As someone very new to all matters antivirus, and somebody directed to this site through frantically trying to get rid of what turned out to be a coolwebsearch hijack, I've particualrly enjoyed the recent post by Martin Crandall (and the many replies it generated) and the response to sunrise's recent post by tank86 and the other replies. As a novice, I am amazed at how so many people on this site with so much more knowledge than me seem to get infected. I appreciate that anyone logged on is at risk, but I can't help thinking that with a firewall, av protection, and a few anti adware and antispyware programmes, you have to search pretty hard around obviously dodgy sites to get infected. Am I being naive here or what? While I'm at it (and to prove I am a novice constantly needing advice) what is the difference between a bug and a virus? I tried to download CLEANUP recently and Microsoft script editor asked me if I wanted to debug. I didn't know what the hell to do really, other than assume there was a problem, and choose all the options that seemed to promise to fix it, which I hope it has. BTW, this is a great forum, I really appreciate all you technically astute regular contributors. Many thanks from a welshman living in England. Cheers

Hi Cliffclyne, Nice post...Unfortunately,virus mostly come in emails..which I have received 3 today..I have all the protection you mentioned and probably more..One has to be able to recognize the ones with a potential virus..One of them received today was from my ISP..(Which it wasn't)telling me that they were changing their email status, for 2 days, and if I wanted to receive email,I would have to open and read the zip file attached, for information..My AV picked it up and deleted the email..Others were from Microsoft..blah,blah...(Also deleted ) Seems like the virus builders are working overtime:-) Got to stay on your toes.. Anyway thanks for the post beansoup "Error: Keyboard not attached." "Press F1 to continue."

hello intersting sight to check out for more info on spyware is to click on the kill spyware in my sig at bottom of post. spy ware these days is getting more and more like viruses and trojins. ••• Resistance is invigorating! •••kill spyware

cliffclyne, thanks for the cudos... anywho.. you would be somewhat correct in your assumption. You would have to search seedy sites to get infected with a vast amount of protection. However, there are sites that appear to be legit that have seedy coding that will infect you just as well. As far as the Cleanup.. what happened... I'm not clear on what you are asking? Tank863 Tankweb.net

Cliffcline Debug has nothing to do with viruses or possible infection! "Bugs" in software are essentially command lines that fail to function as originally intended. To "debug" is to look at the command lines and attempt to ascertain which part is not working correctly and then you attempt to manually fix the problem. This is NOT a job for a novice! Computers work with absolute flawless perfection, until the first person touches them!

Thanks for replies guys. It's an education being here.