens, who you gonna call?
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jam: Nothing to it...vote, run CCleaner, log back in to CN, vote again, repeat.
You know, I just gave CN the benefit of a doubt and assumed whatever validation was in place happened server-side.Now the script clears the CN cookie before voting, so you can run the script as often as you want. Downside? You'll have to sign in again. (Or not, if IE isn't your primary browser.)
DerbyDad03: If that happens, who you gonna call?
No one who thinks crossing the streams is a good idea, apparently.Also: Keep voting; I have yet to receive a medal on this board.
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Razor2.3:
You know, sometimes, when I'm all alone, and things are kind of quiet, I just sit back and try to imagine all life as I know it stopping instantaneously and every molecule in my body exploding at the speed of light.
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Hi,
Well, I guess you all found a way around my system. It is cookie based and server based. If you delete the cookie, then the server can no longer identify you. I suppose I could make it IP based. Maybe I'll look into that. Either way, the cache can't last forever. If you look at other sites like the urban dictionary, they are session based IPs. If you close the browser and reopen, you can vote again. Frankly, I'm not too concerned about it. So far, it hasn't been a problem. If I make it IP based, there would still be ways around (such as with proxies), but it would be a lot more difficult.
Thanks for the feedback!
Justin
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As amusing as this is, Justin Weber should be focusing on the demonstrated problems. Like whatever keeps people from posting on the correct board.
'Cause at the end of the day, these forum metals are meaningless. Especially if a core function of the site is perceived to be broken.
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Hey,
Mine is bronze too, click on it to see the listing of medals. I don't try to play with my rankings. Although I suppose I could :)
Seriously though, as to Razor's point, we have been trying to get people to post on the correct forums forever. I know of no silver bullet, nor have I seen one being used on other forums. Its a very difficult problem. I am open to suggestions though.
Justin
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Justin,
One thing you could do is ease up on those of us that are hard on the lazy posters that don't provide any info. I know that if myself or jam have been what is perceived to be to harsh with someone the response is removed. I think those should be left. I just 5 minutes ago gave a flippant comment to someone. Read the thread and see if you think my comment is inappropriate.
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Justin Weber: I know of no silver bullet
Well, Something Awful has managed it. Registration costs $10. Post in the wrong sub forum? You're banned and need to cough up another $10 to register again. I'm not saying CN should be a pay site. I'm just acknowledging SA is one of the few sites where your actions have financial consequences.Justin Weber: I am open to suggestions though.
First and foremost, the Ask a Question/New Topic page should default to whatever forum you came from. If I tried to make a new topic for The Lounge, I have to (1) Press the "New Topic" button, (2) Select "By Category" [this breaks if JavaScript is disabled, FYI], (3) Find the forum I was just came from in the drop down.This seems highly convoluted and completely unnecessary, especially since you can't get to a "Ask a Question" page until you visit a forum's page. I've already been forced to categorize my question before I got to the "Ask" page.
To make matters worse, your Product Name / Category selector is outside of your frameset, in the same font and size as the "Ask a Question!" header just above it. I've been looking at the page on and off for the past 5 minutes, and my eye still scans right past it. Again, this is a minor point if the page would at least default to the forum I came from.
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Razor,
To address your point of being directed to an ask question for the specific category you were on when you clicked, I just recently changed that (like in the past two weeks). Before that, the user was taken to the specific forum post page. However, I don't believe that change resulted in a large difference of miscategorized posts. Maybe it did with old members who weren't used to the new system, but that isn't as much concern to me as what it did for new members. This is also the case with the potential javascript problems you describe.
As for the coloration, I just changed that.
Justin
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Justin Weber: I don't believe that change resulted in a large difference of miscategorized posts.
That's not what I'm seeing, but that's the problem with these subjective arguments. Perhaps you need to have a, "Report thread for move" option. Then you could compile statistics, or at least get some concrete numbers.EDIT:
Justin Weber: As for the coloration, I just changed that.
Better, but try moving it inside the frameset.
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re: I don't believe that change resulted in a large difference of miscategorized posts. Maybe it did with old members who weren't used to the new system
I am not the oldest of members, but I've been around for a little while. I thought I was posting a question in The Lounge this morning and it ended up in the XP forum based on the answers I gave for the drop downs.
I guess I thought the drop downs were just "general information" questions and wouldn't direct my post to any given forum, but I now see that I was mistaken.
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I'm not weird! Well ok just a little just ask my kids lol.
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I'm gonna call Ghost Busters and get to the bottom of this, or at least eat a bowl or two of popcorn while watching the movie again!
Likely
Practice makes perfect but only if you practice perfectly!
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with lots of butter!!!
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Those drop down menus are really poor. I fought and fought to get a post on here as a new topic.
Someone ought to lose a few medals for that one.
It is bad luck to be superstitious.
- Andrew W. Mathis
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"Those drop down menus are really poor. I fought and fought to get a post on here as a new topic"
I mentioned that in the OP. Apparently they tried to make it easier & ended up making it more difficult.
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I declare the topic is now about:
- The medals
- The voting system (both how broken it is, and how easy it is to break)
- Wherever you plan to go in protest
- The trials and tribulations of being a subsidiary
- Ungrateful friends and family (No, I don't do tech support for OS X. I've never even used the damn OS before.)
- Where you live/drive
- Double posting
- Cowering in fear when Justin posts
- Ghostbusters (The good one)
- The "Ask a Question" page (and how broken it is)
- The need for reporting on misplaced threads
- Cupcakes (They're delicious)
- Anything else that will generate 18 more replies
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Up till today I've been ignoring the Kindergarted scoring system. Today without even being signed in I noticed I gave two Thumbs Up to neutral replies, without even clicking my mouse.
Signed in and the votes were still there.
So, What's the point? The numbers are relevant to nothing and, therefore a wast of time for all.
Except for a good belly laugh reading about this in the lounge.
PC has lost it's glitter so why do we still perpetuate the dishonesty. I'd rather get Feed Back, negative or positive right in my face so I can learn something from being in error. If I needed my EGO stroked I wouldn't be sticking my neck out by taking a chance of being Wrong on a public Forum.
There is nothing to learn from someone who already agrees with you.
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Did anybody else notice that nobody has voted for any posts since Response # 68?
Either that was the last Great Post or, alas, the thrill is gone.
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Hey,
I have now changed the voting system so that it tracks IP. It'll take much more time to mess with it now. I think its not too big of a deal anymore. A voting system, properly used, could be very helpful for all the people who come to the site through google and end up directly on a thread. It will allow them to see which answers people thought were the most helpful, and which really weren't. Sure, there are downsides, but I don't think they are that bad.
I agree that the "Ask a Question" page is more confusing now to new members. However, in just a random watching of the forum after I implemented the newer system, I think I have seen less mis-categorized posts. The reason for this is clear: Most people posting by product never even are given the option to post in unrelated categories. For example, the programming forum used to get a lot of posts totally unrelated to programming. They were related to a "program" instead. With the new system, users never can get confused in that manner. What I will do is change it so that when you click "new topic" on a forum thread listing page, it will take you to that forum's specific new topic form. I think that will solve a lot of issues the regulars are having.
Justin
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Justin,
You're obviously not on the same web site as the rest of us.
I just tried starting a new topic in the Lounge and here is what I got:
Please enter the name of the specific product you are asking a question about. Computing.Net maintains a database to assist you with this task. Simply type in the box and you will be offered suggestions.
Product:I typed in my topic and it wanted me to use a preselected topic and subject. Then product.
This is crap and you should know better by now.
It is bad luck to be superstitious.
- Andrew W. Mathis
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Hey,
I have no idea what you are talking about (assuming you tried this just now). If you are on the main lounge page (http://www.computing.net/forum/thelounge/1.html) and click the "New Topic" button, you should be taken to the page to directly post on the lounge. Assuming you actually select a subcategory, you will be able to post without asking for your product.
Justin
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OK, that works, but not if you go to the little New Topic button at the top of the page. It takes you to: http://www.computing.net/askquestion
Not the new topic for the lounge. Now how the hell am I supposed to know that I have to go to the Lounge home page just to start a new topic when the little button says "New Topic"?
It is bad luck to be superstitious.
- Andrew W. Mathis
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Justin Weber: I think I have seen less mis-categorized posts.
I still think we need a method to report misplaced threads. Perhaps we could also recommend the destination, as well.Justin Weber: Most people posting by product never even are given the option to post in unrelated categories.
I know what you're saying, but all I'm hearing is, "dump them in one of the general forums, and let the Law of Large Numbers sort 'em out." Perhaps I'm not giving the one-time posters enough credit. (Send your responses to Razor2.3@ICan'tComeUpWithABetterJoke.com)Justin Weber: What I will do is change it...
Well, no one can say you're not listening. This compromise between old and new behavior is for the best, I think.Something still needs to be done about the metal system, though. Maybe some sort of "point decay," where you loose X points a day. Or maybe extend the non-active topics idea into the metal system, where inactive topics no longer contribute to your point total.
EDIT:
seawatch1: Now how the hell am I supposed to know that I have to go to the Lounge home page just to start a new topic when the little button says "New Topic"?
It's how most forum systems work. Really, if you're just smacking the first button you see, you probably should be dumped into one of the general boards.
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The button for a new topic is at the top of the Lounge forum.
Why in the world would I think I have to go to the Lounge home page just to post a topic in the forum I'm in?
If that's the way all forums work, the ALL forums should be laid out better.
Just because everyone does something stupid doesn't mean the the rest of the world should do something stupid too.
It is bad luck to be superstitious.
- Andrew W. Mathis
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Perhaps I'm not giving the one-time posters enough credit.
No, I think you are giving them too much credit! It always astounds me how many people can't tell the difference between a question about computer programming and a computer program (like how the posts end up in the programming forum). That is why I never thought twice about taking away some choice. People were too careless.Maybe some sort of "point decay," where you loose X points a day.
I'm OK with that if the other users are. However, the counter argument is why, just because someone hasn't come to the forum in a while, has he necessarily lost all the previous knowledge he built up to get that medal. In fact, the original idea for this system included a point decay, but I decided to take it out.Justin
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seawatch1,
Yeah, I suppose you are right. I have changed the in post "New Topic" icons back to going to a specific forum, as well.
Justin
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Thank you.
I'll click on your medal icon five times now. :)
It is bad luck to be superstitious.
- Andrew W. Mathis
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I think most new posters can't be bothered or are just too lazy to look at the selections menu on the right so that they post in the proper area. The forum opens at XP and that is where they post regardless.
Other forums "block" the category selections horizontally and the poster has to scroll down to find the right one... some of them have a warning at the top for posters to post correctly.
I must admit that of late everything gets lumped into the XP general forum and quite candidly some of the posts are appalling. I enjoy coming here and I always learn something and usually from the old regulars but it really is becoming a pain in the neck sorting out the good from the bad based on the "Subject" line. I mean who opens a post headed "XP Help" or "Periton hrrive."?
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re: A voting system, properly used, could be very helpful for all the people who come to the site through google and end up directly on a thread. It will allow them to see which answers people thought were the most helpful, and which really weren't.
There's 2 major assumptions being made here:
1 - The voting system is properly used.
2 - People coming in through Google are aware of what the number next to thumbs up mean.I either participate in, browse or end up in (via Google) a number of forums on a variety of subjects. I honestly couldn't tell you which ones have voting enabled and which ones don't because I don't based my opinion of an answer on whether others have voted for it or not.
In most cases you can follow a thread and determine for yourself which are the good answers and which are not - not only by how you yourself feel about them, but also based on the comments made by others - not their votes, their words.
As I mentioned earlier in this thread, a "Great Answer" vote from a newbie who really doesn't have a clue isn't worth anywhere near as much as the words in an answer from an expert.
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Hey, I was just over at the Tom's Hardware forum (also by Best of Media) & they have both a thumbs-up AND a thumbs-down icon. What's good for the goose should be good for the gander.
There has been a lot of bad advice given out lately, obviously not by the legacy members, but by some of newbs who have no business answering questions in the 1st place. Since making derogatory comments about someone's computing IQ is frowned upon (how many times have I been "counseled" about it?), we should at least have the option to give a negative vote so that other newbs will think twice about taking the bad advice.
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For sure; answers like
"Get a new cooling fan for your CPU and while you are at it get a new Mainboard because you have probably damaged the CPU by letting it over heat."
do no good whatsoever. At best, this sort of help is confusing and at worst the OP just might go out and spend hard earned money following that "advice".
A thumbs down helps to notify readers of bad advice and may discourage some of these responses.
Skip
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The thumb is only the second most popular digit to extend in the upward position, perhaps there is an alternative.
It's the trees moving that makes the wind blow
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I wanted to be the one to post Response Number 100. Do I get a medal for that?
i_Xp/VistaUser
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Sabbas: The thumb is only the second most popular digit to extend in the upward position
What would we call 'em? Prick Points?And anyone else notice the biggest topic on CN is complaining about CN?
Damn you, XpUser
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Justin,
If you do implement the piledriver move, it'd be nice to make it collapsible once it get "x" amount of negative votes. That way, people only get to read it, if they choose to ... saves time & some clutter.
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Razor: What would we call 'em? Prick Points?
I think "procreation points" would be more definitive. Specifically a-sexual; Relating to, produced by, or involving reproduction that occurs without the union of male and female gametes, as in binary fission or budding.
It's the trees moving that makes the wind blow
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Hey,
If you guys want a thumbs down option, I will be more than happy to add it. I thought there would be resistance to that. Like I said, I am changing the design of the thumbs up to make it more visible. Adding a thumbs down at the same time won't be all that hard.
However, if people don't want it, let me know here as well.
Justin
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I give the finger to the inverted digit.
Politely of course.
The illegal we do immediately. The unconstitutional takes a little longer.
- Henry Kissinger
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re: "I don't believe in procreation."
You should try it, you might like it:
pro·cre·ate (prkr-t)
v. pro·cre·at·ed, pro·cre·at·ing, pro·cre·ates
v.tr.
1. To beget and conceive (offspring).
2. To produce or create; originate.
v.intr.
To beget and conceive offspring; reproduce.It's the trees moving that makes the wind blow
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DerbyDad03: I don't believe in procreation.
There's a joke here (at your expense), but even I will not sink that low.
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OTH,
I'd vote for that!
The illegal we do immediately. The unconstitutional takes a little longer.
- Henry Kissinger
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Oh dear, I've only just spotted this post.
I hoped this forum would never lower itself by embarking on point scoring but remain as a band of folk simply dedicated to helping others.
This could be the final nail in the coffin which "really" keeps me away. Did I hear cheering LOL?
some other bloke...
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Vote Up, Vote Down and Report Offensive Arrows:
The word "clownish" comes to mind.
The Up-Downs don't need to be so big and in our face.
Why not leave them all in the blue bar or put them unobtrusively in a corner someplace.
computing.net should be about the words in the responses, not about garish decorations and rating systems.
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I think the new look works fine but I'd put an exclamation mark in the yellow triangle and shift it further right.
That said, generally we have such short threads (with this one being a notable exception!) that I think a "best" answer is often an "only" answer
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re: I think a "best" answer is often an "only" answer
Unfortunatley, best does not always equate to great, which is supposedly what we are voting for.
A lousy answer, if it is the only answer, could still be considered the "best" since there is nothing to compare it to.
It could, however, actually be the worst answer, depending on how you look at it.
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computing.net should be about the words in the responses, not about garish decorations and rating systems.
I completely agree with the above declaration!!
Justin - you really do need to undo the change you
recently made!! It is too distractive for me to even try to read post. I don't think you know what you are doing - you are accelerating the exodus of the few remaining long time contributors (many have left already).i_Xp/VistaUser
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XPUser
I think Justin doesn't have much choice in the matter other than providing feedback to the people he now answers to. That is the way things go in this business.
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Hey,
I have made the up and down arrows a little narrower and moved the report offensive icon to the right (and also put an exclamation point in it). You might have to hold down control and hit F5 to do a full reload to see the changes.
Justin
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OTH
I'm assuming that the "people he now answers to" don't really care if the Thumbs Up/Thumbs Down icons are big blue arrows in the response field or unobtrusive icons in the blue bar that contains the date and time. Granted, that could be a bad assumption, but until I'm told differently, that's my assumption.
So, if Justin is being forced to implement a voting system, then I'd like to see it nestled neatly up in the corner where the Thumbs Up icon used to be. The Thumbs Up icon was intuitive - just about everyone - globally - knows what the Thumbs Up and Thumbs Down icons mean. The "Vote as a great answer" hovering text made the icon's meaning unquestionable.
Big blue arrows, with Vote Up!/Vote Down! hovering text really don't tell the user what they are for.
Vote Up! - Does that mean if I click the Up arrow the response will move up in the order of responses? No wait, all it did was change that number in between the 2 arrows. Hmm...I wonder what that's for...
I (and others) have already voiced our opinions on the voting system, but since it appears to be expanding instead of going away, the least I can hope for is that it doesn't take up so much real estate and be so "in my face".
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Derby, I see your point. As far as the rating system goes Justin stated somewhere above that he didn't have the option to not use it. Look at #17 above.
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OTH,
Yes, I am aware that Justin is just doing his job - and a d*mn good job at that!
But your suggestion to look at Response 17 proved my point even better.
As I was using the scroll wheel on my mouse to rapidily scroll up through the thread, guess which numbers kept grabbing my eyes?
The voting numbers are smack dab in the middle of the frame, bracketed by bright blue arrows and are of a larger font than the font used for the response numbers. They pop right out at you, while your eyes have to search for the response numbers.
Does that perhaps indicate that the voting system is more important than the responses themselves?
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"I think Justin doesn't have much choice in the matter other than providing feedback to the people he now answers to. That is the way things go in this business."
Welcome to mid-level management! The arrows should definitely be at the top. It would give the illusion of looking out of the windshield of a 57 Pontiac Chieftain. Of is it Cheftain? Whatever.It's the trees moving that makes the wind blow
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Justin
I notice that if you hover over the metal bullets there is no descriptor showing like there is on the amber triangle and the up/dn arrows.
IMO I think the meaning of that symbol would be more useful to a noob than the up/dn arrows or the report offensive icon.
I'm not thrilled with the triangles as they are currently placed. I think the metal bullets should be smaller and placed next to the user name so they is a relationship between the symbol and the information given to the OP.
Then the up/dn arrows could be where the metal bullets are currently located. I think the thumbs up/dn is better than the arrows too.
I understand being politically correct. That said i can still remember then I was a noob. Everyone that seemed to know anything about computers was a resource. Got lots of bad info that way. There are a few active responders here that probably shouldn't be responding. A high thumbs down count on their responses should send a message to the OP.
If the folks that come here are savvy enough to figure out the system then they will place more stock in an answer from an expert as opposed to someone else.
BTW, this thread must be approaching or surpassing the response record. Should indicate the interest us regulars have in the format of this board. I am sure you already know that the heart of any forum is the quality of the responses.
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Hi,
The problem with the previous "great answer" was that it was so unobtrusive that no one ever used it. I am trying this out to make it more visible. Sure, it is more in your face, but I want it that way. That seems to be the only way to get new people to use it.
As for "Vote Up!/Down!" mouse over, I can change that. What do you suggest will make it clearer? Good Answer/Bad Answer?
Justin
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Justin -
Why not create a small icon called Rate this Post and place it to the left in the post lower end in the same manner you did for the Offensive post?
i_Xp/VistaUser
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Justin
As per #130, I disagree with your goal. I DON'T think we want to encourage new users to vote on the merits of a response. To put it bluntly, what do they know?
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The "number of posts" is of dubious value and has no bearing on quality:-
For those of us who remember folk like WhitPhil, he didn't post very frequently but when he did they were little gems. It didn't take posters and helpers long to realise that he was someone who was knowledgeable and worth listening to, yet we had no marking system at all.
Sure, we have helpers who give quality answers and post frequently. Unfortunately there will always be the odd responder who is prolific but a tad misguided.
There are others who can see that a poster is not understanding a situation and therefore offer a useful explanation, rather than a fix for the problem itself. Presumably they will fall by the wayside, despite offering a valued input of long term benefit to a poster.
some other bloke...
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Hi,
Yes, I realize that. That is why, hopefully, the voting system will help even the score somewhat. I mean, users could always tell how active another user was by clicking on his/her name. There you can see all the posts.
Justin
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Re #136 & 137
OK Justin, put it down to a personal thing - one reason I always liked this forum was that it wasn't some sort of competitive ego trip. Maybe it will shake out better when the final tweaks are applied.
Some minor points:-
When scrolling for a particular response number I get a bit distracted by the additional rating number. Perhaps it would be better aligned towards the bottom left.I noticed fairly recently that we have started getting far more XP posts in W95/98 (rather like the old days when it was called Windows 9x). I think that posters have been getting confused with the new selection process. I've not rechecked the selection format so maybe you have now done some tweaking which has resolved this problem.
some other bloke...
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re: Response 139: When scrolling for a particular response number I get a bit distracted by the additional rating number.
re: Response 127 (mine): As I was using the scroll wheel on my mouse to rapidily scroll up through the thread, guess which numbers kept grabbing my eyes?
That's 2 Thumbs Down, for the same reason, regarding the placement of the rating numbers and how they impact the main use of these forums, specifically: looking for answers in the text of the posts.
Justin,
Please, please (I don't want to beg) please make the rating system less obtrusive.
If I promise to use it, for your sake, will that help?
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Justin,
Could you at least make the up & down buttons more appealing? Something like an oval button with a + & - designation seems far more intuitive & desirable than the current two-arrow format. You could even make one green & the other red & still have them straddle the vote count index ... but get rid of those hideous blue arrows.
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Ah, and here I was afraid the longest topic on CN was winding down.
I'm not sure about the voting system placement. It needs to be separated from the body of the post somehow, like the DIV's background should be a light shade of gray, or something.
Also: Non-transparent GIFs? It's more likely than you think!
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There is a dinky little triangle for the Offensive Post... why cant the blue triangles be the same size. Quite candidly I think the triangles as they are detract from the post and are intrusive.
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Justin
Here is some more critiquing. All the above responses that have any votes all have a minus sign in front of them.
Is that actually a minus sign, or a hyphen? If the latter you should remove it because it appears as a negative number.
If it is simply a counter then I assume a positive answer and a negative answer will cancel out each other. If that is how it is working then it needs changing too.
If we ARE going to keep score then the tally needs to be kept for each category.
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I just visited the site using IE8, where I haven't logged in and thus no cookie to say I have, and noticed the Bold As Brass Rating Arrows (BABRA's for short), and was surprised to see I could cast a vote as an anonymous visitor.
I then opened Opera (where I usually visit from) and was able to cast a vote again.
I then visited anonymously via online proxy server and was again able to cast a vote (but didn't).
My concern isn't that multiple votes can be cast but rather any TOM, Dick or Harry is able to vote.
Is it by design that <edit>random</edit> visitors (i.e. non-members) have the ability to vote?
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OtH,
That is actually a negative sign. I voted your post "down" as an example.
Feel free to vote it back up and I will do so again later so that you are on the positive side of the ledger.
I wouldn't want to hurt your ranking in the Lounge just to show how the voting system works. <g>
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OK, then the system is useless because the negative responses need to show as an actual number as well as positive do too.
This is getting ridiculous. I am getting aggravated with this whole rating thing now.
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You finally see it! Poor Justin - he's helpless and have to do what his French Boss dictate.
i_Xp/VistaUser
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XP, I still think that is the issue. That said, I do think Justin can apply the feature, if you can call it that, as he sees fit.
This is all jam's fault for asking, LOL.
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jon_k
Good? Well they are quite pretty and don't bother me a lot, so that's quite close to "good".I'd just prefer that the rating stuff was moved a bit further away from the Response Number or even made some other color. Scrolling for Response Numbers now makes my head spin and it seems others have the same issue.
some other bloke...
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Yeah Derek...this is one change I'm having problems getting used to.
Anyway, I think Justin is doing his best to get it "out of our face" and keep the "powers that be" happy.
Skip
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SkipCox
Yes, I can see that this is a balancing act and some experimentation is bound to be necessary before the wheels turn nicely.
I do sympathise with Justin's plight. It's quite likely that he sympathises with some of the points being made but can't do a fat lot about it.
some other bloke...
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Justin,
If you insist on using this rating system, please do it right. Screw the politically correct crap. Dump the blue triangles & put thumbs-up / thumbs-down icons in the upper right corner such as Tom's Hardware uses, but have a separate count for each. Canceling out a vote defeats the purpose. And how about putting the "member medal" icon next to the user name?
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I have spent some time this morning going through a stack of posts and replies and no-one but NO-ONE has bothered to use the vote system... it is all superfluous but I guess we'll have to put up with it!
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Oh good lord!! Enough already!!! Rating system no rating system. Beating the system whatever!!!
I stumbled across this forum by accident some years ago while attempting to diagnose a problem I was having. I very quickly realized I could search my problem on this site without having to actually ask the question and being embarressed about how little I knew about computers. When I could not find a response to someone elses question that worked for me then and only then would I post. Now I have noticed that this is rarely done. Along the way I have picked up a little and actually started attempting to help as well when I thought I could. I enjoy coming here and learning a bit or helping someone else and no blooming rating system is going to change that. I have noticed some that where here and appeared knowledgable when I first started no longer appear to be posting. Is this because of Political Correctness? Due to the site changing? A falling out with Justin? I have no clue but even with the (in my opinion) unneeded rating system I will keep coming as I don't really see any better sites. Yeah there are a lot of Q an A sites to go to but are any of them any better?
jam, SkipCox, OtheHill, XpUser I single you guys out because you have responded to this thread. All of you and many more have helped me to no end many times over the past years and I thank you. If something like this rating system is going to make you leave I understand. But I will miss you guys. I don't know it all yet even though I would like to think I do.
Likely
Practice makes perfect but only if you practice perfectly!
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Here's a good one...
I posted some code in response to an Excel question.
The OP said: Thanks Derby, Thumbs up! for your code.
The rating at the bottom of the response is currently -1.
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Is that a thumbs up in upside down world, where pigs fly and Lucy is in the sky with diamonds?
Goo Goo GaJoob
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I'm not a fan of the voting system either especially the minus part where someone could go in a forum and start minusing peoples post for no reason what so ever. I've seen this miss-use of voting done a few times since the minus voting was put in place, when posters shouldn't have gotten minuses at all for their comment, which can be very misleading to the avg reader.
I also notice you can vote on your own post which really doesn't make sense either and can be misleading.
The only thing I fear with all these new things being put in this place is that this forum will start to become gimmicky like many forums have gotten over the years with a bunch of useless stuff that's more about eye-candy than for a legit purpose.
Iron Sharpens Iron.
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Those metallic ratings are the closest I'll ever come to Olympic glory...that and my ninth-place certificate for breadmaking from kiddie summer camp. Yes, they make ninth-place ribbons...they got'em all the way up to 10th...
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What color was that 9th place ribbon...think I got one for growing carrots in the 2nd grade in 1957.
Ford got one for the Edsel in '58 too...we did good huh?
Skip
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And I thought I sucked!!! LOL
I got a second place trophy at age nine back in the mid 70's for a basketball tournement. They gave out trophys by age there were only three nine year olds there. At least I did better than the Edsel lol.Likely
Practice makes perfect but only if you practice perfectly!
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Just curious. What's the goal here? With this thread? 300 responses by Christmas?
Practice makes perfect but only if you practice perfectly!
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likelystory: What's the goal here?
Originally, it was to complain about the new rating system. Then it was to get the thread to 100. With that goal accomplished, I don't know. It's just sort of dying.
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What Moderator Star? I thought Justin called it Sheriff Star (don't the sheriff wear 10-gallon hat and draw their gun at you like THIS?
).i_Xp/VistaUser
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Badges? We ain't got no badges. We don't need no badges! I don't have to show you any stinking badges!!!
It's the trees moving that makes the wind blow
-1
Not to complain about the rating system, more just poking fun really. This whole thing seems political to me. So can I buy votes? Hey if all the wealthier politicians can do it why can't I? Oh and this gets us a little further in this thread too.
Likely
Practice makes perfect but only if you practice perfectly!
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That's weird. I just tried to see how far I could rate folk (+ or -) and it only went to 1 in each case - see 169 & 170. I guess they build up or something.
Err, it's OK Sabbas just give me as many minuses as you can muster....
EDIT. This is great fun. I just gave my own post +1. What a great idea - remind me to put 1 on all my future resonses LOL.
some other bloke...
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Here's another laugh. When you waive the mouse over our names every one I tried showed:
Member since: February 9, 2008.
I haven't waded through all those posts so perhaps that is also explained away somewhere.
EDIT: I thought this post was a bit negative so I gave myself -1.
It kinda helps to pass the time on a wet evening.some other bloke...
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Yeah, everything only went back about a year and a half.
Maybe you can sneak in and change it to 2001?
Skip
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"Err, it's OK Sabbas just give me as many minuses as you can muster...."
Derek,
To avoid complacency I gave you a plus and myself a minus. Is there a medallion for the most negative votes? I want one.
It's the trees moving that makes the wind blow
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Just this morning I was reviewing a thread and someone seemed to compliment a response. Yet there was no plus votes. I don't think folks know what those arrows are for. I know Justin has been told this. I personally think it should have a number for the yes and a number for the no. At least that way you have something to gauge by.
Yes there are some deputies now. The star only replaces the shield in the forum/s they mod. I am a mod in hardware, that is how I know.
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Sabbas
I think I've found the very thing:
http://www.izzys-party-shop.com/584...Of-course, being negative votes you would have to buy your own but I think that translates to only 50 cents a throw. As a consolation it still makes you a winner, is gold in color and has a pretty ribbon.
some other bloke...
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Heck with the gold medal, I'm going with the jumping beans.
It's the trees moving that makes the wind blow
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O'tH,
The problem with the arrows is that they are the wrong way around.
Left for positive and right for negative. Wrong.
Left to Right.
Lower to higher.
A to Z.
The speedometer on a vehicle:
Slow to fast.
Negative to positive.Make it even easier still.
Red for negative and Green for positive.
I'm sure that's universal, and a couple of colours that might brighten the place up a bit.
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I'm a hypocrite,
I still like the old computing.net layout. Plain old yellow.
I guess I'm old. Hmph.
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"Red for negative and Green for positive.
What if you're red/green color blind?"lol
Discrimination?
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re: Left for positive and right for negative. Wrong.
Let's keep politics out of this discussion.
re: The speedometer on a vehicle: Slow to fast.
Mine's digital.
re: Red for negative and Green for positive
Red has been unduly discriminated against for far too long. Why does Red always have to be the bad guy? We need to help Red build up it's self esteem by letting it be positive for a little while. Green gets all the glory and it's not fair.
Even when Green's not around, Red gets slammed. "The budget's in the Red". "Better dead than Red". "That article is nothing but a Red Herring."
Come on folks...who's with me? Let's stand up for Red and defend it's honor.
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Funnily enough I thought exactly the same as btk1w1 about arrow placement (#181) and now its been said.
However, I just loved the alternative view from DerbyDad03.
1 point to both LOL.
some other bloke...
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I don't know I kind of like "Red" Heads!!!!!
Only nne more posts to reach 200.
Likely
Practice makes perfect but only if you practice perfectly!
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So, who's lurking in the shadows waiting to post #200? Will a new designation be created? Perhaps a gold (lounge) lizard?
It's the trees moving that makes the wind blow
-1
Member Since: February 9, 2008 Pacific
Last Active: Over a Week Ago
Last Posted On: August 2, 2004 PacificOut of curiosity, how is the last active stamp actuated, member login or member revisit via an active cookie or thread posting?
From time-to-time, I see similar stats as above & I got to thinking that perhaps some of the legacy folks that used to post regularly on here are just on a long sabbatical after all, as opposed to a self-imposed exile .... maybe the recent changes to the site will bring them back into the fold.
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The Feb. 2009 date is when there was an update in the servers and some data was lost. Somehow the post count was retained but other info was lost in the transition. At least that is how I remember it. Could be wrong, I am OtheHill after all, LOL.
Many members bailed when the site was sold.
-1
"The Feb. 2009 date is when there was an update in the servers and some data was lost."
Fortunately the humor content was retained.
It's the trees moving that makes the wind blow
-1
"The Feb. 2009 date is when there was an update in the servers and some data was lost. Somehow the post count was retained but other info was lost in the transition."
In that case, it would be appropriate to lose the "Member Since:" part, since the stamp couldn't be any further from the truth. Moreover, it's gotta be confusing to new members, how someone's last post was on August 2, 2004, when it appears they've only been a member since February 9, 2008. And IMO, if the Feb. 9, 2008 has to be there, then let its purpose reflect accurately.
-1
Careful guys and gals...
It may no longer be appropriate to call this the "longest thread ever" if the content migrates from the original subject - the rating system.
It appears that we are now discussing the accuracy of the "Member Since" and "Last Post" stats.
Sure the thread gets longer, but is that really true to the spirit of the "longest thread"?
Start a new thread in the XP or Office or "insert forum name here" forum, let posters keep asking new "unrelated to the original question" questions - and getting responses - and any thread could easily become longer than this one.
If we want to discuss the accuracy of the "Member Since" and "Last Post" stats, perhaps a new thread should be started with a relevant subject line.
Otherwise we may have to put an * in the record book when we call the "Rating System" thread "The Longest Thread Ever."
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OK, I STILL don't like the rating system or the blue arrows. As I said in response #96, why not use thumbs like the Tom's Hardware forum (also by Best of Media)?? And they're also red & green to make it a little more obvious to the clueless which is useless & which is useful.
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I think it should be changed. Instead of the little arrows we have one that says " Cool It worked" and one that says "This Bites". I think more would be tempted to use it. I don't see it being anymore accurit though.
Likely
Practice makes perfect but only if you practice perfectly!
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Oops, my bad! I agree & just for that, I'm going to decorate 202 with a nice -1 ... gotta love the beauty of this rating system. Me rate me self good if I like or bad if me dislike me alter ego :-)
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I dunno, I picked up a bronze nugget and my sole contribution has been nothing more than a series of smart ( | ) remarks. At least some of my talents had been recognized.
It's the trees moving that makes the wind blow
-1
I suppose this has already been said somewhere (no I'm not going back through that lot):-
Wouldn't the rating make sense (assuming we 'must' have it) if only the original poster was allowed to award marks to his/her question? I didn't start this post yet I've been able to award + or - marks all over the place.
Remember the good old Computing.Net days folks......
some other bloke...
-1
I remember. For some reason, I saved this old post and wrote it to a cd...
http://www.computing.net/answers/wi...
Skip
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"I didn't start this post yet I've been able to award + or - marks all over the place."
You must have been a
wiseguycowbird in your past life :-)The problem with prohibiting anyone but the OP from rating a response is that it assumes the OP is inclined or obligated to always use good judgment when rating a response, which in reality is probably unlikely. Most of the time, the OP never gives a feedback. Furthermore, what is to stop an OP from "negging" an arguably good response simply because they "personally" do not like or care for it? On the other hand, I know, nothing stops the casual responders from equally doing the same thing to any response, but the mob is not one person.
If I had my druthers, I say we let the mob handle the rating & not just the OP, but Justin needs to make it impossible for responders to vote on their own response or just allow them to vote their own response negative but not otherwise.
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Derek
The original poster many times doesn't have a clue if an answer is good or bad.
I like the thumbs up we had for a bit. I also think the count for each should be displayed. That would show how much interest there was in the thread and any particular answer.
Even a newcomer could take note that others either think a responder knows what they are talking about or not but looking at the positive and negative responses.
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re: Even a newcomer could take note that others either think a responder knows what they are talking about
Only if the responder was not allowed to vote positive for their own posts and (more importantly) only if a member was only allowed to vote once for any given response.
Other than that, the accuracy of the voting system is highly suspect.
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OtheHill
I get your drift (line 1) but think it unlikely that that helpers will want to drift around these parts allocating marks to their colleagues. Kinda detracts from the purpose of them being here.SkipCox
Aha, nostalgia. As far as I know this was my first post, asking for help under my school name of 'Prof', which I dropped when another Prof came along.
http://www.computing.net/windows95/...some other bloke...
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Derek
I disagree about helpers rating others. For the last couple of weeks I have been rating answers here.
I am not necessarily trolling for right or wrong answers. Simply reading a post to see if I can contribute anything helpful. In the process I do read previous responses and rate them. Trouble is that sometimes I am giving a positive response to a reply that IMO is good but had a -1or-2 already.
I think it is up to us regulars to respond with good or bad votes.
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OtheHill
Fine, lets agree to disagree on that one. I don't like point scoring one bit and am not about to start.some other bloke...
-1
Well it appears here to stay because the power that be say so.
What is the difference between your reinforcing a response above yours or simply voting yes?
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I don't hang about on this site like I used to - just drift into odd posts when I think there's something worth adding, then drift off.
I know its all done and dusted but it makes recall an old saying:
"What is the problem to which this is a solution?".some other bloke...
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just drift into odd posts...
And there are certainly some odd posts at this site.
...then drift off.
I do that quite often myself.
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Geez Prof, that was a couple days before my 50th birthday.
"I think it is up to us regulars to respond with good or bad votes."
Exactly OtH...only thing that really pisses me off about this voting thing is seeing a good valid response marked by a negative vote. I haven't noticed the opposite yet.
Skip
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Derby
I agree about the negative votes. I am just guessing but I think those may be coming from users trying to scroll, as was mentioned somewhere above. That is why I agree with jam about changing the icon for voting. Additionally I can't stress enough the importance of a total vote count as opposed to what we currently have.
As it is 50 people could voice an opinion on a response and the number could still be zero.
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SkipCox
And that reminds me of the film "High Society", from Bing to Frankie, quote:
"You must be one of the newer fellas"some other bloke...
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Hey fellas let's keep up with this thread ... I'd like to reserve my spot for the 300th post. Do we have a deal?
i_Xp/VistaUser
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I responded to a post in the hardware forum recently & I know I gave the correct answer. I returned later to see I'd been given a -1. I asked the OP why & he said my answer wasn't helpful because he didn't understand what I meant.
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Now that's good solid reasoning!
And, another reason we need to reinforce good answers when we run across 'em with a Good Answer! vote.
Skip
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jam,
At least he was honest about it. He could have denied the neg & you'd probably never know for sure. Your observation was what I was alluding to in 210. On the flipside, you could have canceled his neg with a positive, but who really cares about ratings anyway.
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I've just seen a post with only one response, which was very reasonable. This response has been given a negative rating. What a farce.
some other bloke...
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Razor
It's this one:
http://www.computing.net/answers/wi...EDIT: It see "ewen" has suggested that folk might be thinking the arrows point to the next post. Highly likely, anything is possible....
some other bloke...
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re: he said my answer wasn't helpful because he didn't understand what I meant.
There was no voting in the case I just ran across, but an OP was offered 2 links that offered solutions to his question. His response was:
The first link made no sense at all but the 2nd link was written by someone who knows his beans.
What he doesn't realize is that the first link was a perfect solution to his question and written by one of the premier experts in Excel, an expert that is quoted and referenced in Excel forums all across the net.
That is a perfect example of why we shouldn't let the OP be the only one who is allowed to vote (as suggested by some).
If the OP doesn't understand the answer, they shouldn't be allowed to negatize it, without the ability for others to "fix it". Unfortunately, the farce in the system is that one person could reverse the negative vote 10 fold or more by voting more than once.
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Ok I am some what getting into this now. It has only taken how many posts?
I mean no disrespect to Justin or anyone else but it would appear to me that this voting system does not work the way it was intended. What I am having the hardest time wrapping my head around is in my opinion the posts have to be rated by one person or a small group of persons. Not by all of us. I have been coming here since some time in 1999 but comapred to many here I am still very inexperienced when it comes to computers and yet I can give a vote to all. As long as that haappens the system will never really be that acurit. At least I don't think so.
Likely
Practice makes perfect but only if you practice perfectly!
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Likely,
I gave you a plus and myself a minus which means that I agree with what you said but not with what I did. This whole thread is making me bi-polar.
It's the trees moving that makes the wind blow
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"Longest Thread Ever" Fallout:
One of my machines at home, which is running FireFox, continually gives me the following message, more or less, whenever I try to open this thread:
"A script on this page is running slow. If you allow it to continue, FireFox may become unresponsive. Stop Script...Continue"
It only happens when I open this thread, no other.
If I click Continue, the page finishes loading. If I click Stop, the page will load but as I work the page, e.g. preview a response, the formatting on the page becomes screwed up, with font sizes changing, ads not being positioned correctly, etc.
It appears that whatever script is used to layout the page is, in FireFox's opinion, taking too long and FireFox starts b*itching about it.
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Clear out some of your older threads. And clear your browser cache. Ccleaner is good for that.
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Perhaps any thread over the 100 mark should be inverted?
It's the trees moving that makes the wind blow
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Inverting the thread wouldn't help my situation since it would still load all 142,678 responses which is what I am assuming is slowing the script down.
I'll run ccleaner. It's been a while since I've done that anyway.
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It's worth remembering that a lot of what makes a response "good" is that it's tailored to the person who asks the question ie. pitched at their level.
What appears to be a perfectly reasonable answer to some experts on here may be totally incomprehensible to the OP.
In my eyes this should be marked as -1 or lower. Back in the days when I worked in tech support, I always considered a call a failure if I had to end up dialling in and fixing someone's problem for them: it meant I couldn't communicate in terms simple enough for the end user to understand.
Far better to explain things at the user's level and talk them through the process so at least they might learn something along the way.
What makes the rating system so contentious is that it is actually quite subjective as to what makes a good answer. As a result I completely ignore the ratings and try to make up my mind from the source material. Does this make the whole system completely redundant? Probably, yes.
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DerbyDad03
I've viewed this thread in Firefox and IE. All I notice is that its a quite delayed when moving down with the scroll bar (in both). I get no FF script messages.
However, my FF is set to clear everything on exit and I also run CCleaner.
some other bloke...
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re: Does this make the whole system completely redundant? Probably, yes.
Actually, no.
For it to be redundant, the ratings would have to be a unnecessary duplication of your thoughts. Since you aren't the only one voting, it can't be considered redundant.
Ridiculous, yes. Redundant, no.
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"who really cares about ratings anyway"
It's not show much that I care about my personal rating (although I didn't like seeing a -1 for the correct answer), but what about the next person that comes along looking for an answer & sees that -1? Will he recognize it as correct? or pass it by due to the negative rating?
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Derek:
I just downloaded and ran the latest version of Ccleaner. Still getting:A script on this page may be busy, or it may have stopped responding. You can stop the script now, or you can continue to see if the script will complete.
Script: http://toms.jbrlsr.com/scirev.php?a...
Again, it's only with this thread.
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DerbyDad03: It's probably just some plugin you're using.
Alternatively, you could just install NoScript and not worry about it.
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I agree with jam in #246. That said, if I understood Justin's explanation I don't think the rating system is going away. I would like to see it tweaked using suggestions from this thread and at least trying it out. Justin, are you reading?
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jam,
That's why I rather think the ratings need to be done someone in authority if you will.
I have seen many that in my opinion maybe didn't get their question across all that well and the responses while great may not have fit their real problem. Thus either they ignore them or they try them to no effect. I'll give ya an example: I ,even thhough I am now running Win. 7 grew up on 98 so I have a tendancy to configure my system with more of a classic look so many things that are suggested I do to fix a problem the path just isn't visibly there. I keep this in mind so I sometimes have to look for things that I have been told to "click" or "highlight". Unless I state my configuration in the question how would anyone know? Some will just think to themselves what this person says is there isn't so he doesn't know what he is talking about and blow it off and then give a negative rating.
Ofcourse now the idea of having a panel if you will to rate the answers kind of leans towards a paid site.
Likely
Practice makes perfect but only if you practice perfectly!
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Re:For it to be redundant, the ratings would have to be a unnecessary duplication of your thoughts. Since you aren't the only one voting, it can't be considered redundant.
Well it can be considered completely redundant for me as I stated I completely ignore the ratings. If other people use the ratings, I genuinely don't care.
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Justin - have you changed something without letting us know?
In my recent thread entitled Magic number 090909 at 0900, I noticed the UP/DOWN arrows are now placed to the rigfht of the caption Was this helpful? Am I the only one to see this since it is my own post? If that is it, why cannot you mask out the Rating bars from everybody except the original poster?
i_Xp/VistaUser
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Why would you mask out the rating bars from everyone but the OP? IMHO they are the least qualified to rate answers.
XP
I just revisited that thread and the arrows are the same there as all other threads.
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Othe - you are not the OP of that post - I am and I see it. Why dont you create a new thread and when someone reply you will see the caption Was this helpful? next to the UP/DOWN Arrow. Once again this caption is visible only to the OP.
i_Xp/VistaUser
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Has anyone noticed that we've never been given a reason as to why HAVE to have this stupid rating system?
We were the unwilling, led by the unqualified, to do the unnecessary, for the ungrateful.
VietNam War Poster
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Yeah, Justin's bosses read one too many Web 2.0 books, and so they commanded computing.net have a rating system, too.
It encourages a community, you see..
EDIT: Woo! 2^8!
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we've never been given a reason.. what for, murmured the owner of this site. He also murmured Why can't I do as I please.
i_Xp/VistaUser
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I hunted for a thread where I think jam asked about the thumbs up that we had for a while. At that time Justin mentioned that the changes were to bring CN more in line with Tom's Hardware. It was suggested by some, myself included, that a thumbs down also be included. The result, after some tweaking with the shape of the arrows is what we have today. Then the shields appeared and reading from the top of this thread, you know the rest.
So, in the end it appears that corporate are the ones that want the ratings. To what end we can only speculate.
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Razor2.3
Congrats for grabbing #256 as promised in #224.
Does this mean I have to give you a plus point LOL?some other bloke...
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This thread is kind of like some of those records kept by Ripley's and others. You know, most hours on a pogo stick without stopping kind of thing. Valuable events that look good on ones resume'.
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I think we passed the record around 125 ago. Once I looked for long posts and one I was involved with ran well over a hundred and that was the longest I could find. I have a current one now at 136 right now.
http://www.computing.net/answers/ha...
jam mentioned 420. I don't know the significance of that number though.
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Hey Othehill - the 136 Post thread began August 29 2009 and seem to have ended today (September 10) whereas this thread began July 22 and it is still ongoing with no end in sight. By the way the 300th post is mine and mine alone. Beware - I will track down whoever took it first LOL.
i_Xp/VistaUser
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XpUser
That 136 post is no where near done. The OP is RMAing a board and will be back when they get a new one.
As far as the 300th post goes jam should probably get it. At some point Justin may tire of this thread and lock it.
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Hey, wot about the first four digit post? I must get a life sometime.....
Trying to be serious for a moment, one thing that strikes me is that there are various folk against ratings and various ideas for improvement. I don't recall anyone who thought they were a good idea - maybe I missed it. Accepted, not everyone will have input on this thread tho.
What's the betting Justin doesn't like ratings either?
Locked? We might find this post vanishes before then.
some other bloke...
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OtheHill: jam mentioned 420. I don't know the significance of that number though.
4:20 is the time to smoke MarijuanaThe OP is RMAing a board and will be back when they get a new one.
I've been less than happy with Asus motherboards these days. Something always seems to go wrong.
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Only sensational or controversial threads run this long.
I'm sure we'll agree that there's no credible reason why a PC assist thread should grow this long. IMO, after a dozen or so responses -- not counting the OP's routine feedback -- if the problem isn't remotely close to being figured out, it's time to channel the quality time & energy being expended on such a post to others for the sake of coherence & resource balance.
And I'm still not down with the rating system.
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"jam mentioned 420. I don't know the significance of that number though"
You really are "OtheHill"...lol
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jam, that is precisely why I use that handle. Gets me off the hook sometimes too.
I think I took a couple of drags back in 62 but I can't remember.
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Sabertooth -
What "PC assist thread" are you talking about? This thread is about long time users upset with the Rating System imposed with no advance notice. For most of us it is more of a controversial issue and it has nothing to do with sensation. I think Justin is smart enough to allow this thread to prolong - to give us a place to vent our angerness, tears & rages.
i_Xp/VistaUser
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Well then, that 1971 date would explain why I didn't know the term. My formative years were a decade before that.
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OtheHill,
Don't feel alone I was totaly lost about the 4:20 thing too but then again I never inhaled either.
That post you were talking about I had been watching, was curious about the lack of the comos jumper.
Razor2.3,
I haven't built any for about 9 months now but have put together many boxes using Asus boards including this one with only one failure and I am sure that was do to a water leak in the cooling system. I won't say I swear by them just several I have biult systems for wanted Asus so I built one for myself to see if they were all that. I guess if I think about it though there really isn't one brand I have used yet that I could really single out as bad.
" By the way the 300th post is mine and mine alone. Beware - I will track down whoever took it first LOL."
XpUser,
Now I have to hang out like a volture to snag 300.
LikelyPractice makes perfect but only if you practice perfectly!
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This medal system is attracting too many crappy responses.
I just lit off on one person here...
http://www.computing.net/answers/ga...
Just can't stand it anymore. An occasional response that's off base is understandable; this sort of stuff ain't.
Skip
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SkipCox: This medal system is attracting too many crappy responses.
Which raises the question, how many negative votes are needed to nullify the points for posting an answer?But how do you know he's going for metals? We were all 13 at one point, after all.
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"But how do you know he's going for metals?"
I got my information here.
http://www.computing.net/userinfo/1...
Namely...
"working hard for a medal..."
Skip
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"What "PC assist thread" are you talking about? This thread is about long time users upset with the Rating System imposed with no advance notice. For most of us it is more of a controversial issue and it has nothing to do with sensation."
XPU,
My comment was in response to OTH's hint -- in response 261 -- that this thread is becoming so prolonged, that it might go down on some type of record on CN.
Now, coming back to the topic, it's ironic that the rating feature is largely ignored in the thread; it must not be that desirable after all :-)
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"We were all 13 at one point, after all."
Uhhhhh maybe? Maybe not yet. My youngest came to this site for the first time at age 11.
Likely
Practice makes perfect but only if you practice perfectly!
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re: My youngest came to this site for the first time at age 11.
Well, he'll be 13 before this thread is over!
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Lmao she is 20 now. I am looking for what to get her for her 25th after we are done with this thread.
Likely
Practice makes perfect but only if you practice perfectly!
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Hmmm and I thought for sure we would be well over 300 by now.
Likely
Practice makes perfect but only if you practice perfectly!
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Apart from some of the jocular responses in the last few days some very valid points have been made... one wonders why Justin has not seen fit to comment for some considerable time now. I think Othehill's comment "So, in the end it appears that corporate are the ones that want the ratings. To what end we can only speculate" is spot on.
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Agreed, but that doesn't mean we can't whine and snivel this bad boy the rest of the way to 300.
It's the trees moving that makes the wind blow
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Just like taxes. We are gonna gripe and groan about it but still we will use it.
Likely
Practice makes perfect but only if you practice perfectly!
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after my valuable input above... I'm still a bronze member!?!?!
Sheesh... I'll really shut my mouth from now on.
Seems my valuable input isn't regarded!
off to do a lounge ratings check
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Here's another example of (IMO) the rating system not working. Someone had given +1 to response #5 here:
http://www.computing.net/answers/wi...No idea why so I swiped it out. In fact Mister Mask seemed to be busy attempting to fix the wrong problem.
Another thing I've noticed (as an aside) is that posters are now far more confused about where to post problems since the new system was put in place. They are turning up all over the place. It was never 100% but now it's a darned sight worse.
some other bloke...
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I agree with Derek. The new system seems to have people all over the place.
Don't know why this is happening, maybe more new users on the system, but definitely an up tick in wrong forum posts.
We were the unwilling, led by the unqualified, to do the unnecessary, for the ungrateful.
VietNam War Poster
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>>>"Don't know why this is happening, maybe more new users on the system, but definitely an up tick in wrong forum posts."<<<
Agreed. Vista posts in DOS, programming posts in XP, the list goes on. Plus, as long as many of us have been here, it seems like the rating system is a "consensus-negative"...
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I didn't mean to say that Ratings was the culprit for all this mis-posting. It is due to all the other changes that took place around the same time. When I went to post a question recently I had a bit of sympathy with the posters.
some other bloke...
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I stand by my idea that it has to be someone in authority rating the posts. If it sounds good to me I may give it a good rating or if it doesn't work for me, and my situation may be different, I give it a bad rating and let my lack of knowledge shine through.
Likely
Practice makes perfect but only if you practice perfectly!
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I stand by my idea that it has to be someone in authority rating the posts.
'Splain me how that would work.
Wouldn't the person in authority have to be an all-knowing all-seeing, infallible expert in the subject matter of the posts (s)he is rating? How else would they know which posts are good and which ones are not?
I know a thing or two about Excel, but there are times when I don't know if the response solved the OP's issue, especially if the OP doesn't come back and say thanks.
Even the forum moderators can't know everything about everything that gets ask in the forum(s) they're responsible for.
"Authority" doesn't make someone an expert - and that's OK. A manager doesn't need to be an expert in everything within his authority. There are times when even a manager has to ask his subordinates "Is this a good idea?"
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In Post 300, likelystory wrote ... HA HA XP I got 300.
Good for you. I will wait for the 400th post LOL.
i_Xp/VistaUser
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DerbyDad03,
I see and agree with what you are saying. You are probably right but it seems as long as all are allowed to rate the posts it just opens us up for a mess. Personally i don't rate any posts.
1) Who the heck am I, I don't have any experience.
2) Even if it is say a bad response that I know beyond doubt is no good I give it a bad rating. In a half hour the poster comes back and gives a good rating thereby canceling me out.I guess I was grasping at staws with that idea. I don't know. Just seems to me that what we have doesn't work very well.
XpUser,Sorry I had to do that after reading response #265. I'll be nice though and graciously allow you post #400. LOL
Practice makes perfect but only if you practice perfectly!
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Maybe I'll just shut my eyes and think back to happier times (in the pre-"Tom's Guide" days) when computing.net was one of the best computer forums on the web, rather than the utter and complete shambles it has now become.
Justin, you did us proud in all those years, and for that I sincerely thank you. What a pity it has had to come to this.
Happy days.....
some other bloke...
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Political correctness forbids me from commenting on the quality and the source of many of the posts but I agree with Derek wholeheartedly... the forum is rapidly becomong a shambles.
It is unfortunate that Justin has not seen fit to comment again but I have no doubt that he is as concerned as we are and unfortunately there seems to be very little he can do about it now.
Home Page http://ewen.uuuq.com/
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I don't know that CN is a shambles. I think the issue is the increased exposure has drawn more users. Unfortunately the caliber of some of those users is what is bringing down the overall quality. New, unqualified users are responding to queries almost the day they register. That would be OK, if the responses were better than they are.
As in any forum users come and go. That is the nature of the beast. Many valued members that used to respond are not longer visiting, or have chosen not to participate. The reasons are many, I would guess. If Justin is to be faulted for anything it might be trying to be too politically correct.
I have taken it upon myself to ask users that have posted in the wrong forum why that happened. I haven't received a meaningful answer yet. I suspect the answer is laziness. One must take the time to look at the site before registering and posting. I don't think that is happening.
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I agree with OtheHill, I still see some of the same people posting that did when I first came to this site 7 or 8 years ago and I have noticed many have apperently moved on. I am sure not all those that have are of the idea that the site is now in shambles. I am old set in my ways and stubborn as heck but the changes I have seen don't seem to be all that bad. This rating system thing is going to take a beating, those that pay the bills want it and it seems the users can't find a reason why it is needed or how to make it work 100%. my bet is that it isn't going anywhere and in time will just blow over.
The problems this site has have always been the same and I imagine they are the same at other sites. The fact that the site has grown in popularity just magnifies everything. Instead of a few users posting in the wrong forums now we have hundreds. The percentages are probably still roughly the same as five years ago.
The rating system? I guess I just am not that brilliant as I don't see an answer to how to make it work properly. Everytime I think I have an idea when I look at it from the otherside I can plainly see I haven't fixed anything just moved the issue to a different area. All in all though I can't blame Justin. I don't know the whole story but I believe he has supervisors to answer too that want the changes so I am not slinging any mud. Could this all have been done different? Sure and we could all still be playing Pong in grandma's basement and getting high.
Just my ten cents.Likely
Practice makes perfect but only if you practice perfectly!
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FWIW, does anyone realize that you can vote as many times as you want by changing proxies? I bumped the above post from 0 to 3 by going from Poland>Russian Federation>China.
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re: let this thread die
Sorry, not until it gets as long as these:
==========================================
Longest, but possibly dead:
http://www.gpspassion.com/forumsen/...
Posts: 1,339 Views: 217,960 First post: 08/29/2007 Most Recent Post: 02/19/2009==========================================
Not as many posts, but with more views, a longer history, and active as of last month:
http://www.gpspassion.com/forumsen/...
Posts: 883 Views: 521,256 First post: 01/16/2006 Most Recent Post: 09/05/2009
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Yeah, but that site has multi-page thread capabilities. CN doesn't.
XpUser: Why not let it keep going until the 500th post
Really, I'm just bitter that we're past 300 posts, and no one has discussed cupcakes.
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re: Yeah, but that site has multi-page thread capabilities. CN doesn't.
Why does that matter?
"Longest", when used in relation to this thread, has always meant the number of posts, not how far down you have to scroll to get to the bottom.
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"Sure and we could all still be playing Pong in grandma's basement and getting high"
I quit playing pong a LONG time ago but I continue doing the other ;-)
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Just for Razor2.3,
Hey jam after doing the other :-) Do you have a craving for cupcakes?
I have to try and keep this thread going at least 'til 400 'cause I promised XpUser he could have the 400th response. Just 85 to go.
LikelyPractice makes perfect but only if you practice perfectly!
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re: At least this thread isn't quite this bad
True, but other than the occasional arc related to the length of this thread, it is a valid discussion and not a thread dedicated to being nothing more than a long thread.
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"Hey jam after doing the other :-) Do you have a craving for cupcakes?"
Uh, no. More like Duff's buffalo wings, Danny's chicken wing soup, Leonardi's pizza, Fuddrucker's burgers, Anderson's cajun fries, Mighty Taco tacos or burritos or jalapeno poppers, 7-Eleven red hot beef & bean burritos, McDonald's Spicy McChicken sandwich, Manhattan Bagels' jalapeno/cheddar bagels, corn chips/hot salsa, potato chips/onion dip, crackers/extra sharp cheese, etc, etc, etc. Then wash it all down with a 2L of Diet Coke. I don't wanna get fat!
"Chow down"
Even in my highly enlightened state, that's kinda sick!
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Oh my I hope you don't do the "other" often or your gonna blow your figure and your scale. lol
Likely@%4#***&^ Now I am hungry.
Practice makes perfect but only if you practice perfectly!
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Oh boy this thread isn't locked yet.
I want to go like my grandfather did. Peacefully in his sleep. Not screaming at the top of my lungs like the passengers in his car.
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