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TCPA / Pallidum

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Name: TCPA
Date: June 17, 2003 at 21:55:19 Pacific
OS: Windows XP Professional +
CPU/Ram: AMD Athelon XP 2100+, 512
Comment:

FREE! GET YOUR COPYWRIGHT NOW! FREE OF CHARGE!

actually, you can take that word for word.

Every document. Every file. Everything you install will have to go through complex copywright protection checking. If anything fails, your system will erase itself. Your TCPA Complaint AMI Bios will send all of your passwords (well, not intentionally*) to Microsoft's central server and then to the FBI.

That means no more dowlaoding music through kazaa. No more saving your documents from work / school and opening on your home computer. No more free software like Linux, Java, and others. And last but not least, NO MORE HACKERS!

Oh, and if you do think someones gona try and hack it, your WRONG, because microsoft is shure that it has a system to stop it once and for all

- Especially since most good hackers dont use Microsoft to launch their prefered attacks :-)




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Response Number 1
Name: Don Arnett
Date: June 17, 2003 at 22:49:10 Pacific
Reply:

uhh... instead of "COPYWRIGHT ", I think that you meant "copyright".

As for the rest of your post, I don't know what you are talking about. I suspect that two of the people that have posted so far in this thread don't know what you're talking about.


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Response Number 2
Name: SN
Date: June 17, 2003 at 23:09:16 Pacific
Reply:

Make that three people in this thread that have no idea what you're talking about. Java is not going to be free anymore? BIOSes are connecting to the internet (meaning they'll have to have a wide variety of network and modem drivers and have the ability to open sockets, etc...Little complex for a BIOS don't you think?)

As for the "everything you install will go through a complex copyright validation system..." What a bunch of bull. So every document I write in word has to be validated, as well as every cd I play, etc. This would put enormous strain on even today's computers, and would be cake to get around. Disallowing saving a document on one computer and opening on another would put most businesses (and the economy) to a screeching halt. Anyone implementing this would be committing financial suicide.

Ah, well if MS is "shure" that they've stopped hackers (do you even know what a hacker is?) then we can all rest at ease. They have such a great track record with producing technology exactly as promised.

And while we're on the spelling error topic, My BIOS may compile and it may comply, but it hardly ever complains. shure, your, dont, dowlaoding, gona, and the list goes on.

So how do I get my free "copywright" again?

You're a moron.
-SN

P.S. Don - My wife says she loves you. She thinks you're the funniest.


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Response Number 3
Name: Sci-Guy
Date: June 17, 2003 at 23:20:43 Pacific
Reply:

Come on guys, give him the benefit of the doubt. If you look at his homepage, you'll see that he is newly A+ certified. Heaven help us all. LOL.


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Response Number 4
Name: micah
Date: June 18, 2003 at 01:55:31 Pacific
Reply:

I can't spell, does that make me an idiot SN?

...

Wait, don't answer that:ž

Although TCPA was pretty far out there he had some truth in his incoherent little post. Even though I feel stupider for reading such a post, I'll attempt to add some of my mindless thoughts...

Palladium is a STD if anyone cared. The full name is "Treponema pallidum" gill bates must have it or something since he initially named his new security crap after it.

Palladium is a new platform microsloft is working on where the applications and vendor can communicate "securely" The goal being media and software companies can sell a product that is will be decrypted and run on the Palladium platform. And some how you arent suppose to be able to copy it. According to one site:

"They will be able to sell you CDs that you'll only be able to play three times, or only on your birthday. All sorts of new marketing possibilities will open up."

...

Why would anyone want to buy a CD that will only play on their PC just 3 times. What the crap?

"TCPA / Palladium will also make it much harder for you to run unlicensed software. Pirate software can be detected and deleted remotely. It will also make it easier for people to rent software rather than buying it; and if you stop paying the rent, then not only does the software stop working but so may the files it created."

You know what? I like my unlicened software.

Also, this whole platform needs special hardware. Your motherboard will have a "fritz" chip that controls your boot. It checks your BIOS and the first part of your OS among other things. And guess what? Linux operating systems will not pass microslofts "trusted software" and therefore will not boot. Hmmm...I wonder if the Pallidum platfrom is to protect copyright law...or could it be microslofts new scheme to kill *Linux*

The whole system sucks and will violate our privacy. But, it will in no way stop hackers. It will only make them more determined. I personally would devote my life to cracking every security feature and just plain ticking off microsloft as much as I can if this crap actually comes out. I may be using this same computer 10 years from now, but I will not run anything with such "secruity" and copyright protection features.

-Micah


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Response Number 5
Name: Don Arnett
Date: June 18, 2003 at 06:52:43 Pacific
Reply:

Ever heard of spell checkers? Posting with spelling like the original post doesn't make you look like a genius. You can always use the lazy person's (gotta by PC here) excuse of "I don't got time for spell checking" - but that doesn't stop people from developing impressions based upon poor spelling. Bad spelling doesn't make you an idiot, but it does make you look like one.

Back to the original topic - while I don't have a problem with companies (even Microsoft) trying to protect/enforce legitimate use of their products, I agree that Microsoft is leading the charge over the edge. I'd like to say that maybe their over-reaction is a result of the rampant and seemingly unrepentent stealing of their product, but some of their new practices step way over the line. That is one reason I've started switching to linux.

While MS may be researching all of the things that you both listed above, I can't imagine some of it reaching the consumer market. Not allowing any OS other the Windows wouldn't hold up very long in the courts (let alone in the courts of public opinion).

SN - that makes one woman that loves me, well, two, counting my mom - does she (your wife, not my mom) have a sister??


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Response Number 6
Name: SN
Date: June 18, 2003 at 09:52:59 Pacific
Reply:

The spelling thing was a bonus...I'm not a perfect speller and neither is Don (unrepentent?) but the moron thing came from:

a) Shameless exaggeration
b) No point - Where are we supposed to get our "Free copyright?" How will this help us?
c) Putting up two threads for the same topic
d) Actually believing even MS would be foolish enough to implement some of this stuff. Some aspects of it are reasonable, but it's quite obvious that most of what is claimed would only hurt Microsoft, as well as most other businesses out there. It does no good to stop piracy if you do it by completely destroying the practicality of your product.
e) Believing anything will stop hackers (as a group) in their tracks.
f) Not doing any research. With very little effort, I was able to dig up enough info in palladium and NGSCB to find out some of the basics of what it really does and doesn't do...Check out this snippet:

"Third, unlike “anti-piracy” proposals endorsed by some content owners, no nexus-aware application can censor, monitor, or disable another nexus-aware application—or in fact any software running on a user's machine—without the user's permission. This central principle of NGSCB—that machine owners, whether they are individual consumers or organizations, are in complete control of their machines and the programs they run—is in stark contrast with some current proposals that would mandate that all machines include monitoring systems that could arbitrarily disable content or programs. Enhancements to Windows under the NGSCB architecture have no mechanism for filtering content, nor do they provide a mechanism for proactively searching the Internet for "illegal" content."

See the whole FAQ here
Heck I'll throw spelling in there for kicks.
-SN


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Response Number 7
Name: Don Arnett
Date: June 18, 2003 at 10:06:52 Pacific
Reply:

I threw in 'unrepentent' because I didn't want to show off.


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Response Number 8
Name: SN
Date: June 18, 2003 at 11:37:21 Pacific
Reply:

I no dawn - yore da esence uf humelility
-NS


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Response Number 9
Name: Dr. Nick
Date: June 19, 2003 at 16:36:24 Pacific
Reply:

Lol, what a great thread.

I think what our buddy TCPA was trying to say (although he failed miserably) is discussed in this article.

Btw, I do agree that seplling and grmmar hasa big impakt in which pople thinka boujt uo.


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