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Where are the programers
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Name: Adriel
Date: November 7, 2005 at 19:13:12 Pacific
Subject: Where are the programers OS: N/ACPU/Ram: N/A |
Comment: I feel that this forum lack of programers. I see more "zeros" in the replies than answers. In other forums I see lots of post and replies so long as my back yard. I know that all forums are not the same but they hide some kind of relation. I understand that some people want their homeworks made by others because they are lazy and they just care only for the points that will get in their assignment but they aren't learning nothing. Not all people in this forum are with the same intentions and I feel that they judge then all with the same price and is not fair. I post a program since thursday and someone remove it. I post it again and if I have an answer is some kind of joke. I think that this forum is more for a waste of typing time than a "Help & or Support". I'm disappointed.
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Response Number 1
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Name: wizard-fred
Date: November 7, 2005 at 20:24:27 Pacific
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Reply: (edit)Your last post was probably better than your others but it was a bit long. You did try and showed your attempt at solving the problem. But you didn't specify the language (assumed C from you program fragment)? Interesting title '(creating a program)', but maybe too broad. There is a bias against homework questions unless presented with an attempted solution and interest. People usually answer in their area of expertise.
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Response Number 3
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Name: Mechanix2Go
Date: November 8, 2005 at 02:31:49 Pacific
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Reply: (edit)Hi, As wizard-fred says, the title is too broad. Like him, I assumed it was C. When I tried to compile it, I got these errors: Error adr.c 11: Declaration syntax error Error adr.c 31: Unexpected } Error adr.c 38: Declaration syntax error That would seem to be a strong hint as to where to look for the problem. I'm no programmer, but my guess is that real programmers have real jobs and real lives.
If at first you don't succeed, you're about average.M2
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Response Number 4
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Name: Chi Happens
Date: November 8, 2005 at 03:44:13 Pacific
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Reply: (edit)I have been under crunch-time at work (releasing a product) so I haven't frequented the forums (this is my first free moment). The big thing is this. No one wants to give you answers for homework. Mostly because they have had to work hard to learn programming languages themselves and know that it requires some intelligence to do so. We have a pride about what we do and we don't necessarily want everyone who thinks that programming might be cool, to pass a programming class without gaining any knowledge. Typically we expect the following to be done: 1) Give a meaningful title to the post (like "Linked-List Problem") 2) Within the first few lines let us know what language it is (people just starting out do not realize this, but many of the most popular languages look the same. Java, C, C++, C#, PERL) 3) Try to be specific about what your problem is. Don't say "I can't get the linked-list to work." say "I create my linked-list and add some nodes, but then I can't get the nodes back in order." 4) Post more than 2 lines of your code (unless you have narrowed the issue down to those 2 lines) so that we know that you have tried something. 5) If you figure something out on your own, let us know 6) If something someone posts helps, thank them and let others know what else you might have discovered. 7) As you gain knowledge and experience, stay active in the community and help others. 8) Don't be oversensitive, we are a sarcastic, proud, sometimes obnoxious, and always nerdy, society. You wanna play with us? Expect some cutting advice, criticism, and point-blank call outs. Hope this helps, Chi They mostly come at night...mostly.
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Response Number 5
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Name: SN
Date: November 8, 2005 at 06:31:20 Pacific
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Reply: (edit)I reply a lot less these days because this is the breakdown of questions that are asked: 30% - Questions I don't know the answer to and am not interested enough in the topic to research them. 30% - Trivial questions I've answered before or are easily found by any google-searching moron. 5% - Questions I am interested in but the scope of the problem is too big for me to research or to answer in a forum setting. 5% - Questions I answer. 5% - Questions I would answer, but the last time I answered that person they never replied back to say whether or not my suggestion worked, so I see no point in trying again. 20% - Homework questions where the user made no attempt at the problem and no explanation as to at what point they get stuck in. Or the place they got stuck in was so general and obvious that there's no hope of them ever becoming a programmer so I don't bother. Yours, sadly, falls under this last category. You got the user i/o, but didn't attempt the function definition, an algorithm for doing the calculation, some pseudocode, NOTHING! Just a general "I'm lost here." You're telling me you don't even know how to calculate price from quantity and unit price??? If that's the case, there's truly no hope for you. -SN
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Response Number 8
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Name: Adriel
Date: November 9, 2005 at 20:11:26 Pacific
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Reply: (edit) Mech, Chi I'm conscientious that people work so my excuses I do to also my the program was in C++. I been trying and I will so thanks. MR. SN! and I guess that's to much for you because you don't even have a nick only 2 consonant together;
"""" You're telling me you don't even know how to calculate price from quantity and unit price??? If that's the case, there's truly no hope for you.""""" Yes and I'm telling you that your very lucky that your not in front of me saying that comment because you wouldn't or you better get start running. Let me notice that you can be good as "programer" but you probably skip Education and seems your poor in values too that make you one of the worse thing that this earth spit out. I have education and values but since you played dirty I will play dirty too. I really don't know how can you be a moderator or whatever you are in this page but you aren't allow to offend people. Then they said to people "watch" your type and or comment while a "moderator" it's offending people. That's like preaching the moral in underwear. I see that you are one of those that type then later think so before starting to post open 2 windows one with the post and the other with the rules. (to remind them) I see that you build a program of percent that was 30% + 30% + 5% + 5% + 5% + 20% = 95% and the 5% missing is what you have between values and Education.
Adriel Mattler
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Response Number 9
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Name: Mechanix2Go
Date: November 10, 2005 at 04:48:04 Pacific
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Reply: (edit)The link below takes you to a site that is much more active. I don't think SN needs a math lesson. I think he was speaking figuratively [figuratively speaking]. You may get improved mileage if you lose the attitude. http://forums.devshed.com/f16/s If at first you don't succeed, you're about average.M2
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Response Number 10
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Name: SN
Date: November 10, 2005 at 06:28:58 Pacific
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Reply: (edit)"Yes and I'm telling you that your very lucky that your not in front of me saying that comment because you wouldn't or you better get start running" I'll get start running immediately. "Let me notice that you can be good as "programer" but you probably skip Education and seems your poor in values too that make you one of the worse thing that this earth spit out." Ironically, it's the opposite...I'm not that good of a programmer, but I did get a B.S.E. from ASU in it. "I really don't know how can you be a moderator or whatever you are in this page but you aren't allow to offend people" I'm not a moderator...But if you were offended you have nobody but yourself to blame. I said the bare truth without any aimless insults at you personally, your values, or even mentioning the earth that 'spit you out'. I'm sorry, but if you really don't know that final price = unit price * quantity, then there really is no hope for you becoming a programmer until you acquire some basic math skills. Much like there is really no hope for me to become a professional basketball player until I get some basic 'leaving my chair' skills. That's not "playing dirty", that's telling the truth as I see it. You need to learn the difference, or you'll be offended by every programmer you meet. "30% + 30% + 5% + 5% + 5% + 20% = 95% and the 5% missing is what you have between values and Education." Well you've definitely got me on the not adding up to 100% part...I'm not sure what you're saying about the other 5%, but it's definitely not education. You may have a point on values...But since neither my education nor my values have any impact on the questions that are posted, I'll go ahead and give the extra 5% to the 'problems I'm interested in but they're too big for a forum setting' category. "SN! and I guess that's to much for you because you don't even have a nick only 2 consonant together;" Remind me to cry myself to sleep tonight. -SN
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Response Number 11
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Name: Adriel
Date: November 11, 2005 at 19:19:11 Pacific
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Reply: (edit)If you don’t understand what I’m trying to said to bad. Since your “first post” I just see a destructive criticism that is the opposed of constructive criticism but unfortunately you don’t see the difference between them. “””5% - Questions I would answer, but the last time I answered that person they never replied back to say whether or not my suggestion worked, so I see no point in trying again.””” Let me remind you that not all the people are the same. ((“You're telling me you don't even know how to calculate price from quantity and unit price??? If that's the case, there's truly no hope for you.” “but the last time I answered that person they never replied back to say whether or not my suggestion worked, so I see no point in trying again.”” )) But if those are your usual suggestion & or answers to a person, probably ignore you. It might be no hope for me “as you said” but then you’re completely useless with your support. Adriel Mattler
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Response Number 12
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Name: len (by leonard j)
Date: November 29, 2005 at 20:47:45 Pacific
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Reply: (edit)Adriel. Please learn to speak proper English. It will help you avoid any unnecessary emotional problems. Programming can be tedious, time consuming, confusing, rewarding, sometimes boring, and at times down right challenging. The last thing you need is the added stress of upsetting yourself because you can't think or communicate clearly. Education is irrelevant if all you have is a piece of paper that claims you are more capable than you really are and intellect is useless if you lack the ACADEMIC discipline to use it properly. You may be struggling with some personal problems that need to be addressed. If that is the case, we definitely can't help you.
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