Ok i`m currently connected to a sql database and i want to display some info from there into a datagrid without using Adodc, please help thanks Ant.

use adodb connection and recordset and build the grid yourself. If you don't need all the "special" functonality of the data grid (namely the bold lines between each cell and the ability to know which cell you are editing) then use a listview in detail mode with gridlines on. both items work about the same Dim CN as ADODB.Connection DIM RS as ADODB.RecordSet Dim NewItem as ListItem Set CN = New ADODB.Connection Set RS = New ADODB.RecordSet CN.Open "DSN=DataServiceName" ' or complete connection string RS.OPen "SELECT * FROM MYTABLE",CN Do While Not RS.EOF Set NewItem = ListView1.Items.Add() NewItem.Text = RS("SOMEFIELD") NewItem.ListSubItems.Add(RS("SOMEOTHERFIELD")) RS.MoveNext Loop RS.Close CN.Close Set RS = Nothing 'vitally important for memory leaks avoidance Set CN = Nothing 'same Hope This Helps, Chi They mostly come at night...mostly