In article <0049e038$0$14650$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, John Doe <jdoe@usenetlove.invalid> wrote: > IPhones had FireWire support? the ipod originally was firewire only. pc support was added with the 2nd gen ipod but it required a firewire card and music match software. usb support was added in the 3rd gen ipod when the dock connector was introduced, along with itunes for windows a few months later. firewire sync was dropped with the 5th gen ipods, but they could still charge over firewire, and much faster since firewire can source far more current than usb can. the original iphone and ipod touch supported firewire charging, but all remnants of firewire have been dropped with the iphone 3g and the latest ipods. archived from misc.phone.mobile.iphone

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In article <050720091227234623%star@sky.net>, Davoud <star@sky.net> wrote: > > One piece of advice. Be sure to configure your router to > > always assign the same ip address to your iPhone. That > > way, you can create a desktop shortcut without having > > to reconfigure it every time. > > On the Mac a network device shows up regardless of the IP address. It's > a Unix thing, the ability to display all computers on the same subnet > without the user having to configure anything. actually that's bonjour, which is built-in on macs and iphones and can be installed for windows. archived from misc.phone.mobile.iphone

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jc : > Files is pretty good. Of course nothing is as good as the old system > of making it just look like a USB disk, but "Apple knows best...". Uh, I would say it's the Windows world that is guiding this. You see, before Apple realized that their mobile products _had_ to be Windows-compatible in order to sell big, we had FireWire--superior in speed to USB, including USB 2 (FW 800). But, as the old-time Morse-code radio operators used to say, you have to send for the slowest guy on the net, and since Windows-only machines have spotty FW support, Apple switched its mobile devices to USB. Macheads understood, but were disappointed to be dragged down once more by Windows. > One piece of advice. Be sure to configure your router to > always assign the same ip address to your iPhone. That > way, you can create a desktop shortcut without having > to reconfigure it every time. On the Mac a network device shows up regardless of the IP address. It's a Unix thing, the ability to display all computers on the same subnet without the user having to configure anything. Davoud -- usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm archived from misc.phone.mobile.iphone

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In article <050720091759024416%star@sky.net>, Davoud <star@sky.net> wrote: > > IPhones had FireWire support? > > You missed the point. The iPhone _would_ have been a FW device if it > had not been necessary for Apple to cripple its mobile devices for the > all-important Windows market. it doesn't really matter since the speed of flash is slower than either usb or firewire. the only drawback is that charging is slower via usb. > > Everything is USB nowadays. > > Everything that doesn't need the best possible throughput. My video > cameras, my external HD's are FireWire. Anyway, we should all be > grateful that the Windows world followed Apple's lead in installing USB > on its computers; we would be using RS232 and 5-1/4" floppies > otherwise. actually pcs had usb before apple did, but since the imac had no serial ports, manufacturers jumped on the opportunity to sell usb devices, whereas pcs back then had old and new style ports so most people kept using the peripherals they already had. archived from misc.phone.mobile.iphone

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In article <0049e038$0$14650$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, John Doe <jdoe@usenetlove.invalid> wrote: > >> Files is pretty good. Of course nothing is as good as the old > >> system of making it just look like a USB disk, but "Apple knows > >> best...". > > > > Uh, I would say it's the Windows world that is guiding this. You > > see, before Apple realized that their mobile products _had_ to be > > Windows-compatible in order to sell big, we had FireWire--superior > > in speed to USB, including USB 2 (FW 800). But, as the old-time > > Morse-code radio operators used to say, you have to send for the > > slowest guy on the net, and since Windows-only machines have spotty > > FW support, Apple switched its mobile devices to USB. > > IPhones had FireWire support? No, but iPods did. And the original iPhone can charge over a firewire connection cable. -- Member National Rifle Association Member American Civil Liberties Union Member Human Rights Campaign archived from misc.phone.mobile.iphone

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Davoud <star@sky.net> wrote: > jc : >> Files is pretty good. Of course nothing is as good as the old system >> of making it just look like a USB disk, but "Apple knows best...". > > Uh, I would say it's the Windows world that is guiding this. You see, > before Apple realized that their mobile products _had_ to be > Windows-compatible in order to sell big, we had FireWire--superior in > speed to USB, including USB 2 (FW 800). But, as the old-time Morse-code > radio operators used to say, you have to send for the slowest guy on > the net, and since Windows-only machines have spotty FW support, Apple > switched its mobile devices to USB. IPhones had FireWire support? The USB has been king for a long time now. Everything is USB nowadays. If you want to continue along that line, I guess you could call it "bad planning". My guess is that it has to do with portability, like Java. If you are Apple, portability is all you have. Whatever... If you want to start a PC/Apple war, knock yourselves out. I am here because of a (preliminarily) stunningly impressive handheld device. Good luck and have fun. archived from misc.phone.mobile.iphone

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Davoud wrote: > > Uh, I would say it's the Windows world that is guiding this. You see, > > before Apple realized that their mobile products _had_ to be > > Windows-compatible in order to sell big, we had FireWire--superior in > > speed to USB, including USB 2 (FW 800). But, as the old-time Morse-code > > radio operators used to say, you have to send for the slowest guy on > > the net, and since Windows-only machines have spotty FW support, Apple > > switched its mobile devices to USB. John Doe: > IPhones had FireWire support? You missed the point. The iPhone _would_ have been a FW device if it had not been necessary for Apple to cripple its mobile devices for the all-important Windows market. > The USB has been king for a long time now. With you, perhaps. > Everything is USB nowadays. Everything that doesn't need the best possible throughput. My video cameras, my external HD's are FireWire. Anyway, we should all be grateful that the Windows world followed Apple's lead in installing USB on its computers; we would be using RS232 and 5-1/4" floppies otherwise. > If you are Apple, portability is all you have. That and the world's best computer operating system! > Whatever... If you want to start a PC/Apple war, knock yourselves out. I am > here because of a (preliminarily) stunningly impressive handheld device. If you think the iPhone is stunningly impressive, you should try a Mac sometime. Same company, same philosophy, same insanely great user experience, same control over hardware and OS--because it works better that way. Davoud -- usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm archived from misc.phone.mobile.iphone

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In article <060720090911166028%star@sky.net>, Davoud <star@sky.net> wrote: > > actually pcs had usb before apple did > > But it was Apple that popularized USB. it helped but it would have happened anyway. > > but since the imac had no serial ports > > Bzzzzzt! Every Mac had at least one serial port before the USB days. bzzt what? the imac was the first mac with usb and had no serial ports. archived from misc.phone.mobile.iphone

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Davoud: > > Everything that doesn't need the best possible throughput. My video > > cameras, my external HD's are FireWire. Anyway, we should all be > > grateful that the Windows world followed Apple's lead in installing USB > > on its computers; we would be using RS232 and 5-1/4" floppies > > otherwise. nospam: > actually pcs had usb before apple did But it was Apple that popularized USB. > but since the imac had no serial ports Bzzzzzt! Every Mac had at least one serial port before the USB days. Davoud -- usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm archived from misc.phone.mobile.iphone

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In article <h2t6i6$93v$1@drwalpurgis.motzarella.org>, Dr Martin van Nostrum <van.nostrum@theinstitute.ch> wrote: > >>> actually pcs had usb before apple did > >> > >> But it was Apple that popularized USB. > > > > it helped but it would have happened anyway. > > Bollocks would it. The iMac is the reason USB became the de facto standard. it may have accelerated it because all of a sudden there were a lot of usb accessories, but it would have happened without the imac. > People have short memories. I can recall the many pundits in the press > who said the original iMac as doomed because it had no serial/parallel > ports and no floppy disc drive. pundits have been calling for apple's demise for decades. archived from misc.phone.mobile.iphone

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nospam: > > > but since the imac had no serial ports Davoud: > > Bzzzzzt! Every Mac had at least one serial port before the USB days. nospam again: > bzzt what? the imac was the first mac with usb and had no serial ports. My mistake. I misread and misinterpreted your phrase as "but since the (early) Macs had no serial ports..." Davoud -- usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm archived from misc.phone.mobile.iphone

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On 2009-07-06 15:00:07 +0100, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> said: >>> actually pcs had usb before apple did >> >> But it was Apple that popularized USB. > > it helped but it would have happened anyway. Bollocks would it. The iMac is the reason USB became the de facto standard. People have short memories. I can recall the many pundits in the press who said the original iMac as doomed because it had no serial/parallel ports and no floppy disc drive. Sometimes people have to be led into the future. It's what Apple has always done. archived from misc.phone.mobile.iphone

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Davoud <star@sky.net> wrote: > Todd Allcock: > > > The same by a few orders of magnitude perhaps, like a kid's "finger paint" > > program is the same as CAD application! ;) > > You are probably aware that an iPhone app, "Brushes," (finger painting) > was used to create a cover for The New Yorker Magazine. Getting one's > art on a New Yorker cover is a _major_ coup in the art world. This is > the first reported instance of any art created on a telephone appearing > on the cover of a magazine. :-) But it was only that it was made on the iPhone what qualified that finger painting to be cover worthy - not the application itself. If the app were running on Windows or MacOS, they never would have put the same result on the cover. -- In a world without walls and fences, who needs windows and gates? archived from misc.phone.mobile.iphone

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