Solved Seeking limitations to three security apps

December 30, 2013 at 15:17:30
Specs: Windows XP Pro SP3, Phenom X4 9850
I'm wanting to know if there are any sort of malware that the use of 'Sandboxie', plus Faronics 'Anti-executable' & 'Deep Freeze' cannot protect me from?

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January 8, 2014 at 02:34:24
"So what do you think of using all three? Probably not at the same time, of course. You think these will be enough to allow me to continue using XP Pro after EOL?"

Ah! I was thinking about your original question and how it hadn't actually been answered.
However, I see you are being more slightly more specific, in the context of security for XP after April 14th.

I doubt it.

I'm not familiar with Faronic's software, but running all that, plus Sandboxie is likely to be highly impracticable. It'd be like standing on one leg, juggling with 3-balls; wont be long before you drop one.
Besides - there are limitations to the likes of Deep Freeze:
(2nd heading) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_F...

I'm with this guy:- "Once support is withdrawn by Microsoft, it will be impossible to secure the XP machine. It won't matter how many firewalls, anti-virus scanners, or other security programs are installed.
Any XP machine that is online after that date will get infected repeatedly, and any useful information on it will likely be stolen. It will NOT be fixable".

http://www.malwareremoval.com/forum...


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#1
December 31, 2013 at 02:59:00
There is always some malware that can get past any defence. You'd go crazy if you worried about it too much.

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#2
December 31, 2013 at 03:09:49
I think it's fair to sat that "no" security software can guarantee to be fully secure from a determined pest...; until that pest shows up and an "antidote" developed for it, and then incorporated into the software itself.

Only way to be really secure is to not go on the web; never to install anything from another system - e.g. via usb flash drives, cd/dvd etc. Keep the system fully isolated from any outside access or connections...

(In this latter respect - a fully Farady screened room, with no windows, a locked door, and an armed guard with shoot to kill priviliges against unauthorised access. Which latter is how my tutors put it when discussing secutity of all kinds, when i dun my mcse years ago. He described it as how the US military might create - and regard - a truly secure/safe IT system.)

Best you can hope for is careful vetting of any sites you go to; heeding warnings re' any possible threats detected or known. And regularly updating your pest control utilities. And maybe an occasional on-line scan too from those sites who offer them.

Again remember that no single utility can be fully/truly uptodate all the time, as pests are constantly evolving etc... It takes time for them to be detected and dealt with.

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#3
December 31, 2013 at 11:01:29
I'm surprised Sandboxie doesn't receive more, positive publicity. It's pretty much essential. I wouldn't be without it.
As with anything, there's obviously a slight learning curve, but it's worth making a little effort to get to know it.

It can't protect you if your PC is already infected, eg, say from a keylogger, but it would have prevented that same keylogger from downloading and installing itself on one's system had Sandboxie had been in use at the time.
it also wont protect you from phishing scams should you enter your details into an email or bogus site. it doesn't stop you communicating with sites - just prevents downloaded files from installing themselves on your PC.

I use it on every PC I own and work on. Just about any browser can be opened in Sandboxie, not just the default browser. As long as there is a desktop shortcut to the browser; Simply r-click the browser shortcut of choice and choose, 'run Sandboxed'.

Likewise, you can open all manner of suspicious zip files or whatever in Sandboxie as well as seeing what attempts to run from dodgy files and key gen's that the naughty kids have downloaded from P2P sites.
Your antivirus prog may occasionally throw a wobbler at stuff in the Sandbox, but it's surprising how much malware is out there, which goes totally undetected by your AV prog.

Yup. It should be on everyone's list of PC freebie essentials along with your antivirus of choice, Malwarebytes and CCleaner.

To anyone considering its use; don't make the mistake my brother-in-law made. he thought just having Sandboxie installed on his PC gave him protection. So, after having his email address hacked for the third time and money removed from his bank account, I had to spell it out to him, to fire up his browser within the sandbox.

http://www.sandboxie.com/index.php?...



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#4
December 31, 2013 at 12:17:41
Peet100 said.
"I had to spell it out to him, to fire up his browser within the sandbox"

Or use a browser with sandbox built in.

Google Chrome
http://www.google.com/chrome
http://www.google.com/chrome/intl/e...
AdBlock for Chrome!
https://chrome.google.com/extension...
Sandboxing
https://www.google.com/intl/en/chro...
SS ( screenshot of Sandboxing info )
http://i.imgur.com/cSl81Y8.gif


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#5
December 31, 2013 at 12:42:09
Does using sandbox slow things down at all?

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#6
December 31, 2013 at 17:01:34
Does using sandbox slow things down at all?

Not at all. And it's a tiny prog - only a 2.48MB download.
http://www.filehippo.com/download_s...

EDIT: I should add that after the trial period, Sandboxie remains fully functional, but there's a 5-second delay/countdown, before it loads.

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#7
December 31, 2013 at 17:15:57
Thank you for comment Peet100.

My current kit is mostly Mac these days. They run Safari. Have to say that after a recent "minor" update it (Safari) seems to be little slower than was... So I dun a trawl for browsers that include sandbox - as per Johnw' list... Installed Chrome (avoiding its wish to install other junk at the same time).

Comparing Chrome to Safari - at least for now... can't help but notice Chrome seems noticeably faster than Safari - even preumably with the built-in sandbox...

Will run Chrome for while and see how it goes...


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#8
December 31, 2013 at 17:44:37
Johnw said:

Or use a browser with sandbox built in.

That's good to know, but Sandboxie is much more than just a browser feature.

What Chrome offers in this respect, while better than nothing, offers no advantage compared to Sandboxie.

Sandboxie isn't perfect by any means and subject to glitches - though mainly related to Firefox updates causing it to stop opening correctly in the sandbox.
It's a minor problem as you can fire up any other browser and run it in Sandboxie.

I also use it as a tool. Chrome wont help you if you want to open or run a suspect downloaded file within a protected environment.
.
It can be quite revealing what some downloads contain.

I'm not recommending anyone try this, but try downloading, say, SpywareBlaster from one of the 'sponsored' links at the top of a typical search page.
Many unwary folk do this; It says SpywareBlaster in the link, but it's from a dodgy, third party adware/malware-merchant,
What you get is an initial .exe which ensures that as well as CCleaner, you get a whole bundle of crappy toolbars, browser hijackers etc.

I did this recently on someone's behalf, but ensured I opened up the download in Sandboxie.... I lost count of the crap it tried to install, including the infamous, Conduit toolbar/search engine. Also present were, SaltarSmart, My PC Backup, Minibar BHO, etc, etc.
I still have the screen shots from the attempted installs.
Fair enough, some, though not all, had untick options, during the process, but we all know folk who blindly just click-click.



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#9
December 31, 2013 at 17:54:19
Peet100 said.

"Fair enough, some, though not all, had untick options, during the process, but we all know folk who blindly just click-click"

This is available to help the click-click people.

Use Unchecky to prevent these third party installs.
http://www.softpedia.com/get/System...
http://www.softpedia.com/progScreen...
http://unchecky.com/
How to download from Softpedia.
http://i.imgur.com/iZ3Fzmc.gif
http://i.imgur.com/NNgm1rF.gif
A reliable application that aims to protect your computer against third-party components often offered during software installations.


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#10
December 31, 2013 at 18:03:34
Sadly actual sandboxie isn't compatible with Mac OS...

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#11
January 1, 2014 at 01:58:16
trvlr said:

Sadly actual sandboxie isn't compatible with Mac OS...

Probably no need for it to be. 99.9% of malware doesn't run on a Mac.

Not much can get into a Mac, nor Linux come to that.

Perhaps I'll treat myself to a Mac one day, seeing as Santa missed me out again.

Strangely, despite the alleged popularity of Macs, none of my wide circle of friends/family/acquaintances and other contacts have one.
At least one of them now has a Windows 8 PC. Fortunately for me, he lives in France. I await the request and free air ticket to sort it out for him. LOL


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#12
January 1, 2014 at 02:40:11
Agree there aren't many pests - yet - targeting Mac OS... But there are some and there has been "allegedly" an increase in attacks etc. as of late. Several physhing pests arrive now in emails that follow the usual formulae, seem to be genuine emails but aren't. And just selecting - ticking its box in the list - is now enuff for some them to drop in and try to do their stuff. Haven't found a way yet actually empty a junk mail box in M$Office\Outlook - without having to at least check each box, select each "email" first.

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#13
January 7, 2014 at 18:51:15
So what do you think of using all three? Probably not at the same time, of course. You think these will be enough to allow me to continue using XP Pro after EOL?

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January 8, 2014 at 02:34:24
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"So what do you think of using all three? Probably not at the same time, of course. You think these will be enough to allow me to continue using XP Pro after EOL?"

Ah! I was thinking about your original question and how it hadn't actually been answered.
However, I see you are being more slightly more specific, in the context of security for XP after April 14th.

I doubt it.

I'm not familiar with Faronic's software, but running all that, plus Sandboxie is likely to be highly impracticable. It'd be like standing on one leg, juggling with 3-balls; wont be long before you drop one.
Besides - there are limitations to the likes of Deep Freeze:
(2nd heading) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_F...

I'm with this guy:- "Once support is withdrawn by Microsoft, it will be impossible to secure the XP machine. It won't matter how many firewalls, anti-virus scanners, or other security programs are installed.
Any XP machine that is online after that date will get infected repeatedly, and any useful information on it will likely be stolen. It will NOT be fixable".

http://www.malwareremoval.com/forum...


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