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Name: DerbyDad03
Date: April 5, 2009 at 07:45:56 Pacific
OS: Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition
CPU/Ram: 2.596 GHz / 502 MB
Subcategory: General
Comment:

There used to be a warning somewhere on this site about not posting requests for password cracks.

I can't seem to find that rule anymore.

Can someone point me to it so I can respond to a poster that is requesting a crack method?

Thanks!



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Response Number 1
Name: Curt R
Date: April 5, 2009 at 08:18:53 Pacific
Reply:

I usually don't bother with that, I just report it to Justin and he deletes the post(s).


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Response Number 2
Name: DerbyDad03
Date: April 5, 2009 at 08:35:29 Pacific
Reply:

I know that I can do that, but sometimes it's just as easy for me to quickly respond, save Justin the work, and maybe teach the poster something about the ethics of this site. It also leaves the post intact for future searchers to realize that we don't give out that kind of information.

However, if that rule is no longer posted anywhere on this site, then there is no justin-fication (sic) for Justin to remove the request.


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Response Number 3
Name: Justin Weber
Date: April 5, 2009 at 12:19:54 Pacific
Reply:

Hi,

I believe this is the link you are looking for:

http://www.computing.net/rules.html

Justin


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Response Number 4
Name: DerbyDad03
Date: April 5, 2009 at 13:20:38 Pacific
Reply:

Thank you for that. Now humor me...

Let's say I've never been to this site before and, always trying to do the right thing, I wanted to find the rules for this site before posting.

Can you tell me where that link exists? In other words, without knowing the URL you posted, how would a new user find the rules?

Is there someplace where it says "For Forum Rules Click Here"?


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Response Number 5
Name: XpUser
Date: April 5, 2009 at 13:37:16 Pacific
Reply:

Justin - you need to fixd the "this page" link provided in the paragraph under What are the rules for Computing.Net? Clicking on the link opens Recent Activity instead of the terms and rules for posting onto Computing.Net's forums.

i_Xp/VistaUser


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Response Number 6
Name: DerbyDad03
Date: April 5, 2009 at 13:47:14 Pacific
Reply:

@ XpUser

Thanks for the response...it at least helped me find the link that Justin supplied.

Now it just has to be fixed, as you pointed out.


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Response Number 7
Name: Jennifer SUMN
Date: April 5, 2009 at 15:24:12 Pacific
Reply:

Is asking how to find the password to your own computer allowed? Or does that fall under the "Do not post any questions or answers having to deal with hacking or cracking. "

I think it should. Cause people don't always tell the truth. They can say anything...doesn't necessarily mean the computer they're trying to "remember" the password to is their own.

EEOC


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Response Number 8
Name: DerbyDad03
Date: April 5, 2009 at 15:41:04 Pacific
Reply:

I don't see the reason for your question.

Why would anyone think it was any different?


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Response Number 9
Name: XpUser
Date: April 5, 2009 at 15:44:30 Pacific
Reply:

IMO I think it shouldn't be allowed. Read the thread below - this user claimed she forgot not only the password but also the & answer to the secret question.

http://www.computing.net/answers/se...

i_Xp/VistaUser


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Response Number 10
Name: Jennifer SUMN
Date: April 5, 2009 at 17:08:32 Pacific
Reply:

The reason for my question is the number of posts I see asking how to reset a password....and the number of responses telling the OP how to do just that. Those posts aren't deleted.

EEOC


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Response Number 11
Name: Justin Weber
Date: April 6, 2009 at 06:34:35 Pacific
Reply:

XpUser,

Thanks for the info, I have corrected that.

As for DerbyDad's question, whenever someone tries to post, the rules are linked right at the top of the confirmation page (in the center under the Terms and Rules link).

Justin


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Response Number 12
Name: DerbyDad03
Date: April 6, 2009 at 08:22:31 Pacific
Reply:

Thanks Justin.

I didn't notice the tiny, light grey letters amongst the large blue banners, the animated ads and all the other stuff on the Confirm Post page.

Hint Hint ;-)


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Response Number 13
Name: Justin Weber
Date: April 6, 2009 at 22:24:20 Pacific
Reply:

Derby,

From past experience, I know I could make that thing twice as big and not hardly anyone will read it. Most people don't bother to read rules :)

Justin


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Response Number 14
Name: likelystory
Date: April 10, 2009 at 05:17:01 Pacific
Reply:

I have picked up on a few tricks over the years as I am sure all of you have done, I imagine to a greater extent as you all have much more experience than I do. I have seen many of these posts myself and try to avoid them for a lot of reasons. Legallity only one of them. I have just enough know how to help someone really screw up a good system. I really would feel bad if I knew I did that and it was someone trying to hack into someone elses system.

Practice makes perfect but only if you practice perfectly!


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Response Number 15
Name: jam
Date: April 10, 2009 at 11:53:25 Pacific
Reply:

"people don't always tell the truth. They can say anything..."

True, but if someone asks a seemingly harmless question like "which key do I press to access the BIOS" or "how do I format my HDD", how do we know that he/she isn't up to no good? He/she could be deliberately mucking up someone's settings or wiping their HDD. Lying doesn't just apply to password recovery.


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Response Number 16
Name: Rayburn
Date: April 10, 2009 at 22:17:41 Pacific
Reply:

Jam is right on target! I agree 100%. You might as well not answer anyone's questions because you never know whether they're up to good or not. I don't think it's fair to label someone as being up to no good without proof that they're not. The phrase "guilty until proven innocent" comes to my mind when it should really be the other way around.

WinSimple Software


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Response Number 17
Name: guapo
Date: April 11, 2009 at 06:57:08 Pacific
Reply:

I would have answered Rona's question about forgetting the password & the secret answer, had I seen it. If this forum were any more conservative, it would be fascist.


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Response Number 18
Name: 1stepbeyond
Date: April 13, 2009 at 13:31:28 Pacific
Reply:

lol Guapo

'If this forum were any more conservative, it would be fascist. '

too late !, already reserved by the denizens of expertsexchange hyphen :)
what site hides the answers from general browsing?
how many times have ppl been googled there only to find fuzzy answers and adverts. that site used to be free you know! just like c.net is , then the word corporate appeared.

(btw JW im wondering why ive seen on c.net post is there a business tick box)

;)

& theres more, when does a 'well documented feature' become a hack?
or is it the other way round?


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Response Number 19
Name: lurkswithin
Date: April 13, 2009 at 14:12:23 Pacific
Reply:

I agree that one cannot tell when someone is lying or not and/or whether they have bad intentions.

I do not agree that telling someone how to access the BIOS is the same as telling someone how to bypass the installed password. One may tell someone how to jimmy a car door when they have locked their keys in side but you wouldn't tell them how to hot wire the ignition if they lost the keys...you would tell them to call a locksmith to make a new set of keys or a mechanic to explain how to change the ignition switch, or the best answer would be to have the dealer that you bought the car from do what is needed to get you moving again.

It is no different with a computer....either err on caution or teach someone how to hot wire it so they can steal it. The difference is really quite simple:

Are you doing this as a private individual or are you doing it from under the banner of CN . In one choice you have the sole responsibility of your actions...on the other, you leave the blame to CN.

Now you may not care as to what people think of you as you can hide behind the user name and your keyboard, but CN is the one who will take the fall for any of our actions...

And please don't refer to the we are not responsible clause because it doesn't keep the other from suing to begin with and costing someone lots of money to fight the battle. Nor does it stop the courts from shutting down the site till it is settled or just trying to make a point to others just like Microsoft did to a lot of websites that gave out information on how to by-pass using a Dell installation disc on non Dell computers and in the same aspect of peer to peer sharing of files with them going after the ISP and issuing warnings to individuals.

Change Is Good
http://www.citizenlink.org/Stopligh...


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Response Number 20
Name: guapo
Date: April 13, 2009 at 17:03:04 Pacific
Reply:

1stepbeyond

BTW, when you search Google & one of the results is experts exchange, just click on cached & you can view the answers by scrolling to the bottom. What do you think of that?

How do you know when a politician is lying? His mouth is moving.


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Response Number 21
Name: worldlibrary
Date: May 15, 2009 at 15:23:49 Pacific
Reply:

Uh Hello out there!
There is a difference in obtaining a password and changing a password.

Obtained.... the owner will not know the system has been compromised.

Changed ....the owner (if not a complete idiot) will notice the change.

I am glad that any post is left up to Justin's discresion
and not volunteer hall monitors....

I for one have at least 3 parents a month come in ...they only have one computer in the house , and sis or bro tried to setup a password on their user account and ended up putting the password on the entire system.

A good beating and a life time of restriction just does not
make a kids memory work better.

Personally I think changeing is OK not aquiring.

W.L.


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Response Number 22
Name: DerbyDad03
Date: May 15, 2009 at 19:47:16 Pacific
Reply:

Who, besides you, mentioned anything about "changing passwords"?


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Response Number 23
Name: worldlibrary
Date: May 16, 2009 at 16:40:22 Pacific
Reply:

Is there some reason the difference's shouldn't be mentioned?

Sorry if the below offends you.

I am glad that any post is left up to Justin's discretion
and not volunteer hall monitors....


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Response Number 24
Name: DerbyDad03
Date: May 18, 2009 at 10:43:38 Pacific
Reply:

Nothing you have said offended me. You don't have that much impact on how I feel.

However, you did start your post with "Uh Hello out there!" which I (perhaps mistakenly) read as you saying that we weren't paying attention, as in "Hey, aren't you listening?" or "Don't you understand what we're talking about?"

I'm sure you know that the written word can be sometimes misinterpreted.

I guess there are other reasons to start a post with "Uh..." but I can't think of any right now.

http://dictionary.reference.com/sea...


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Response Number 25
Name: Supertrucker
Date: May 23, 2009 at 15:52:29 Pacific
Reply:

Justin has done a great job so far. I don't usually respond to password posts however I have cleared passwords for people in the r/w but that's always face to face. If you run a shop and someone brings in a rig that's different than posting a how to on a c/net post. Not only might you be helping someone for real or helping them screw up somebody elses rig but anyone can view that post. Hmmm. Google "help I lost my password" and see how many c/net posts come up. Na not for me.

WinXp Amd 64 3000 Msi Neo2 Platinuim 1 gig ddr 400. When we cast a pebble into a pond we should look past the first ripple.


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Response Number 26
Name: Supertrucker
Date: May 23, 2009 at 16:47:04 Pacific
Reply:

As to this site being "to conservative" I've notice that most of us leave our "politics" at the door and try to help others or learn from others yet I notice some people can't seem to do that. Sad.

WinXp Amd 64 3000 Msi Neo2 Platinuim 1 gig ddr 400. When we cast a pebble into a pond we should look past the first ripple.


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