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Name: longman2006
Date: May 3, 2005 at 18:06:43 Pacific
OS: win98se
CPU/Ram: P2-400/256PC100
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hey everyone,
i want to start programming because it soundslike alot of fun and ive read that it's better to leave it to the younger kids(like me) so i started reading "The idiot's guide to vb6" and i enjoyed it and learned a lot but im at a drawbac, i dont know what i want to program or create a program at all, my first project was to try and build an osbut that is totally out of the question. What can i do with programming because i dont want to quit, i know a lot about computers and everything and i learning basic programmming with visual basic but where do i go now, im at a stopsign and im lost, please guide mesomeone!!
I am desperate and i wanna learn to program liek a pro over time!

Thx in advance!!!



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Response Number 1
Name: StuartS
Date: May 3, 2005 at 18:14:56 Pacific
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>> ive read that it's better to leave it to the younger kids(like me) <<

Don't you believe it. there is no substitute for experience.

As for what to programme, just let your imagination wander. One of the best attributes a programmer can have is the ability to think outside the box. Throw the box away and start thinking.

IF you want something to start on, just start writing yourself a simple name and address application off your friends and relations. As your ability improves, you will think of things to add and over time it could become comprehensive application.

Stuart


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Response Number 2
Name: Michael J (by mjdamato)
Date: May 3, 2005 at 21:19:17 Pacific
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My suggestion is find something you are interested in and write a program for that. For instance, if you are into music write a program to catalog your CD collection. There are others that are already available, but it's the process of programming that will give you experience.

Also, one method I used when learning a new language was to program something with the commands and functions I was comfortable with. Then later, find a command or function that I didn't quite understand how it worked and then find a specific reason to use it.

Michael J


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Response Number 3
Name: Mechanix2Go
Date: May 3, 2005 at 22:49:37 Pacific
Reply:

Hi Stuart,

Yeah, but there's also no substitute for youth, enthusiasm & boundless energy. But in our sunset years, those are not options.

noob,

VB is not exactly 'basic'. {although it may be BASIC.]

If you can't dream up a project, look for a real problem that needs solving.


M2


If at first you don't succeed, you're about average.


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Response Number 4
Name: StuartS
Date: May 4, 2005 at 07:28:32 Pacific
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>> but there's also no substitute for youth, enthusiasm & boundless energy <<

The enthusiasm is standing up to pressure but I have to admit, the boundless energy is getting in short supply.

Stuart


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Response Number 5
Name: longman2006
Date: May 4, 2005 at 14:23:02 Pacific
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hey evyerone,
thx for all of your replies and i think ill try and write up a program for making an address book like someone suggested aove, but whow?? i can make text boxes and even write a menu program but i dont know ewhat to put inside my program, a box, a trextbox, buttons, etc???
im only 15 AND I WANNA LEARN!!! but i just don't know how to start from scratch plz help me out!


Thx in advance!!!


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Response Number 6
Name: zoddy
Date: May 4, 2005 at 17:16:17 Pacific
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ah.. you have to learn the basics before you can even touch visual basic. once you mastered all the lingo, then you can proceed with visual basic.

words like, variables, for loops, if statements, arrays, switch/case statements, functions... then you can start programming anything.

perhaps take a class? or get a good boook?


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Response Number 7
Name: StuartS
Date: May 4, 2005 at 18:31:24 Pacific
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Start by reading the VB help files. There is a lot of information in there.

The first thing to do is learn to use the VB IDE, it is a powerful tool with many facilities that even I don't use even after eight years of VB. There are also a lot of sample applications on the VB6 CD which will give you an idea of how things are done. Run a couple of them through the debugger and see what is happening.

There is also a sample database application called Visdata. Have a good look at that and it will show you how a database application works in VB.

In short you have a lot of reading to do, don't expect to be an expert in a week, just take it one bit at a time.

AS Zoddy suggest, get a book on general programming principals. The same principals apply to all programming languages. However, such a book will probably use BASIC to illustrate the principles.

Stuart


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Response Number 8
Name: Wolfbone
Date: May 5, 2005 at 23:24:38 Pacific
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However, such a book will probably use BASIC to illustrate the principles.

Presumably by general programming principles, you mean just the principles of imperative and OO programming? There are books and courses treating most of the major paradigms entirely in Scheme - but BASIC?

Anyway, isn't there something more suitable for a beginning programmer than a heavyweight IDE designed for professionals? Even without regard to matters of pedagogic suitability and efficacy of languages like VB,Java,C,C++, surely there must be a DrScheme for VB or something similar?


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Response Number 9
Name: StuartS
Date: May 5, 2005 at 23:52:05 Pacific
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Wolfbone,

The thread was started by fifteen year old kid that barley knows the difference between a bit and a byte.

Using bit worlds like that in a thread like this serves no useful purpose other than to cause consternation and confusion.


Stuart


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Response Number 10
Name: Mechanix2Go
Date: May 6, 2005 at 00:29:13 Pacific
Reply:

If I was 15 I would learn asm c++ and one of java/perl/php.

Then I'd retire at age 25.

M2


If at first you don't succeed, you're about average.


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Response Number 11
Name: longman2006
Date: May 6, 2005 at 07:51:26 Pacific
Reply:

thx everyone and i do know more that bits and bytes lol i learned that like four yrs ago!
anyways i know all about loops and if, and statements and variables and all and ive done lots of research and all but i don't know how to incorporate that language and stuff into a program

Thx in advance!!!


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Response Number 12
Name: zoddy
Date: May 6, 2005 at 09:43:12 Pacific
Reply:

oh then thats a matter of design. imagine what an address program would look like. and build it. draw it on paper if you have to. maybe it would look like:

Name: Jon Doe
Address: 123 Main Street
City: Smallville

and maybe it would have buttons like: [add][delete][edit]
so when you click ADD. a blank form comes up... you fill it in and click SAVE. then the address would be added with the new information.

its all up your design.


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