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Name: ComputerCell
Date: March 27, 2004 at 11:42:14 Pacific
OS: XP, 98
Comment:

Did you know that there is more software needed in online security than just a firewall and antivirus? Well I know some. Here they are:

AntiVirus
Firewall
Internet contentcleaner(Cookies, Cache, etc.)
Spyware, adware remover
Spam washer
Ad blocker

Here are the ones I know you need so far. But I know there is alot more stuff needed. So all you online security experts out there, please tell me what I am missing.

Thanx,
ComputerCell



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Response Number 1
Name: tommy o
Date: March 27, 2004 at 11:50:20 Pacific
Reply:

Hello, ComputerCell. I certainly do not fit the expert category....far from it as I am 11 months into having my first computer.
But to add to your list, I have installed Adaware, Spybot Search and Destroy, and SpywareBlaster. These keep my computer quite clean, as far as tracking cookies and other spywares, and junkwares.
I really like SpywareBlaster, as it prevents the junk from getting into my computer in the first place. If something gets through, then Adaware and Spybot do their jobs and remove it for me.
Take care.....hope this adds to your list that you are compiling !
~Tommyo


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Response Number 2
Name: Jake
Date: March 27, 2004 at 12:10:20 Pacific
Reply:

Another important factor in security is the software one should avoid using, for example Internet Explorer, Outlook, and IIS.

Your list is by no means universal. I use Linux, so I don't need antivirus software or spyware/adware removal tools. My spam protection is a hotmail account. Spammers don't know my real e-mail address; they know my hotmail address.

Cryptography is vital for online security in some situations. Major issues are making sure your web browser supports the strongest ciphers, using PGP for private e-mail, and knowing how to secure wireless networks.


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Response Number 3
Name: dw226
Date: March 27, 2004 at 12:55:55 Pacific
Reply:

Well, I won't go so far as to say I'm an online expert, far from it I believe, but, I do have my own thing as far as protecting myself.

Let's start this thing from the very moment you hook that computer up and come online. The very FIRST thing you should do, the first program you install before anything else, is an antivirus program.

I don't care what, from Free AVG to Nord32, whatever you want, just get it and keep it running. The next thing you need to do is head over to Windows Update and grab EVERY critical update that is listed. Other updates are optional, but keep in mind they really may be needed.

Once you've taken care of this, it's time to get a firewall. Once again, free or paid, get one, install it. You've got everything from Kerio to Zone Alarm, there are quite a few so pick one.

You may want to visit a forum such as this for ideas on the better AV's and firewalls out there, but the "perfect" firewall for you can be found later. What's important at the start is having one.

Now, you're safe, comfortable, and ready to go, right? Hold on their my little surfing addicts, you have yet to deal with pop-ups and spyware.

Calm down, this won't take but a little more time, and then you can surf to your heart's content. Let's kill the spyware first. Download, install, and update these programs (these are the most popular and respected, not the only ones out there):

1. Spybot Search and Destroy. Looks for and kills cookies and spyware. Mostly deals with the "harder" spyware types such as Gator. It also has some options to detect tracking cookies and a few other options.

2. Ad-Aware 6. Deals mostly with tracking cookies and spyware caused by many of the ad's that you see plastered on webpages. Very nice and fast program.

3. SpywareBlaster. Now we get to the fun part :-) This little baby, when kept updated, keeps spyware from getting on your computer to begin with.It can also block Flash, which is mostly used now evidently for volleys of ads when you visit some websites. Though keep in mind if you need Flash for something, you have to unblock it within SpywareBlaster.

4. SpywareGuard. Does the same thing as SpywareBlaster. What's important to know is that the programs above compliment each other. That is to say, if you have them all, what Spybot misses, Ad-Aware may catch, or vice versa. same with SpywareBlaster and SpywareGuard.

5. IESpyad. This acts like a web filter of sorts. It places known spyware-filled or otherwise bad websites in your IE restricted sites list. It prevents access to websites that will bombard you with spyware or at least keep them off your system while you view the website.

Often times it will let you view the website, but prevent the sneak installs of spyware, Other times you may not be able to get into the website at all. Don't get mad, you'll appreciate it doing that most of the time.

Now, there is one other thing you need to have. First, you may or may not have heard of a nasty little trojan/hijacker/spyware thing called "CWS". If you want a lot of info on it, you are in the right forum. If you want to kill it, you need CWShredder, a program designed to kill CWS variants and only them.

There are other things you may want to look into, such as MRUBlaster, a cookie/temp files/history/recent files cleaner that does a nice job, but, if you know how to clean up your cookies and all, you won't need.

Another is HijackThis. A program designed to scan your system and let you delete the bad things. Ok, huge warning here, this program is not to be fooled with. It will list things you need, want, and don't want all in one list.

There will be a time probably where you will post a problem you have and someone will ask you to run this program. Do so, but don't delete anything until you have shared the list of things it found with a knowledgeable person in the forum you posted the problem in, such as here. Until you learn what is good and bad, don't touch anything.

Ok, you've got the required programs installed and updated. Now you can start looking at the program help files and learning how to use them, and, you can start seeing whether that antivirus software and firewall you pass muster.

Come in this forum and do a search for the names of your programs, see what is said about them, them go elsewhere for other opinions. Then you can start seeing whether or not you picked the right one for you. Oh yes, test that firewall. Some firewalls have testers built in or you can go somewhere like GRC.com and test it.

You don't want an ineffective firewall or you may as well be without one. Read the results of the test and any explanations/suggestions given. Fix whatever problems it tells you about. If you don't know how, read the help file of your firewall or ask in here.

Ok, programs updated and running, firewall configured and tested to be effective. You are about done here, but one last thing, e-mail protection. Let me make this short and simple, don't give out your e-mail address to any person/website unless it's absolutely a have to.

Even then try giving a Hotmail/Yahoo address instead. This will greatly reduce spam to your real e-mail address. Use your real one for friends and ordering things from legit websites.

Also, there are two security things you need to worry about, especially with Outlook Express or Outlook. These are the Preview Pane and HTML. The Preview Pane allows you to open an e-mail without double-clicking to open it. This is highly unsafe and is a good way to get hit with an e-mail worm or virus.

Disable the Preview Pane by opening up OutLook or Outlook Express, going to Tools, Options, clicking on the Read tab, and making sure "Automatically download message when viewing in the Preview Pane" is unchecked. This is a must.

Now, you should disable HTML in your messages. You don't have to, but be aware that sometimes people imbed hidden coding within HTML coding that can execute hidden commands and really cause some harm. Disable it by staying in Outlook or Outlook Express, staying on the Read tab, and checking the box next to "Read all messages in plain text".

Doing those two things will greatly enhance the security of your e-mail. Ok, guess what? You are released into the Wild West of the Internet! All of these programs I have mentioned can be found in here, so you won't have to search hard and long.

Last thing, NEVER open e-mail attachments you didn't know 100% sure were coming. Then, if you knew they were, verify with the sender that they truly did send it. Some viruses can forge sender names and make you think someone sent you a virus when they didn't.

If they did send it, save it first and run an antivirus scan on it to be positive there is no virus lurking in there. Also do the same with anything you download from the Internet, ALWAYS.

Keep some common sense, if you go surfing for hacking tools or hacked programs, chances are you are going to be open to spyware, viruses, and hacking yourself, same with a lot of porn websites, they will usually be infested with spyware.

Taking precautions and having some common sense will keep you out of 99% of the dangerous or annoying situations the present day Internet can throw at you. Have fun! If I missed out on some points, remember this was for the new people who just hooked that computer up.


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Response Number 4
Name: dw226
Date: March 27, 2004 at 13:00:16 Pacific
Reply:

Ack! I left out pop-up killing! My favorite and the most effective I have used is the Google Toolbar, Find it at Google.com. Read its instructions as there is a setting in there that allows websites you visit to be given to Google.

If you don't want them knowing where you go, turn this option off. The instructions will tell you how to do this and it won't cause any loss of needed functions.


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Response Number 5
Name: JOE
Date: March 27, 2004 at 14:31:54 Pacific
Reply:

I agree with dw226 on that excellent advice.I didn`t notice if a ROUTER was mentioned such as Dlink,LINKSYS,CISCO,but it is also an excellent tool to have.I also use LINUX as a safer Operating system to use when using private info over the internet.There are many safe practices to use when surfing the net,but people have to take the time to learn on what those are.Prevention is a key to safe surfing,and by following dw266 advice,you will find yourself with less problems. PEACE!!!!!!!!!


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Response Number 6
Name: efabes
Date: March 27, 2004 at 16:12:56 Pacific
Reply:

Linux is safer, but it is not immune.

You still need AV for Linux, though there are many fewer viruses that target Linux.

You still need a firewall. Without it, you are inviting any hacker who notices your ip address to come inside and play around

Security threats to Linux will grow as its popularity grows.


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Response Number 7
Name: 50345y
Date: March 27, 2004 at 20:48:33 Pacific
Reply:

Two things i didnot see listed here(in above lists):

1. an Anti-Trojan- Such as TDS-3, Trojan Hunter, & Pest Patrol (all are good anti-trojans, the first two being the better ones).Anti virus programs detect some trojans but not nearly enough for todays world.

2. an Anti-Keylogger- Like Spycop or Pest Patrol(Pest Patrol detects Trojans, spyware, keyloggers ect...)

Two Great sites that have alot of info,security software(alot of it free) & forums like this one where you can post & READ alot of great info on how to better protect yourself are

1.Wilders.org (Wilderssecurity.com- for the forums)

2.Spywareinfo.com

this should keep you busy for awhile. good luck.


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Response Number 8
Name: dw226
Date: March 27, 2004 at 22:41:35 Pacific
Reply:

Joe, you're right, I left out a router. And 50345y is also right, I left out the anti-trojan software.

First the anti-trojan software, that was pure accident. As a beginner, I would choose something like A2, free or paid version. It has a simple interface and is easy to update and run. You don't need to worry about any complicated settings, just run it and if it finds something, take care of it.

TDS-3 is WAY too complicated of a program for new computer users to try and deal with, heck I find it complicated and I have a fairly good idea of what I'm doing.

It's my own humble opinion that key-logging is not going to be of much concern to your every day user. Yes, I'm very aware the software is out there and can be sneakily installed, but, chances are small.

Keyloggers are usually a worry for people that work in an office setting, such as myself. And we indeed do have keyloggers on our systems there, the IT department does not hide it from us.

What will cause the most concern is your "every day" spyware, the gators, toolbars, all that. Now, as far as routers go, sure, if the user is willing to take a couple of hours to go through the manual and configure it, routers are going to help secure the system more.

But, my post was meant for the newest of the new, and I have high doubts they are going to want to drown in security measures 10 minutes after they boot up for the first time. In my opinion, it is better to go from a safe state to the safest state gradually.

Let them be safe enough to venture out into the internet so they can learn more, then apply what they learned to make themselves safer and more knowledgeable in other areas of computing if they so choose.


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Response Number 9
Name: 50345y
Date: March 28, 2004 at 09:00:26 Pacific
Reply:

I'm not trying to contadict you Dw266, but ComputerCell did ask for info on other security products that he did not have listed and it really shouldn't matter if he is a newbie or not, i don't think it is really that complicated(when i was first starting out i wanted as much info as possible and hoped someone would inform me)it is better to know about what's out there and what you can do about it in my opinion than not knowing about it.

As for TDS-3 being too complicated for newbies, yes it can be somewhat overwhelming for a beginner(and even more experienced users)but even on the DiamondCS web site he says that you donot have to use the more advanced features in TDS-3(right away). You can just use the full system scan & the update feature- open TDS-3,click system testing(in upper left), click Full system scan; simple. For update Click the TDS button (in upper left), click update TDS-3 database.That's all there is to it. I would rather have one of the best possible anti-trojans on the market than not, even if i was a complete beginner.


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