Here's what we know so far of what is in the upcoming update: * iPhone 3GS - When you're trimming your videos you now have the option of saving the original video by tapping the "Save as copy" button. * Voice Control will finally working over bluetooth * When you move your icons around the iPhone vibrates * MMS is enabled by default but does not work for AT&T users * The AT&T profile is updated to 4.2 * Improvements to OpenGL and Quartz * There's now a VideoEditorController API - Allows third party apps to call up video editing UI * Video picker API http://www.quickpwn.com/2009/06/wha... archived from misc.phone.mobile.iphone

In article <Nospam-04536B.23141001072009@news.giganews.com>, iPhone News <Nospam@NOSPAM.net> wrote: > Here's what we know so far of what is in the upcoming update: > > * iPhone 3GS - When you're trimming your videos you now have the option > of saving the original video by tapping the "Save as copy" button. > > * Voice Control will finally working over bluetooth > > * When you move your icons around the iPhone vibrates > > * MMS is enabled by default but does not work for AT&T users > > * The AT&T profile is updated to 4.2 > > * Improvements to OpenGL and Quartz > > * There's now a VideoEditorController API - Allows third party apps to > call up video editing UI > > * Video picker API > > http://www.quickpwn.com/2009/06/wha... "s--- we shouldn't have pushed it out the door without" archived from misc.phone.mobile.iphone

iPhone News <Nospam NOSPAM.net> wrote: > Here's what we know so far of what is in the upcoming update: > > * iPhone 3GS - When you're trimming your videos you now have the option > of saving the original video by tapping the "Save as copy" button. > > * Voice Control will finally working over bluetooth That is funny IMO... At the link posted, the grammar is okay. Apparently the nym-shifting fanboy spammer troll does not use the most fundamental computing tool, copy and paste. Speaking of morons... > > > Path: news.astraweb.com!border1.newsrouter.astraweb.com!feed.news.qwest.net!mpls-nntp-07.inet.qwest.net!216.196.98.141.MISMATCH!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!backlog2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail > NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 22:14:11 -0500 > From: iPhone News <Nospam NOSPAM.net> > Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone,alt.cellular.attws > Subject: iPhone OS 3.1 > Organization: Apple Inc > User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.5.3b3 (Intel Mac OS X) > Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 23:14:10 -0400 > Message-ID: <Nospam-04536B.23141001072009 news.giganews.com> > Lines: 21 > X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com > X-Trace: sv3-fFmRRqnnsfVlnItL/k8dioc6AKjR2HkR1l8YYZ6lsr+eP/nHBnRRIyxbDl+eKuPHkfH+VQjy6uCGrqN!TOC51eOnxxqQ7kd+vY3RuwLEJtxf2dJ2QhCueC6khIciGjR5UT386me+aMg2PYjl4pbiVXAbs7XK > X-Complaints-To: abuse giganews.com > X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html > X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers > X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly > X-Postfilter: 1.3.39 > Bytes: 1642 > archived from misc.phone.mobile.iphone

Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote: > In article <Nospam-04536B.23141001072009@news.giganews.com>, > iPhone News <Nospam@NOSPAM.net> wrote: > >> Here's what we know so far of what is in the upcoming update: >> >> * iPhone 3GS - When you're trimming your videos you now have the option >> of saving the original video by tapping the "Save as copy" button. >> >> * Voice Control will finally working over bluetooth >> >> * When you move your icons around the iPhone vibrates >> >> * MMS is enabled by default but does not work for AT&T users >> >> * The AT&T profile is updated to 4.2 >> >> * Improvements to OpenGL and Quartz >> >> * There's now a VideoEditorController API - Allows third party apps to >> call up video editing UI >> >> * Video picker API >> >> http://www.quickpwn.com/2009/06/wha... > > "s--- we shouldn't have pushed it out the door without" There's stuff that you don't realize is useful until the product gets out into the market and is being used by a million people, a few of whom will give useful feedback. Apple can't win for losing. If there's something needed and they rev the firmware they're attacked. If there's something needed and they don't provide it they're attacked. That said, it's rather bizarre that some important features, present on other manufacturers' handsets for years or a decade, are just now making it to the iPhone. You'd have thought that they'd make a list of everything needed on a phone or PDA and have written that into the original design spec. archived from misc.phone.mobile.iphone

Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote: > In fact, many of those talented people have just learned to shut up, for > fear of being screamed at or worse, so their ideas never make it out. LOL, only those of us that have been around a while know about that part of Apple! > If they rev the software to add things that were blatantly obvious to > everyone from day one, we call them on being stupid about not having > those things in the first place. Or do we simply accept that Apple has > ignorant losers for engineers and marketing people, losers that never > thought of this stuff in the first place and *needed* the feedback of > Joe Sixpack on the street? There is probably something to the timing of the release and not being able to get all the features in, but there are some things in 3.1 that probably were not blatantly obvious, and the design cycle was so short and the rush to get it out to not lose out the Palm Pre meant no extensive beta testing. The beta test was the first million new owners! >> That said, it's rather bizarre that some important features, present on >> other manufacturers' handsets for years or a decade, are just now making >> it to the iPhone. > > You're starting to get it. It's MORE than bizarre. Some features, such as voice dialing are actually very difficult to get working requiring a lot of programming, linguists, etc. No phone manufacturer is likely to be willing to sell this expertise to a competitor. So some things that seem bizarre to be left out were probably left out because to put them in would delay the product for a very long time. > In 1984, Chrysler single-handedly (invented and) defined a new market: > the minivan. Actually VW invented the minivan. Chrysler popularized it in the middle class. > But Honda et al. weren't successful by ignoring the fundamentals that > the market wanted. And Apple needs to learn that lesson. They seem to be doing pretty well even leaving things out the maybe only a small segment of the market wants, but that are costly to include. It's the same with their computers. Some missing hardware features are a deal killer to me, but Apple knows they can't be all things to everyone, and they concentrate on a profitable niche market that doesn't demand features that more techie users want. archived from misc.phone.mobile.iphone

In article <VA23m.6741$iz2.5518@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com>, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote: > > "s--- we shouldn't have pushed it out the door without" > > There's stuff that you don't realize is useful until the product gets > out into the market and is being used by a million people, a few of whom > will give useful feedback. yeah. Like cut and paste. Look, I've been involved with Apple products for 21 years now. Back in the day, Apple took serious pride in its dedication and ability to know what's useful and what the customers needed to be built into the product. IBM PC? Customers didn't know how useful all that stuff Apple was doing would be, simply because the customers had only a PC running DOS to define their worlds. Apple could have gone the "me too" route, but instead they spent a LOT of time, money, and resources to take it to the next level. That attitude didn't make sense in the context of "I need better financial numbers next week," but a personality like that of Steve Jobs kept that at bay and insisted on doing it RIGHT. Fast forward to today, where Jobs's personality seems focused more on the control-freak of doing it HIS way, whether it's right or not. See "cut and paste" above. I have no doubt that Apple has many, many talented people at all levels, all of whom gave "useful feedback"--and all of whom were stymied by the control-freak Jobs, for whom if he didn't think of it, it must be nothing more than a s--- idea. In fact, many of those talented people have just learned to shut up, for fear of being screamed at or worse, so their ideas never make it out. > Apple can't win for losing. If there's something needed and they rev the > firmware they're attacked. If there's something needed and they don't > provide it they're attacked. If they rev the software to add things that were blatantly obvious to everyone from day one, we call them on being stupid about not having those things in the first place. Or do we simply accept that Apple has ignorant losers for engineers and marketing people, losers that never thought of this stuff in the first place and *needed* the feedback of Joe Sixpack on the street? > That said, it's rather bizarre that some important features, present on > other manufacturers' handsets for years or a decade, are just now making > it to the iPhone. You're starting to get it. It's MORE than bizarre. > You'd have thought that they'd make a list of > everything needed on a phone or PDA and have written that into the > original design spec. Bingo. OK, maybe not everything. Maybe some "kitchen sink" things were put into PDAs simply because one company tried it and the rest were afraid NOT to do it. That wouldn't be Apple's way. But plenty of very, very good things went into PDAs over the last several years, and so many of them were flat-out ignored by Apple that we know something is seriously wrong inside Apple. In 1984, Chrysler single-handedly (invented and) defined a new market: the minivan. This was the American auto industry's iPod moment of the last 30 years. For 15 years, NOBODY did what Chrysler did. All tried, but all failed miserably--just like the MP3 market did when chasing after the iPod. Why did they fail? Because they ignored what made Chrysler a success, and tried to create other products that differed way too much. Then in 1999, Honda finally came out with the Odyssey and put their rightfully competitive stake in the ground. How did they do it? By doing what Chrysler did, by creating a minivan that was just like Chrysler's in virtually every fundamental way. Why? BECAUSE IT WAS A GOOD IDEA. The result was FIVE YEARS of demand WAY outstripping supply, and every van was sold straight off the truck at list plus. Apple and their phone/PDA effort is following the same path that Chrysler's competitors followed with their minivan efforts. In the end, Honda proved that you have to do what people want and have shown they want BEFORE you can break out and do something different. Honda then stretched things and added navigation system, leather, rear entertainment, etc.--and created a NEW thing. They created the luxury minivan, something that wasn't on the radar before (I mean, after all, a minivan is a UTILITY vehicle--why make it a luxury vehicle?). But Honda et al. weren't successful by ignoring the fundamentals that the market wanted. And Apple needs to learn that lesson. If Steve Jobs is getting in the way of learning and acting upon that lesson, then the board of directors should be aware of that--and so should the shareholders, who might not be getting all the value they can. archived from misc.phone.mobile.iphone

On Thu, 2 Jul 2009, Elmo P. Shagnasty posted: > Fast forward to today, where Jobs's personality seems focused more on > the control-freak of doing it HIS way, whether it's right or not. This isn't new behavior. It showed up during the NeXT days. I still remember the day that Jobs effectively killed NeXT's market. It was in February 1989. As I recall, it was a security bug in sendmail which had been fixed everywhere else except NeXT. The only way it could be patched on NeXT was to install a standard BSD distribution of sendmail, which would lose all of NeXT's modifications; or if NeXT would offer sources (perhaps at an extra cost). Mind you, this wasn't about sources to the AppKit or any other proprietary NeXTSTEP technology; just their version of the standard BSD software so sites could install security fixes. Jobs absolutely insisted that he would never, ever, give up any sources; that the "secret of Microsoft's success" was closed source; and that no commercial software vendors would develop on UNIX because "university hackers" were always tweaking it so there was no "standard". Jobs even claimed that NeXT didn't have to release their hacked version of GPL software. [FSF's lawyers corrected that, but it was still years later before NeXT coughed up those sources.] It was a staggering rant. Jaws were dropping in the room. Word went out quickly. Jobs obviously spent so much time basking in the adulation from fanboys (who immediately defended his no-source position) that didn't notice that academic IT departments (the initial target for NeXT) were cancelling their plans to deploy NeXT workstations. Digital, SUN, and later IBM were delighted. -- Mark -- http://panda.com/mrc Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to eat for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote. archived from misc.phone.mobile.iphone