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Name: Justin Weber
Hi all,
This week's poll question is about Microsoft's new ad strategy against Apple. Discuss here what you think about the new PC vs. Mac ads, and, if you like, the poll results themselves.
Thanks!
Justin
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Sometime in mid or late 1997 microsoft won a lawsuit against apple and the settlement was a 5 year partnership with apple . Apple would use the IE browser and Micosoft would pay 150 million dollars for non-voting stock options plus continue to support windows office for Mac computers. Other than that non-vote stock purchase which Microsoft sold in 2000...there was never any ownership qualifications. (150 million dollars of stock from a 600 billion dollar company at the time is really not anything to call ownership qualifying)
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"I hope so" should be one of the choices. :-)
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I often wondered why MSoft didn't respond to the ads before now.
Now it appears they are simply stating that PCs are cheaper than Apple products. I am not sure this is a wise choice. I would think they should exploit the advantages of an open platform as well as the cost advantage.
As it is the perception is still that Apple is better but PCs may be cheaper.
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It might make a bit of a difference but the simple truth is, after 15 years of working with, and playing on, computers, I don't know 5 people that own a Mac of any kind. The numbers always have, and as far as I can see, always will remain low for the Mac's as compared to the number of "PC's" out there.
I used to get a chuckle out of the "I'm a PC" vs "I'm a Mac" commercials.
PC is an acronym for Personal Computer
Guess what a Mac is? That's right folks, it's a "Personal Computer"
It used to be Mac's had proprietary hardware and a proprietary operating system. Now they use all the same hardware as any other PC and their OS is based on UNIX. So if you really look at it, Mac has become more of a "PC" and less of a Mac.
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To me it is sort of like living in some little town out in the middle of nowhere with a population of less than a thousand. Your given a choice of cars to buy, a Toyota or a Mercedes Benz. One would think the Benz the better choice? However it easily costs a lot more than the Toyota. All mechanical things require maintenance. Joey Brown that lives out by old man Johnsons' farm went to trade school to learn to repair Toyotas and works at Smitty's garage on main street. The nearest Benz repair shop is over 400 miles away. Yeah the Toyota is most likely the lesser vehicle but, my $21,000 a year salary at the wool plant over in Irvington helps me make my choice.
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I like the current Microsoft commercials much more than the ones with Jerry Seinfeld, which I thought were terrible. I also like the fact that they make comparisons to MACs without trashing the MAC. It is true that the commercials are only emphasizing the fact that you get more for your money, but that's not a trivial point. I agree with Jackbomb that "I hope so" should be one of the choices.
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The 'Laptop Hunters' series of commercials will probably measure as effective in influencing potential buyers because the message that you get can what you want at the price you can afford is well-timed for the global recession. Plus, who hasn't been in a situation where you're dreaming about owning a 6.0-litre V12 powered Aston Martin DBS, knowing all the while, you're going to end up with a practical and budget-friendly solution like a used minivan with 100,000 miles on it and a missing front bumper.
As for the Seinfeld/Gates commercial...I'm just not cool enough to appreciate it. Oddly, I find myself suddenly craving a churros and wanting to visit a discount shoe warehouse now, so I guess the commercial was really effective after all.
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I still have an old Apple 2. Got it because of the rumor that kids hacked into some big defense computer with one. All I could ever do with it was play some silly little game that came on it. Luckily I bought it used at a yard sale only paid $25 for it.
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Cur R
" So if you really look at it, Mac has become more of a "PC"
and less of a Mac" Is far from the truth.
While I agree that MAC is using PC parts and PC stands for
Personal Computer. Part of your PC is the operating
System.
I have switched from PC to MAC about 3 years ago and
have never looked back. The OS is way more stable than
Windows ever dreamed of (However I did like XP). The
reason I switched was Vista. Windows would rather upgrade
than fix current problems (and Vista made it worse).As for price, If you compare the same exact equipment, you
will see virtually no difference in cost. PC's advantage is
that you can buy low end equipment (price not necessarily
quality). Whereas a MAC you get what you get and it's high
end components which =$$$I still use a PC, but MAC is winning me over (Sorry)
What happened to my quote
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“As for price, If you compare the same exact equipment, you
will see virtually no difference in cost.”
That’s just not true-for a brand name or self built computer, similar hardware and specs are going to cost a bit less than for the MAC in general. Now if you think the operating system is way more stable and you are willing to pay the price for that, so be it. I don’t think it’s way more stable, but it might be somewhat more stable. I think that more of it has to do with the fact that for the MAC, the same company which builds the computer also makes the operating system.
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angryman2001
What do you base your statement about the quality of Mac hardware? Do you have some insider knowledge? I would bet they buy from the same vendors as PC makers. Don't forget, Macs are PCs no matter what they call them. Even running the same chips.
If you are liking your Mac better, that is probably due to the OS and the eye candy.
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We don't get those commercials here in South Florida.
Old people don't use computers.
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LOL seawatch1.........not true, my folks do.....but they're not in South Florida......
angryman2001:Cur R
" So if you really look at it, Mac has become more of a "PC"
and less of a Mac" Is far from the truth.
While I agree that MAC is using PC parts and PC stands for
Personal Computer. Part of your PC is the operating
System.
I have switched from PC to MAC about 3 years ago and
have never looked back. The OS is way more stable than
Windows ever dreamed of (However I did like XP). The
reason I switched was Vista. Windows would rather upgrade
than fix current problems (and Vista made it worse).Well, I started with DOS. Learned Win 3.x, 98, 2000, 2003, XP, UNIX and several flavors of Linux. I skipped ME and Vista and while I have had a peek at Windows Beta 7, I doubt I'll ever use it as I'm switching to Linux as my desktop of choice for day-to-day work.
However, from a gaming standpoint, and I am a gamer, you need windows as few games really cross platforms. This includes Mac as well. So, if you like gaming, you need at least one Windows box in your house. If you don't, it doesn't matter much.
But, the Mac OSX is UNIX based as I posted above. So whereas it used to be wholly Mac, it's not now because it's based on another OS. This is also one reason it's stable. UNIX is a very stable OS.
As for price, If you compare the same exact equipment, you
will see virtually no difference in cost. PC's advantage is
that you can buy low end equipment (price not necessarily
quality). Whereas a MAC you get what you get and it's high
end components which =$$$Due to my working in industry and having some excellent contacts I get good prices on hardware. Because I'm a hardcore computer geek, I build my own so save on labour costs which means in the end, I pay less for a computer than someone who doesn't build their own if they were to purchase a unit made with exactly the same equipment. There are a lot of geeks out there like me who also save a pile of $$$ over the years building their own. This, as you probably know already, is not an option with a Mac. You have no choice but to buy them prebuilt (and pay more for the exact same HW). If you could buy just the OS and install it on whatever (like my computers) then I might just buy their OS and check it out. But, again, because most game mfg's don't make Mac versions, I'd likely not bother even if you could buy just the OS.
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Curt R
While not as extensive, I have been since Windows 98
I do agree with you about the gamers with Windows.
What I meant to all who disagree about the cost is this...
Yes I too can build a cheaper system (and in the past have
done so).
For the ordinary person who goes to a store and buys one, $
for $ they are the same.
And I'm not trying to say MAC is for everyone.
I still use my PC as most S/W I have is windows based.What happened to my quote
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