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Name: petervans
Date: August 14, 2006 at 10:24:20 Pacific
Subject: AdawareSE closes immediately
OS: XP Home
CPU/Ram: Celeron 1.2GHz
Model/Manufacturer: Fujitsu-Siemens
Comment:

I have a customer who suspected he had some trojan problems and reported a problem with AdAware SE.
I scanned the PC with the usual tools and found nothing really important other than Xolox and Bearshare which are benign.
BHO Demon and SpyBot identify no threat. He is using AVG from GriSoft and this finds no virus activity. A Norton scan from www.sarc.com also finds no trojans or hack stuff.
My problem with this PC is that AdAware SE will only run in "protected mode". In normal mode it starts, shows the defs loading and then terminates immediately.
Does anyone have an idea here?

Thanks
petervans


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Response Number 1
Name: murr
Date: August 14, 2006 at 11:14:22 Pacific
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To be completely honest with you, AdAware SE is pretty well become a useless product.

Give your customer these freebies to install and use.

Superantispyware http://www.superantispyware.com/download.html
Spyware Terminator http://www.spywareterminator.com/

Freebies- Anti-malware

Ewido http://www.ewido.net/en/
A-squared http://www.emsisoft.com/en/software/free/

Spyware Prevention (free) http://www.javacoolsoftware.com/spywareblaster.html


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Response Number 2
Name: XpUser4Real
Date: August 14, 2006 at 11:29:00 Pacific
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I tend to disagree, I use Adaware, as well as Spybot S&D (plus immunization)as well as Spyware Blaster and have had no problems whatsover. To say that Adaware is no longer functional could be only 1 man's opinion.

Hopefully my advice will help you...Please post back with your results....thanks


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Response Number 3
Name: murr
Date: August 14, 2006 at 11:40:25 Pacific
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Well XpUser4Real, 40 years from now you'll still be using the same setup.You want to continue to use it go ahead, but the other products are much better, period!.


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Response Number 4
Name: XpUser4Real
Date: August 14, 2006 at 12:45:40 Pacific
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Perhaps, but, Adaware is still fully functional and works good. Like I said earlier....1 person's opinion, I'm sure many other would differ from that.

Hopefully my advice will help you...Please post back with your results....thanks


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Response Number 5
Name: RandyL
Date: August 15, 2006 at 03:27:09 Pacific
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Hi everyone;

So why is AdAware closing? I don't know. But some programs deliberately disable onboard scanners or can evade them. Perhaps such a program is doing this to AdAware.

BearShare benign? Plenty of people would disagree. Google it. I do know from first hand experience that it can come bundled with loads of other stuff. I've cleaned many machines with it. I once cleaned up a machine of all malware but the owner wouldn't let me remove it. Upon rebooting and connnecting to the internet (high speed), programs re-installed and it was popup city. Right back to square one.

As for Xolox the jury is not in. But the fact is that it is P2P and it was detected along side of bearshare as a potential problem. There might be a reason for this.

To troubleshoot the machines suspected problems such as trojans and malware I would first uninstall all P2P programs as well as known spyware/adware from add/remove programs in the Control Panel.

The next thing I always do is run a full system scan with an antivirus program. Delete all found problems. I have found AVG to be very good but it can't always delete some trojans. How they got on the computer may not be the fault of AVG. They may have been allowed by the user and P2P programs. This usually seems to be the case. Reboot.

Next install, update and run Spybot S&D and AdAware. Reboot.
If prompted let them run at the next startup. Reboot.

Check add/remove programs in the Control Panel.

If anything comes back run Spybot and AdAware again from Safe Mode. Reboot.

Next I run an online virus scan (and pest scan now) and removal program from Trend-Micro called housecall. Reboot.

Next I repeat all of the above steps to see if any problems come back. Remember to check add/remove programs from the control Panel.

If anything else comes back detected it usually is because a program that comes bundled with problems has not yet been removed first.

Sometimes however a DOS detection program and removal method is needed for 95 98 and ME. For that I usually use F-Prot as I am a big fan of free.

Reboot and run run all of the above programs again. Preferably in safe-mode where applicable. Reboot and run all scans again following the above steps.

Keep in mind that when troubleshooting Trojans you should disable and re-enable System Restore to clean them from hiding in the Restore files. (ME and XP) No "PROGRAM" can fix this. It's just a step that needs to be done. All restore points will be lost. Reboot.

More manual detection and removal steps may be needed to clean a system infected with malware. In my opinion using P2P and/or not having decent protection is asking for a problem that can only be fixed by a reinstall or a lot of time, patience and research.

For the record, I have been able to clean every system but sometimes it has taken weeks. Pay a tech and your "free" files are not so free after all if your issue was caused by P2P.

Reboot-run the programs-reboot-etc.

If the problems still come back ask yourself if you have uninstalled the root program problem.

Reboot-run the programs-reboot-etc.

For your information I use these programs for protection and removal.
Mcafee antivirus.
SpywareBlaster.
Sygate Personal firewall.
AdAware.
SpyBot.
SpGuard.

I also use a huge Host file and have optimized my Internet Explorer browsers settings to be more secure than the default settings. But that's another story.

My point is that the issue may lie at the beginning of your post.
P2P and bundled programs.
It may take some doing to undo the damage manually.

The problem may not be with AdAware it may be with crapware.
Uninstall the so called benign ware.
Methodically go through the cleanup proccesses.

Uninstall and reinstall AdAware.
Update it.
Run it.

Repeat all of the above steps over and over and over.

Charge your customer by the hour.
Perhaps a few thousand dollars.
Or format and reinstall everything.

Protection or free files.
Choose.

XpUser4Real
I'm with you. Tried and true programs.
Just my opinion put to the test over and over.

RandyL


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Response Number 6
Name: murr
Date: August 15, 2006 at 05:08:56 Pacific
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"For the record, I have been able to clean every system but sometimes it has taken weeks."

Using 'AdAware' and 'SpyBot', that time frame doesn't surprise me.lol!.


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Response Number 7
Name: XpUser4Real
Date: August 15, 2006 at 07:27:44 Pacific
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murr, I wouldn't talk if I were you, I've seen you start HJT posts and had to have someone else finish them....coincidence? Reminds me a bit of someone else awhile back, but hey, we all mistakes and believe me, I've made many. Like Randy, I've had some PC's that have taken more time than I'd like..BUT..somehow I always get them going. I think I've used almost every kind of cleaner available and I don't think twice of trying something new.

Hopefully my advice will help you...Please post back with your results....thanks


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Response Number 8
Name: murr
Date: August 15, 2006 at 15:23:57 Pacific
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This will be my last responce in this thread as it is not leading anywhere 'Positive'.

XpUser4Real

I've been trying to learn more about 'Malware Removal and Cleaning' in order to help out here as 'Jabuck' can't be here 24/7.But at least i'm trying which i can't say the same for you!


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Response Number 9
Name: XpUser4Real
Date: August 15, 2006 at 15:39:07 Pacific
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murr, Stepped on a nerve? Sorry, actually if you look into alot of threads you will see that I try whole-heartedly to help people in the best way possible. BUT, I try not to tread water in my posts, I'm usually quite prompt on my replies and if I'm at a loss, I won't hesitate to ask for someone else's help. It's been a pleasure....no harm meant.

Hopefully my advice will help you...Please post back with your results....thanks


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Response Number 10
Name: petervans
Date: August 17, 2006 at 08:21:03 Pacific
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Hi to everyone,

I've stayed out of this for good reason. I worked in field support for many years and I know how these contests go.
Anyway, I've done all that was suggested and I am not comfortable with his bearshare and P2P SW which he "needs". So that's his thing.
It's just that I've never seen a machine so "blocked" that Adware was not even INSTALLABLE - I had to do this in "safe" mode.
If he wants to invite disaster with shared music then nobody can help him. Cleaning this machine is only a temporary thing. I'll recommend one of the alternatives and let it go.
Interesting string of dialogs here.....

BTW: I even tried deactivating the "known processes" option and it still won't run.
Thanks again for the info and entertainment and let's keep focused on why this forum exists after all.
Many regards
petervans


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Response Number 11
Name: murr
Date: August 17, 2006 at 17:50:16 Pacific
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LOL!.

How's that for free entertainment!.


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