"John Doe" <jdoe@usenetlove.invalid> wrote in message news:00304850$0$28404$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com... >> AT&T offers a turn by turn navigation system that will function >> more like a traditional car GPS telling you when to turn and >> such. It costs $9.99/month and also is useless without internet >> access. And is quite a price gouge if you ask me. > > Especially considering the fact that the free or low-cost > applications with only require periodically updating your current > location. That is easy programming. I think you are forgetting the cost of map data. Unless some developer wants to drive the entire country and create his or her own map data, that data has to come from somewhere, usually licensed from TeleAtlas or Navteq. IIRC, the Google Maps API in the iPhone disallows it to be used for turn-by-turn navigation, since that's outside Google's licensing terms for the use of the map data (and probably why using Google Maps itself for navigaton is so awkward- perhaps Google itself is restricted in how they can use the data.) I still use an old Windows Mobile nav application called Mapopolis, which sadly stopped selling the app when they were bought by a PND manufacturer that wanted to put the Mapopolis software exclusively on their hardware. Mapopolis used to sell their software at three price levels- map only with no routing was free, routing but no spoken voice directions was $50, and routing with voice directions was $100. Each level used a separate set of map data (the paid maps were from Navteq, IIRC, and the free data used US Census "Tiger" maps) with different licensing terms. >> Navigon AG just released their iPhone app which is a full on GPS >> system. It's a 1.3 gig download because it contains maps of the >> whole US, so it doesn't require an internet connection. > > It requires an Internet connection, unless you are lowering the > bar you raised above when talking about the built in application > and AT&T's subscription application. You need an Internet > connection and/or GPS reception in order to plot your current > location along the way. Are we talking about the same thing? Navigon is a software package for the iPhone that includes its own maps that install on the phone, so it doesn't need an internet connection for map/routing data (if/when they add traffic to the app, you'll need it for traffic data.) You need GPS reception, of course, just as you would with a PND. (Navigon is a PND manufacturer. I haven't tried the iPhone software version, but I have one of their PNDs that seem to be quite similar based on the reviews and screenshots. The PND software's not bad- I presume the iPhone version is good as well.) >> It is currently on sale for $69.99 until 8/15/09. > > You think that is a good thing? Do you work for them? That's a competitive price for actual GPS navigation software with voice prompting. Very competitive, in fact. Unfortunately, the iPhone isn't the ideal PND device (it takes the app about 30 seconds to start up, and since it can't run in the background, an incoming call knocks out your navigation for the length of the call plus at least 30 seconds.) >> In the long run it will be much much cheaper than AT&T. > > Or you can just wait a few weeks until some developer figures out > that all he needs to do is update the current location on the map. Again, licensing issues will prohibit that from showing up in a free app with anything but the most rudimentary functions (a la Google Maps.) Navigation, particularly voice navigation, requires expensive map licensing. > In my opinion, turn by turn directions are not the best way to go, > unless you have immediate information about your route, not only > including road construction and detours, but also traffic congestion. > Just having an indication of where you are and having a pointer to > where you are going is good enough IMO. You need to keep your eyes on > the road anyway. Spoken turn-by-turn directions take care of the "looking at the road" issue, and how does "having an indication of where you are going and having a pointer to where you are" help you without the same road construction, traffic and detour information you claim turn-by-turn directions need? The advantage of turn-by-turn is that you can use it when needed, or ignore it if need be (detours, construction, traffic, etc.) and the software will continually reroute you back to your destination regardless of how far off course you wander. Besides- looking at a map (paper or electronic) to see that "indication of where you're going" takes your eyes off the road much longer and requires more concentration than glancing at a display to a see a large left-turn arrow icon and the words "at Main Street." I've used GPS navigation for driving since 2002, when I first shoved a CompactFlash GPS card into a Toshiba PDA and would never go back to driving in unfamiliar places without it. archived from misc.phone.mobile.iphone

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"John Doe" <jdoe@usenetlove.invalid> wrote in message news:00588f42$0$8858$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com... >>> > Navigon AG just released their iPhone app which is a full on >>> > GPS system. It's a 1.3 gig download because it contains maps >>> > of the whole US, so it doesn't require an internet >>> > connection. >>> >>> It requires an Internet connection, unless you are lowering the >>> bar you raised above when talking about the built in >>> application and AT&T's subscription application. You need an >>> Internet connection and/or GPS reception in order to plot your >>> current location along the way. >> >> it does not require an internet connection > > What part of "plot your current location" do you not understand? What part of "GPS" do you not understand? All the map data is stored on the device just like with those Garmin, TomTom, etc. PNDs everyone and his uncle now drives around with. Those don't have internet connectivity. They locate your GPS position, calculate the route using the on-device map data, then display your location on the maps already stored on the device. I've used similar apps on Pocket PCs long before I had one with any built-in internet connectivity. >> since all the maps are on the device. > > A paper map provides the same and is easier to view. A paper map doesn't autolocate your position on it. You have to figure out where you are and then find that location on your map. Maps certainly have their place (easier to view an entire route on paper, for example) but that doesn't diminish just how powerful GPS navigation is. Besides, a GPS with voice prompts can be safely used when driving alone, maps can't. Silly anecdote, but one time on a 11-hour overnight drive from Denver to Olathe, Kansas (that ended up taking about 15 hours!), I ended up in a horrible blizzard west of Topeka that reduced visibility to a few car lengths, and reduced safe traveling speed to about 10 MPH. The snow was so thick and sticky it actually completely covered the face of all the highway signs so they were unreadable, and it was too dark and snowy to make out any reliable topography. Suddenly my Pocket PC blurted out something like "right turn at exit in 1 mile" and I followed the voice all the way into Olathe. (Without the GPS, I would've figured out where I was when I hit Kansas City, but I'd have already traveled well over a hour too far east in those conditions at that point, and would've had to double back. I was frazzled enough at that point!) archived from misc.phone.mobile.iphone

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In article <00707246$0$19378$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, John Doe <jdoe@usenetlove.invalid> wrote: > >> > it does not require an internet connection > >> > >> What part of "plot your current location" do you not > >> understand? > > > > what part of having the maps on the device do you not > > understand? > > Apparently you are living in a fantasy land, traveling daily in a > Learjet to various corners of the earth. In reality... in reality, it's mostly md80/md83 and boeing 757s with the occasional 767, and with wifi on board, it's actually not much different than being on the ground. > Having over > 1GB worth of maps on an iPhone is a huge waste of space, > especially considering the fact that it instantly retrieves maps > through the wireless Internet/3G. 1 gig of maps out of 16 or 32 gig is minor, particularly for someone who travels, and map retrieval not exactly instant if one is driving through rural areas where there is no cellular coverage. besides, who are you to say whether it's a waste or not? > Have you ever actually used an iPhone, NoBrain? you don't have much of an argument if you are going to resort to insults. > > it determines your location via gps and displays a map. very > > simple. > > We are talking about the iPhone... Plotting your location via a > GPS plus Internet/3G signal is better than a GPS signal alone. the internet is only useful to get up to date traffic information or perhaps updated point of interest data such as the phone number of a restaurant that may have closed since the time the map was published. for everything else, the maps can be on the device since roads don't really change much. > Having to be connected to the Internet is not a detriment, since > it is a natural fact of use. And you cannot turn off the Internet > and use GPS alone on an iPhone, so there is no power savings > either. the iphone gps works just fine without an internet connection. to quote you: "Have you ever actually used an iPhone, NoBrain?" > >> A paper map provides the same and is easier to view. > > > > don't be ridiculous. it has the equivalent of *thousands* of > > paper maps > > Nobody needs *thousands* of maps on an iPhone, NoBrain. What part > of "we are connected to the Internet" don't you understand? they do if they travel a lot. or are you suggesting they keep buying maps whenever they get to a new area? and if they're in rural areas (or even urban areas where coverage is spotty), they won't be 'connected to the internet' and there may not *be* a store to buy a map. > > which are also more up to date. > > ? How can you know that? The program you are pushing works > without an Internet connection, remember? If there is no Internet > connection, then how can the maps be more up to date? actually i'm not pushing any app, but rather the concept of having full map data on the device. the maps are updated generally once per year and nothing precludes pushing an update more frequently if necessary, such as if a bridge were to collapse. > Are you saying that the program in question has speech output? Or > are you just still rambling? most navigation apps and dedicated gps devices do, often with choice of voice. > > etc. have you ever actually *used* a gps? > > For years, NoBrain. Everything you are talking about (except turn by > turn, which has dubious value IMO) is basic GPS stuff included on > free programs. so the answer is 'no.' a gps does not need 'additional programs' and turn by turn is *very* useful. i'm talking about garmin, tomtom, etc. > Why spend $70 on a product when you have 90% of the same function > with the free built-in iPhone application? because you don't have 90% of the same function, particularly when there's no internet. > Determining the user's current location and plotting it on the map > is not difficult programming and should be available soon on very > inexpensive iPhone applications. it was available last year, actually. > Actually, now that I think about > it, some already do. I have one that displays elevation using USGS > maps that does. And I think the free/$2 application MotionX GPS > does. not even remotely close to a navigation app. archived from misc.phone.mobile.iphone

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In article <00308b92$0$7221$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, John Doe <jdoe@usenetlove.invalid> wrote: > > All the map data is stored on the device > > Not on a handheld GPS, Heady. very definitely on a handheld gps. > > Those don't have internet connectivity. > > Welcome to the iPhone, Heady... The iPhone has cell phone and > Internet connectivity. except that cell coverage and wifi do not cover everywhere. > > They locate your GPS position, calculate the route using the > > on-device map data, > > Yes, Heady, but few if any iPhone users need a gigabyte worth of > map data on his (or her) handheld iPhone. Apparently you do not > understand the power of Internet connectivity. apparently you do not understand what most users want. people have been wanting such an app since the iphone 3g was announced last year, and only with 3.0 is it actually feasible. there was an app last year on 2.x that offered map data and turn by turn navigation but it wasn't all that good. > >> A paper map provides the same and is easier to view. > > > > A paper map doesn't autolocate your position on it. > > Just having maps on your iPhone does not autolocate your position > either, Heady. the app that comes with the map data does. archived from misc.phone.mobile.iphone

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On 03 Aug 2009 19:33:54 GMT, John Doe <jdoe@usenetlove.invalid> wrote: >Loren Finkelstein <lrfnewsgroups@lrf.net> wrote: > >> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote: >>> DJH <spam@spamspams.com> wrote: > >>> > Much has been made of the Sat Nav on the new iphone. Does it >>> > come ready installed? >>> >>> do you mean the gps? the maps application will locate via gps >>> and/or skyhook, but actual gps turn by turn navigation requires >>> a separate app. already there are a couple with more coming, >>> and a plethora of apps that use location for various purposes. >> >> As said, the built in Maps application can find where you are, >> can generate directions and can direct you on your trip, > >The integrated application also provides bus schedule information >for major metropolitan areas, at least in the United States. After >your current location is determined (in a few seconds), you simply >enter the destination. You then have the bus departure time and >the transfer times for your entire route. You can also select a >different departure time that automatically generates different >transfer times or even different bus routes. > >> but you have to keep hitting "next" at each step of your trip. >> It's too hands on if you are alone. Can be almost as dangerous >> as txting while driving. But it's fine if you have a passenger >> who is doing the navigation. >> >> And, it only works while you have an internet connection. > >True, unless you know where you are. > >> AT&T offers a turn by turn navigation system that will function >> more like a traditional car GPS telling you when to turn and >> such. It costs $9.99/month and also is useless without internet >> access. And is quite a price gouge if you ask me. > >Especially considering the fact that the free or low-cost >applications with only require periodically updating your current >location. That is easy programming. > >> Navigon AG just released their iPhone app which is a full on GPS >> system. It's a 1.3 gig download because it contains maps of the >> whole US, so it doesn't require an internet connection. > >It requires an Internet connection, unless you are lowering the >bar you raised above when talking about the built in application >and AT&T's subscription application. You need an Internet >connection and/or GPS reception in order to plot your current >location along the way. > >> It is currently on sale for $69.99 until 8/15/09. > >You think that is a good thing? Do you work for them? > >> In the long run it will be much much cheaper than AT&T. > >Or you can just wait a few weeks until some developer figures out >that all he needs to do is update the current location on the map. > >In my opinion, turn by turn directions are not the best way to go, >unless you have immediate information about your route, not only >including road construction and detours, but also traffic congestion. >Just having an indication of where you are and having a pointer to >where you are going is good enough IMO. You need to keep your eyes on >the road anyway. > >> It's a 1.3 gig download because it contains maps of the >> whole US, so it doesn't require an internet connection. Navigon AG is 557mb download not 1.3gb archived from misc.phone.mobile.iphone

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Loren Finkelstein <lrfnewsgroups@lrf.net> wrote: > nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote: >> DJH <spam@spamspams.com> wrote: >> > Much has been made of the Sat Nav on the new iphone. Does it >> > come ready installed? >> >> do you mean the gps? the maps application will locate via gps >> and/or skyhook, but actual gps turn by turn navigation requires >> a separate app. already there are a couple with more coming, >> and a plethora of apps that use location for various purposes. > > As said, the built in Maps application can find where you are, > can generate directions and can direct you on your trip, The integrated application also provides bus schedule information for major metropolitan areas, at least in the United States. After your current location is determined (in a few seconds), you simply enter the destination. You then have the bus departure time and the transfer times for your entire route. You can also select a different departure time that automatically generates different transfer times or even different bus routes. > but you have to keep hitting "next" at each step of your trip. > It's too hands on if you are alone. Can be almost as dangerous > as txting while driving. But it's fine if you have a passenger > who is doing the navigation. > > And, it only works while you have an internet connection. True, unless you know where you are. > AT&T offers a turn by turn navigation system that will function > more like a traditional car GPS telling you when to turn and > such. It costs $9.99/month and also is useless without internet > access. And is quite a price gouge if you ask me. Especially considering the fact that the free or low-cost applications with only require periodically updating your current location. That is easy programming. > Navigon AG just released their iPhone app which is a full on GPS > system. It's a 1.3 gig download because it contains maps of the > whole US, so it doesn't require an internet connection. It requires an Internet connection, unless you are lowering the bar you raised above when talking about the built in application and AT&T's subscription application. You need an Internet connection and/or GPS reception in order to plot your current location along the way. > It is currently on sale for $69.99 until 8/15/09. You think that is a good thing? Do you work for them? > In the long run it will be much much cheaper than AT&T. Or you can just wait a few weeks until some developer figures out that all he needs to do is update the current location on the map. In my opinion, turn by turn directions are not the best way to go, unless you have immediate information about your route, not only including road construction and detours, but also traffic congestion. Just having an indication of where you are and having a pointer to where you are going is good enough IMO. You need to keep your eyes on the road anyway. -- Big front wheel skates (144mm front wheel, four 80mm trailing wheels). Great for rough street skating. http://www.flickr.com/photos/275322... archived from misc.phone.mobile.iphone

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In article <0030a0f7$0$5013$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, John Doe <jdoe@usenetlove.invalid> wrote: > But seriously... Apparently some users have no idea what the > iPhone is all about. that much is clear from your posts. > Newsflash... Maps can be installed beforehand yes, that's the whole entire point. archived from misc.phone.mobile.iphone

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nospam <nospam nospam.invalid> wrote: > John Doe <jdoe usenetlove.invalid> wrote: (sorry, the moron messed up the introductions) >> > Navigon AG just released their iPhone app which is a full on >> > GPS system. It's a 1.3 gig download because it contains maps >> > of the whole US, so it doesn't require an internet >> > connection. >> >> It requires an Internet connection, unless you are lowering the >> bar you raised above when talking about the built in >> application and AT&T's subscription application. You need an >> Internet connection and/or GPS reception in order to plot your >> current location along the way. > > it does not require an internet connection What part of "plot your current location" do you not understand? > since all the maps are on the device. A paper map provides the same and is easier to view. >> > It is currently on sale for $69.99 until 8/15/09. >> >> You think that is a good thing? Do you work for them? > > saving money is generally a good thing. I defined advertising's use of the word "save". >> > In the long run it will be much much cheaper than AT&T. >> >> Or you can just wait a few weeks until some developer figures >> out that all he needs to do is update the current location on >> the map. > > several developers already have. Provide some citations. >> In my opinion, turn by turn directions are not the best way to >> go, unless you have immediate information about your route, not >> only including road construction and detours, but also traffic >> congestion. Just having an indication of where you are and >> having a pointer to where you are going is good enough IMO. You >> need to keep your eyes on the road anyway. > > it's actually a very good way to go True, if you have immediate information about your route, not only including road construction and detours, but also traffic congestion. > and makes finding the way in unfamiliar areas very easy. Knowing where you are relative to a map is 95% of the solution in any area. > > > Path: news.astraweb.com!border5.newsrouter.astraweb.com!nntp.club.cc.cmu.edu!feeder.erje.net!feeder.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!not-for-mail > From: nospam <nospam nospam.invalid> > Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone > Subject: Re: iphone apps > Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 13:49:11 -0700 > Organization: A noiseless patient Spider > Lines: 38 > Message-ID: <030820091349116680%nospam nospam.invalid> > References: <PJ-dnXt7VeGU7-vXnZ2dnUVZ8n-dnZ2d brightview.co.uk> <020820092255085741%nospam nospam.invalid> <lrfnewsgroups-707DCE.14092003082009 news.panix.com> <00304850$0$28404$c3e8da3 news.astraweb.com> > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > X-Trace: news.eternal-september.org U2FsdGVkX1+uszTD3k/K2trSXuVMSG2it3UlhR7iA2thkq6LCLl1n2Ruu3/3M+b5S0QvNLprAOaYxqNzFyUF/ZzQn4ZHzb4pgHlQ+QwM0JDEYqgqaRldTbco0q/9cikXpSpizBOFSJQjkNQYmHf7aw== > X-Complaints-To: abuse eternal-september.org > NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 20:56:50 +0000 (UTC) > X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX1+DWXRN4qVM1xSgRRGafF1qiwW76KsxrbM= > Cancel-Lock: sha1:JPMO7A0+n8a0B6xlaWi/9tOS7dE= > User-Agent: Thoth/1.8.3 (Carbon/OS X) > archived from misc.phone.mobile.iphone

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Previously on misc.phone.mobile.iphone, DJH said: > And what program does it use to read word docs? Built-in, only if you receive them via email and only, I think, pre-'07 versions of Office (iow, no docx files). If you want to load in your own via WiFi, there are a plethora of apps that can be installed to enable you to store and view MS Office files on the iPhone, including the newer docx/xlsx/etc types. Some also have editing abilities. -- Jeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org Double ROT13 encoded for your protection DISCLAIMER: Duplicate requests will constitute fraud. archived from misc.phone.mobile.iphone

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nospam <nospam nospam.invalid> wrote: > John Doe <jdoe usenetlove.invalid> wrote: (Sorry, NoBrain messed up the introductions again) >> > it does not require an internet connection >> >> What part of "plot your current location" do you not >> understand? > > what part of having the maps on the device do you not > understand? Apparently you are living in a fantasy land, traveling daily in a Learjet to various corners of the earth. In reality... Having over 1GB worth of maps on an iPhone is a huge waste of space, especially considering the fact that it instantly retrieves maps through the wireless Internet/3G. Have you ever actually used an iPhone, NoBrain? > it determines your location via gps and displays a map. very > simple. We are talking about the iPhone... Plotting your location via a GPS plus Internet/3G signal is better than a GPS signal alone. Having to be connected to the Internet is not a detriment, since it is a natural fact of use. And you cannot turn off the Internet and use GPS alone on an iPhone, so there is no power savings either. >> > since all the maps are on the device. >> >> A paper map provides the same and is easier to view. > > don't be ridiculous. it has the equivalent of *thousands* of > paper maps Nobody needs *thousands* of maps on an iPhone, NoBrain. What part of "we are connected to the Internet" don't you understand? > which are also more up to date. ? How can you know that? The program you are pushing works without an Internet connection, remember? If there is no Internet connection, then how can the maps be more up to date? > plus, a paper map You are rambling, NoBrain. > does not provide point of interest information such as nearby > gas stations, restaurants, hotels, recreation, hospitals, etc. > paper maps are also very clumsy to use while driving, whereas a > gps automatically shows the appropriate area, estimated time of > arrival, distance to next turn and announces it as you approach > it so you don't have to look away from the road, Are you saying that the program in question has speech output? Or are you just still rambling? > etc. have you ever actually *used* a gps? For years, NoBrain. Everything you are talking about (except turn by turn, which has dubious value IMO) is basic GPS stuff included on free programs. >> >> > It is currently on sale for $69.99 until 8/15/09. >> >> >> >> You think that is a good thing? Do you work for them? >> > >> > saving money is generally a good thing. >> >> I defined advertising's use of the word "save". > > it's on sale because tomtom's product is expected very soon and > they want to get people who might have otherwise waited to > compare the two. Why spend $70 on a product when you have 90% of the same function with the free built-in iPhone application? >> >> Or you can just wait a few weeks until some developer >> >> figures out that all he needs to do is update the current >> >> location on the map. >> > >> > several developers already have. >> >> Provide some citations. > > xroad, tomtom, sygic & navigon. Apparently you are not comprehending what you are reading, NoBrain. Determining the user's current location and plotting it on the map is not difficult programming and should be available soon on very inexpensive iPhone applications. Actually, now that I think about it, some already do. I have one that displays elevation using USGS maps that does. And I think the free/$2 application MotionX GPS does. > > > Path: news.astraweb.com!border2.newsrouter.astraweb.com!news.glorb.com!news2.glorb.com!de-l.enfer-du-nord.net!news.mixmin.net!feeder.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!not-for-mail > From: nospam <nospam nospam.invalid> > Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone > Subject: Re: iphone apps > Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 14:54:47 -0700 > Organization: A noiseless patient Spider > Lines: 43 > Message-ID: <030820091454472790%nospam nospam.invalid> > References: <PJ-dnXt7VeGU7-vXnZ2dnUVZ8n-dnZ2d brightview.co.uk> <020820092255085741%nospam nospam.invalid> <lrfnewsgroups-707DCE.14092003082009 news.panix.com> <00304850$0$28404$c3e8da3 news.astraweb.com> <030820091349116680%nospam nospam.invalid> <00588f42$0$8858$c3e8da3 news.astraweb.com> > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > X-Trace: news.eternal-september.org U2FsdGVkX18SW34gUWBX1EWRnBZN+G9eirJCib+46F0TSr0wrp3qpPDZw9XKedD1n8NXASDi4PpTEe4oIw1ILFkUGAZBz/wh9vfTbaUxfKF+08bGcGuLPkHLym5vGLE01IEFmFcTB2JaTVxiJQR7ow== > X-Complaints-To: abuse eternal-september.org > NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 22:02:27 +0000 (UTC) > X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX1/TDFOPwC7dgsKeJFMd67Lc/Xz1N65PpZs= > Cancel-Lock: sha1:ZsH39dqz5EU88ykwdVtP4PnZ13w= > User-Agent: Thoth/1.8.3 (Carbon/OS X) > archived from misc.phone.mobile.iphone

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"Todd Allcock" <elecconnec AnoOspamL.com> wrote: > "John Doe" <jdoe usenetlove.invalid> wrote in message >>>> > Navigon AG just released their iPhone app which is a full >>>> > on GPS system. It's a 1.3 gig download because it contains >>>> > maps of the whole US, so it doesn't require an internet >>>> > connection. >>>> >>>> It requires an Internet connection, unless you are lowering >>>> the bar you raised above when talking about the built in >>>> application and AT&T's subscription application. You need an >>>> Internet connection and/or GPS reception in order to plot >>>> your current location along the way. >>> >>> it does not require an internet connection >> >> What part of "plot your current location" do you not >> understand? > > What part of "GPS" do you not understand? I have been using a GPS for years, Heady, and you missed the point. > All the map data is stored on the device Not on a handheld GPS, Heady. > just like with those Garmin, TomTom, etc. PNDs everyone and his > uncle now drives around with. Things change, Heady. > Those don't have internet connectivity. Welcome to the iPhone, Heady... The iPhone has cell phone and Internet connectivity. Eureka! > They locate your GPS position, calculate the route using the > on-device map data, Yes, Heady, but few if any iPhone users need a gigabyte worth of map data on his (or her) handheld iPhone. Apparently you do not understand the power of Internet connectivity. > then display your location on the maps already stored on the > device. I've used similar apps on Pocket PCs long before I had > one with any built-in internet connectivity. Well there you go, Heady... There is a major difference between what you are rambling about and the iPhone. >>> since all the maps are on the device. >> >> A paper map provides the same and is easier to view. > > A paper map doesn't autolocate your position on it. Just having maps on your iPhone does not autolocate your position either, Heady. <snipped more idiotic off-topic straw man arguments about whether paper maps are better than electronic maps> > doesn't diminish just how powerful GPS navigation is. No s---, Heady. Someone mentions paper maps in a passing argument and you go off on a crusade about how great GPS is. Get off of the soapbox, dude. > > > > > > Path: news.astraweb.com!border2.newsrouter.astraweb.com!npeer03.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!post01.iad.highwinds-media.com!newsfe17.iad.POSTED!f09e3bc5!not-for-mail > From: "Todd Allcock" <elecconnec AnoOspamL.com> > Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone > References: <PJ-dnXt7VeGU7-vXnZ2dnUVZ8n-dnZ2d brightview.co.uk> <020820092255085741%nospam nospam.invalid> <lrfnewsgroups-707DCE.14092003082009 news.panix.com> <00304850$0$28404$c3e8da3 news.astraweb.com> <030820091349116680%nospam nospam.invalid> <00588f42$0$8858$c3e8da3 news.astraweb.com> > In-Reply-To: <00588f42$0$8858$c3e8da3 news.astraweb.com> > Subject: Re: iphone apps > Lines: 52 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > X-Priority: 3 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 > Message-ID: <AbJdm.24912$sC1.22219 newsfe17.iad> > X-Complaints-To: abuse WWWSpace.NET > NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 22:06:24 UTC > Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 16:06:18 -0600 > > archived from misc.phone.mobile.iphone

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"Todd Allcock" <elecconnec AnoOspamL.com> wrote: > "John Doe" <jdoe usenetlove.invalid> wrote (Sorry, another moron who messes up the introductions) >>> AT&T offers a turn by turn navigation system that will >>> function more like a traditional car GPS telling you when to >>> turn and such. It costs $9.99/month and also is useless >>> without internet access. And is quite a price gouge if you >>> ask me. >> >> Especially considering the fact that the free or low-cost >> applications with only require periodically updating your >> current location. That is easy programming. > > I think you are forgetting the cost of map data. That's just weird, Heady. > IIRC, the Google Maps API in the iPhone disallows it to be used > for turn-by-turn navigation, That is a different subject, Heady. >>> Navigon AG just released their iPhone app which is a full on >>> GPS system. It's a 1.3 gig download because it contains maps >>> of the whole US, so it doesn't require an internet connection. >> >> It requires an Internet connection, unless you are lowering the >> bar you raised above when talking about the built in >> application and AT&T's subscription application. You need an >> Internet connection and/or GPS reception in order to plot your >> current location along the way. > > Are we talking about the same thing? Since when does talking about the same thing matter to you, Heady? > Navigon is a software package for the iPhone that includes its > own maps Local maps are unnecessary, Heady, since the iPhone includes Internet/3G connectivity. > that install on the phone, so it doesn't need an internet > connection for map/routing data You need an Internet connection and/or GPS reception in order to plot your current location along the way, Heady, that is what I said. >>> It is currently on sale for $69.99 until 8/15/09. >> >> You think that is a good thing? Do you work for them? > > That's a competitive price for actual GPS navigation software > with voice prompting. Welcome to the iPhone, Heady. > Unfortunately, the iPhone isn't the ideal PND device (it takes > the app about 30 seconds to start up, and since it can't run in > the background, an incoming call knocks out your navigation for > the length of the call plus at least 30 seconds.) I have never met anyone who talks so much and is so ignorant at the same time. So far, my iPhone includes animated weather radar, terrain elevation maps, and a mapping GPS system... It is turning into the ultimate handheld navigation device. > > > > > > Path: news.astraweb.com!border2.newsrouter.astraweb.com!npeer03.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!post01.iad.highwinds-media.com!newsfe22.iad.POSTED!f09e3bc5!not-for-mail > From: "Todd Allcock" <elecconnec AnoOspamL.com> > Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone > References: <PJ-dnXt7VeGU7-vXnZ2dnUVZ8n-dnZ2d brightview.co.uk> <020820092255085741%nospam nospam.invalid> <lrfnewsgroups-707DCE.14092003082009 news.panix.com> <00304850$0$28404$c3e8da3 news.astraweb.com> > In-Reply-To: <00304850$0$28404$c3e8da3 news.astraweb.com> > Subject: Re: iphone apps > Lines: 96 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > X-Priority: 3 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 > Message-ID: <EQIdm.126523$zq1.94080 newsfe22.iad> > X-Complaints-To: abuse WWWSpace.NET > NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 21:41:56 UTC > Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 15:41:49 -0600 > > archived from misc.phone.mobile.iphone

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nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote: > John Doe <jdoe@usenetlove.invalid> wrote: (Sorry, NoBrain messed up the introductions again) >> >> > it does not require an internet connection >> >> >> >> What part of "plot your current location" do you not >> >> understand? >> > >> > what part of having the maps on the device do you not >> > understand? >> >> Apparently you are living in a fantasy land, traveling daily in >> a Learjet to various corners of the earth. In reality... > > in reality, it's mostly md80/md83 and boeing 757s with the > occasional 767, and with wifi on board, it's actually not much > different than being on the ground. And you are a big game hunter, traveling too remote locations in Africa where there is no Internet connectivity. >> Having over 1GB worth of maps on an iPhone is a huge waste of >> space, especially considering the fact that it instantly >> retrieves maps through the wireless Internet/3G. > > 1 gig of maps out of 16 or 32 gig is minor, particularly for > someone who travels, and map retrieval not exactly instant if > one is driving through rural areas where there is no cellular > coverage. That one bounces off of a lot of rails, NoBrain. > besides, who are you to say whether it's a waste or not? Who are you to say it is a good use of space and worth $70, NoBrain? >> Have you ever actually used an iPhone, NoBrain? > > you don't have much of an argument if you are going to resort to > insults. But seriously... Apparently some users have no idea what the iPhone is all about. Even on desktop computers, much of the need for local data has been eliminated thanks to the Internet. >> > it determines your location via gps and displays a map. very >> > simple. >> >> We are talking about the iPhone... Plotting your location via a >> GPS plus Internet/3G signal is better than a GPS signal alone. > > the internet is only useful to get up to date traffic > information BWAAAAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!! Little do you know, NoBrain. You are very much going to enjoy what Internet connectivity will provide for portable devices (and especially in cars) in the not-too-distant future. There will be no need for maps if all you want is driving instructions. > or perhaps updated point of interest data such as the phone > number of a restaurant that may have closed since the time the > map was published. for everything else, the maps can be on the > device since roads don't really change much. > >> Having to be connected to the Internet is not a detriment, >> since it is a natural fact of use. And you cannot turn off the >> Internet and use GPS alone on an iPhone, so there is no power >> savings either. > > the iphone gps works just fine without an internet connection. > to quote you: "Have you ever actually used an iPhone, NoBrain?" > >> >> A paper map provides the same and is easier to view. >> > >> > don't be ridiculous. it has the equivalent of *thousands* of >> > paper maps >> >> Nobody needs *thousands* of maps on an iPhone, NoBrain. What >> part of "we are connected to the Internet" don't you >> understand? > > they do if they travel a lot. or are you suggesting they keep > buying maps whenever they get to a new area? Newsflash... Maps can be installed beforehand, or downloaded on an as needed basis. If you are arguing for answers... You're welcome. > and if they're in rural areas (or even urban areas where > coverage is spotty), they won't be 'connected to the internet' > and there may not *be* a store to buy a map. Having trouble communicating, NoBrain? Why do you need to put quotation marks around "connected to the Internet"? >> > which are also more up to date. >> >> ? How can you know that? The program you are pushing works >> without an Internet connection, remember? If there is no >> Internet connection, then how can the maps be more up to date? > > actually i'm not pushing any app, but rather the concept of > having full map data on the device. the maps are updated > generally once per year and nothing precludes pushing an update > more frequently if necessary, such as if a bridge were to > collapse. The more data, the more difficult it is keep updated. >> Are you saying that the program in question has speech output? >> Or are you just still rambling? > > most navigation apps and dedicated gps devices do, often with > choice of voice. And someday, if all you want is directions, there will be no need for maps at all. >> > etc. have you ever actually *used* a gps? >> >> For years, NoBrain. Everything you are talking about (except >> turn by turn, which has dubious value IMO) is basic GPS stuff >> included on free programs. > > so the answer is 'no.' a gps does not need 'additional > programs' Welcome to the iPhone, NoBrain. > and turn by turn is *very* useful. It is not very useful for me, NoBrain. > i'm talking about garmin, tomtom, etc. I am talking about the iPhone, NoBrain. >> Why spend $70 on a product when you have 90% of the same >> function with the free built-in iPhone application? > > because you don't have 90% of the same function, particularly > when there's no internet. Welcome to the iPhone, NoBrain. >> Determining the user's current location and plotting it on the >> map is not difficult programming and should be available soon >> on very inexpensive iPhone applications. Actually, now that I >> think about it, some already do. I have one that displays >> elevation using USGS maps that does. And I think the free/$2 >> application MotionX GPS does. > > not even remotely close to a navigation app. Bulls---, NoBrain. -- Big front wheel skates (144mm front wheel, four 80mm trailing wheels). Great for rough street skating. http://www.flickr.com/photos/275322... archived from misc.phone.mobile.iphone

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nospam <nospam nospam.invalid> wrote: > John Doe <jdoe usenetlove.invalid> wrote: > >> > All the map data is stored on the device >> >> Not on a handheld GPS, Heady. > > very definitely on a handheld gps. You are full of it, NoBrain. >> > Those don't have internet connectivity. >> >> Welcome to the iPhone, Heady... The iPhone has cell phone and >> Internet connectivity. > > except that cell coverage and wifi do not cover everywhere. Then why did you buy an iPhone, NoBrain? >> > They locate your GPS position, calculate the route using the >> > on-device map data, >> >> Yes, Heady, but few if any iPhone users need a gigabyte worth >> of map data on his (or her) handheld iPhone. Apparently you do >> not understand the power of Internet connectivity. > > apparently you do not understand what most users want. BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!! You misspelled "You do not understand what 100-year-old guys who have trouble using the Internet want". > people have been wanting such an app since the iphone 3g was > announced last year, You mean people who do not have cell phone or Internet/3g coverage, NoBrain? That is funny IMO. > and only with 3.0 is it actually feasible. there was an app > last year on 2.x that offered map data and turn by turn > navigation but it wasn't all that good. > >> >> A paper map provides the same and is easier to view. >> > >> > A paper map doesn't autolocate your position on it. >> >> Just having maps on your iPhone does not autolocate your >> position either, Heady. > > the app that comes with the map data does. You need an Internet connection and/or GPS reception in order to plot your current location along the way. By the way, NoBrain, does that sound familiar? I wonder why someone would buy an iPhone when he does not have cell phone and/or Internet connectivity. You two, NoBrain and Heady, are old school. If you are just arguing for answers, you're welcome. > > > Path: news.astraweb.com!border2.newsrouter.astraweb.com! npeer03.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feed- me.highwinds-media.com!nntp.club.cc.cmu.edu!feeder.erje.net! feeder.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!not-for-mail > From: nospam <nospam nospam.invalid> > Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone > Subject: Re: iphone apps > Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 17:27:58 -0700 > Organization: A noiseless patient Spider > Lines: 37 > Message-ID: <030820091727584294%nospam nospam.invalid> > References: <PJ-dnXt7VeGU7-vXnZ2dnUVZ8n-dnZ2d brightview.co.uk> <020820092255085741%nospam nospam.invalid> <lrfnewsgroups- 707DCE.14092003082009 news.panix.com> <00304850$0$28404$c3e8da3 news.astraweb.com> <030820091349116680%nospam nospam.invalid> <00588f42$0$8858$c3e8da3 news.astraweb.com> <AbJdm.24912$sC1.22219 newsfe17.iad> <00308b92$0$7221$c3e8da3 news.astraweb.com> > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > X-Trace: news.eternal-september.org U2FsdGVkX19SE9Q47SEWzMYyNpu66eoP9LArqrcPEBOTrRxwwRBNRoPmtJcL8ho3ZBcMX 6gn+ 7JG5GCDyBagCL3OkoTEITpG7rnvgS/N1SYUmX/qncFkMQncjT+Ve4I462L96QmuhwKW4g cyMSZ3+g== > X-Complaints-To: abuse eternal-september.org > NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 00:35:39 +0000 (UTC) > X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX18FsF4bosQzpc+Qh2w3WyzdW2y5LPIb5HE= > Cancel-Lock: sha1:ulbdOub9FtL0v3ZLq5OG87lfSDc= > User-Agent: Thoth/1.8.3 (Carbon/OS X) > archived from misc.phone.mobile.iphone

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In article <jfCdnSxch6N8U-rXnZ2dnUVZ8uKdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>, "DJH" <spam@spamspams.com> wrote: > "Jeffrey Kaplan" <nomail@gordol.org> wrote in message > news:1gke75t963okfga2qpl5d50kmagd5hhm4l@gordol.org... > > Previously on misc.phone.mobile.iphone, DJH said: > > > >> And what program does it use to read word docs? > > > > Built-in, only if you receive them via email and only, I think, pre-'07 > > versions of Office (iow, no docx files). If you want to load in your > > own via WiFi, there are a plethora of apps that can be installed to > > enable you to store and view MS Office files on the iPhone, including > > the newer docx/xlsx/etc types. Some also have editing abilities. > > Do you mean, on a phone of this price, I can't transfer and save documents > and spreadsheets direct from the computer? Surely that's not correct is it?? > I assume once you get them on there they can be edited etc? Search for "iDisk" on this page: <http://www.apple.com/mobileme/whats-new/> There are also other ways that don't require MobileMe, like the AirSharing iPhone application: <http://www.avatron.com/products/> -- Send responses to the relevant news group rather than email to me. E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my very hungry SPAM filter. Due to Google's refusal to prevent spammers from posting messages through their servers, I often ignore posts from Google Groups. Use a real news client if you want me to see your posts. JR archived from misc.phone.mobile.iphone

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"DJH" <spam spamspams.com> wrote: > "Jeffrey Kaplan" <nomail gordol.org> wrote >> Previously on misc.phone.mobile.iphone, DJH said: >> >>> And what program does it use to read word docs? >> >> Built-in, only if you receive them via email and only, I think, pre-'07 >> versions of Office (iow, no docx files). If you want to load in your >> own via WiFi, there are a plethora of apps that can be installed to >> enable you to store and view MS Office files on the iPhone, including >> the newer docx/xlsx/etc types. Some also have editing abilities. >> >> -- > > Do you mean, on a phone of this price, I can't transfer and save documents > and spreadsheets direct from the computer? Surely that's not correct is it?? > I assume once you get them on there they can be edited etc? Do you have an iPhone? Is this your first post to USENET, or are you just a nym-shifting troll? > > > > Path: news.astraweb.com!border5.newsrouter.astraweb.com!news.glorb.com!news2.glorb.com!npeer02.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!nx01.iad01.newshosting.com!newshosting.com!216.196.98.140.MISMATCH!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!backlog2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.brightview.co.uk!news.brightview.co.uk.POSTED!not-for-mail > NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 01:02:09 -0500 > From: "DJH" <spam spamspams.com> > Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone > References: <PJ-dnXt7VeGU7-vXnZ2dnUVZ8n-dnZ2d brightview.co.uk> <1gke75t963okfga2qpl5d50kmagd5hhm4l gordol.org> > In-Reply-To: <1gke75t963okfga2qpl5d50kmagd5hhm4l gordol.org> > Subject: Re: iphone apps > Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 07:01:15 +0100 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > X-Priority: 3 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 > Message-ID: <jfCdnSxch6N8U-rXnZ2dnUVZ8uKdnZ2d brightview.co.uk> > Lines: 19 > X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com > X-Trace: sv3-pM5eOGfqj3emra3xcpv3fm16UF/sfxmxNX6fdFZB4okFD7O5frSVdDLPUQ4cWTM14gFYUZV1Zg+9Q2W!e+5X7yUKBPdwkKf3QG5Wn6RqUowMQfs8QnBYTRha/6H1IeNNajJ7trjqGGF/3RVkYvqOxVy2HbWC!j0WcVqqq113Ag4HpiS6elKPzgsMk > X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers > X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly > X-Postfilter: 1.3.39 > X-Original-Bytes: 2125 > > archived from misc.phone.mobile.iphone

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"Jeffrey Kaplan" <nomail@gordol.org> wrote in message news:1gke75t963okfga2qpl5d50kmagd5hhm4l@gordol.org... > Previously on misc.phone.mobile.iphone, DJH said: > >> And what program does it use to read word docs? > > Built-in, only if you receive them via email and only, I think, pre-'07 > versions of Office (iow, no docx files). If you want to load in your > own via WiFi, there are a plethora of apps that can be installed to > enable you to store and view MS Office files on the iPhone, including > the newer docx/xlsx/etc types. Some also have editing abilities. > > -- Do you mean, on a phone of this price, I can't transfer and save documents and spreadsheets direct from the computer? Surely that's not correct is it?? I assume once you get them on there they can be edited etc? archived from misc.phone.mobile.iphone

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John Doe wrote: > nospam <nospam nospam.invalid> wrote: > >> John Doe <jdoe usenetlove.invalid> wrote: > > (sorry, the moron messed up the introductions) > >>>> Navigon AG just released their iPhone app which is a full on >>>> GPS system. It's a 1.3 gig download because it contains maps >>>> of the whole US, so it doesn't require an internet >>>> connection. >>> It requires an Internet connection, unless you are lowering the >>> bar you raised above when talking about the built in >>> application and AT&T's subscription application. You need an >>> Internet connection and/or GPS reception in order to plot your >>> current location along the way. >> it does not require an internet connection > > What part of "plot your current location" do you not understand? > >> since all the maps are on the device. > > A paper map provides the same and is easier to view. > >>>> It is currently on sale for $69.99 until 8/15/09. >>> You think that is a good thing? Do you work for them? >> saving money is generally a good thing. > > I defined advertising's use of the word "save". > >>>> In the long run it will be much much cheaper than AT&T. >>> Or you can just wait a few weeks until some developer figures >>> out that all he needs to do is update the current location on >>> the map. >> several developers already have. > > Provide some citations. > >>> In my opinion, turn by turn directions are not the best way to >>> go, unless you have immediate information about your route, not >>> only including road construction and detours, but also traffic >>> congestion. Just having an indication of where you are and >>> having a pointer to where you are going is good enough IMO. You >>> need to keep your eyes on the road anyway. >> it's actually a very good way to go > > True, if you have immediate information about your route, not only > including road construction and detours, but also traffic > congestion. > >> and makes finding the way in unfamiliar areas very easy. > > Knowing where you are relative to a map is 95% of the solution in > any area. John, are you a Luddite? Do you know that you could have this conversation using handwritten letters and the Postal Service? When i'm traveling, I have at least a Turn-by-turn GPS and a map, plus my iPhone, which is inferior for this purpose so far. It takes a lot of the uncertainty out of traveling in new places, and lets us enjoy the trip. When the gas gauge is on 1/4 and it's pitch black out between towns, it's good to know the next fuel stop is 5.3 miles ahead. I grew up with maps, traveled extensively with maps. There just is no comparison. archived from misc.phone.mobile.iphone

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On 2009-08-03, Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> wrote: > That's a competitive price for actual GPS navigation software with voice > prompting. Very competitive, in fact. Unfortunately, the iPhone isn't the > ideal PND device (it takes the app about 30 seconds to start up, and since > it can't run in the background, an incoming call knocks out your navigation > for the length of the call plus at least 30 seconds.) That's not quite true - although 3rd party apps can't run in the background, the phone system can, so you can run the navigation app during the phone call. Why are you bothering to argue with this imbecile? archived from misc.phone.mobile.iphone

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RBnDFW <burkheimer gmail.com> wrote: > John Doe wrote: >> Knowing where you are relative to a map is 95% of the solution >> in any area. > > John, are you a Luddite? I was homeschooled by your mom, Arby. > Do you know that you could have this conversation using > handwritten letters and the Postal Service? Sure, Arby, or I could use a keyboard to type these messages... -- > Path: news.astraweb.com!border1.newsrouter.astraweb.com!feed.news.qwest.net!mpls-nntp-08.inet.qwest.net!news-out.readnews.com!transit3.readnews.com!news-out2.kabelfoon.nl!newsfeed.kabelfoon.nl!bandi.nntp.kabelfoon.nl!newsfeed.freenet.de!ecngs!feeder2.ecngs.de!feeder.erje.net!feeder.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!not-for-mail > From: RBnDFW <burkheimer gmail.com> > Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone > Subject: Re: iphone apps > Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 08:46:13 -0500 > Organization: A noiseless patient Spider > Lines: 65 > Message-ID: <h59ehj$qnq$1 news.eternal-september.org> > References: <PJ-dnXt7VeGU7-vXnZ2dnUVZ8n-dnZ2d brightview.co.uk> <020820092255085741%nospam nospam.invalid> <lrfnewsgroups-707DCE.14092003082009 news.panix.com> <00304850$0$28404$c3e8da3 news.astraweb.com> <030820091349116680%nospam nospam.invalid> <00588f42$0$8858$c3e8da3 news.astraweb.com> > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > X-Trace: news.eternal-september.org U2FsdGVkX19HlEYbDwLctUs1UeIpn2bDnwe1xJ05w+obOhHIfzxAB97saQKW5qgNapvi1v/PMws/s6xY0Wa7a42FY67lhyWavwW/aZjT8WwVJ4oveJSzEiRT3ja1LMHK8eopb0fR9dcUVWiWUHPpXA== > X-Complaints-To: abuse eternal-september.org > NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 13:53:55 +0000 (UTC) > In-Reply-To: <00588f42$0$8858$c3e8da3 news.astraweb.com> > X-Antivirus-Status: Clean > X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX19SnWIQYhRnafeh30xleRFEy72Yo/Y6/HY= > X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090804-1, 08/04/2009), Outbound message > Cancel-Lock: sha1:h6lVMrmDQnAOW9+86C9q7jAPe7g= > User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) > archived from misc.phone.mobile.iphone

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Previously on misc.phone.mobile.iphone, DJH said: > > Built-in, only if you receive them via email and only, I think, pre-'07 > > versions of Office (iow, no docx files). If you want to load in your > > own via WiFi, there are a plethora of apps that can be installed to > > enable you to store and view MS Office files on the iPhone, including > > the newer docx/xlsx/etc types. Some also have editing abilities. > > Do you mean, on a phone of this price, I can't transfer and save documents > and spreadsheets direct from the computer? Surely that's not correct is it?? > I assume once you get them on there they can be edited etc? Did you even read what I wrote? -- Jeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org Double ROT13 encoded for your protection "We uncovered a traitor, plugged a security leak, foiled a kidnapping, and broke up a major plot against the Barrayaran Imperium. And we got paid. What more do you want for one week?" "Well, it would have been nice if any of that had been on purpose, instead of by accident," (Elli Quinn and Miles Vorkosigan [Lois McMaster Bujold, "Brother's in Arms"]) archived from misc.phone.mobile.iphone

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NightStalker wrote: > In article <003099b9$0$29841$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, > jdoe@usenetlove.invalid says... >>> Navigon is a software package for the iPhone that includes its >>> own maps >> Local maps are unnecessary, Heady, since the iPhone includes >> Internet/3G connectivity. >> >> >> > > Not sure why I'm even joining in this argument, but here are some facts > - yup, actual FACTS: > > I have the Navigon app on my iPhone > > I also have a Tom Tom 930 standalone GPS > > On BOTH of these - the Tom Tom and the Navigon on the iPhone, the maps > are built-in. They are stored locally on the device. In ROM. The Tom > Tom has maps for several countries built in, including Australia, NZ, > USA, Canada, Western Europe, UK, etc etc. > > Navigon on the iPhone has all the Australian maps built in, as I bought > the Australian version. You can also buy the USA version, with the > entire USA maps built in. > > An internet connection is NOT needed. The Tom Tom doesn't even HAVE > internet connection except when it is plugged into the computer to do > any software updates etc. It does not need a connection to work. It is > standalone. > > The Navigon also does NOT need any internet or even phone connection to > work as a PND. Everything is included in the app, and stored locally on > the iPhone. IF an internet connection is available, then you can check > for updates to the app, but I repeat - the app does NOT need any > connection of any type to work, apart from the GPS satellites. > > Now you can argue all you like about these points, but these are real, > actual FACTS. As I type this, I have my iPhone with all data > connections turned off, and the 3G network turned off in the Settings, > and the Navigon app is working just fine. I just went out onto the > verandah where the unit can see the sky, it got its fix (took about 15 > seconds), has plotted my current position on the map, and I've just put > in my workplace as the destination and it has worked out the route. > > To repeat - it has worked out the current position and the route with NO > connection of any type apart from exposure to the GPS satellites in the > sky. > > Now carry on arguing if you like, but you will be making an even bigger > fool of yourself if you do. > Turn by turn navigation in a car whilst downloading maps on 3G is a car accident waiting to happen. On foot in London it was very useful. Also I have been to places here in the UK this year where reception was at times and in places not existent. Mike archived from misc.phone.mobile.iphone

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NightStalker <NightStalker somewhere.or.other> wrote: > jdoe usenetlove.invalid says... >> > Navigon is a software package for the iPhone that includes >> > its own maps >> >> Local maps are unnecessary, Heady, since the iPhone includes >> Internet/3G connectivity. > Not sure why I'm even joining in this argument But seriously... > but here are some facts - yup, actual FACTS: I love facts. > I have the Navigon app on my iPhone > > I also have a Tom Tom 930 standalone GPS > > On BOTH of these - the Tom Tom and the Navigon on the iPhone, > the maps are built-in. They are stored locally on the device. > In ROM. The Navigon on the iPhone stores maps in ROM? That is a neat trick, or your statement is a bad way to begin while emphatically claiming to provide facts. > An internet connection is NOT needed. The Tom Tom doesn't even > HAVE internet connection... It does not need a connection to > work... > The Navigon also does NOT need any internet or even phone > connection > but I repeat - the app does NOT need any connection of any type > to work, > Now you can argue all you like about these points, but these are > real, actual FACTS. Sounds like a rant to me. Look at the post in question, look at the short paragraph in question. I wrote: > It requires an Internet connection, unless you are lowering the > bar you raised above when talking about the built in application > and AT&T's subscription application. You need an Internet > connection and/or GPS reception in order to plot your current > location along the way. It does not require an Internet connection but "You need an Internet connection and/or GPS reception". Did you read the rest of that short paragraph? > Now carry on arguing if you like, but you will be making an even > bigger fool of yourself if you do. Says someone who latches hold of a phrase, in a short paragraph that does not dispute the point of his rant. -- > > NightStalker > > Path: news.astraweb.com!border5.newsrouter.astraweb.com!indigo.octanews.net!news-out.octanews.net!mauve.octanews.net!nx02.iad01.newshosting.com!209.197.12.242.MISMATCH!nx01.iad01.newshosting.com!newshosting.com!216.196.98.140.MISMATCH!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!backlog2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail > NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 16:08:43 -0500 > From: NightStalker <NightStalker somewhere.or.other> > Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone > Subject: Re: iphone apps > Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 07:08:43 +1000 > Message-ID: <MPG.24e340578d5908789898bf news-europe.giganews.com> > References: <PJ-dnXt7VeGU7-vXnZ2dnUVZ8n-dnZ2d brightview.co.uk> <020820092255085741%nospam nospam.invalid> <lrfnewsgroups-707DCE.14092003082009 news.panix.com> <00304850$0$28404$c3e8da3 news.astraweb.com> <EQIdm.126523$zq1.94080 newsfe22.iad> <003099b9$0$29841$c3e8da3 news.astraweb.com> > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > User-Agent: MicroPlanet-Gravity/2.60.2060 > Lines: 57 > X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com > X-Trace: sv3-dOrq0evyP/CCb2Oc56rGk8/Dr7x/l+JdirMlUWc7YleR0j3AyiEvFyAJS04oU5s+iEH4XB15T7TV9U9!p6u7RdfihaNTdcJyrzSGEr1LiB947uqsXbwY2FnfIXJjAEv0HuUoXgqtOm1ua0LLN+CAwXoc7if/!/rRa3vY= > X-Complaints-To: abuse giganews.com > X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html > X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers > X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly > X-Postfilter: 1.3.39 > Bytes: 3671 > X-Original-Bytes: 3628 > archived from misc.phone.mobile.iphone

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Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet unequivocal.co.uk> wrote: > Todd Allcock <elecconnec AnoOspamL.com> wrote: ... > Why are you bothering to argue with this imbecile? Heady was not arguing with you, moron. -- > Path: news.astraweb.com!border1.newsrouter.astraweb.com!feed.news.qwest.net!mpls-nntp-06.inet.qwest.net!216.196.98.141.MISMATCH!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!backlog2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.supernews.com!news.supernews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail > NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 11:48:59 -0500 > Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone > From: Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet unequivocal.co.uk> > Subject: Re: iphone apps > References: <PJ-dnXt7VeGU7-vXnZ2dnUVZ8n-dnZ2d brightview.co.uk> <020820092255085741%nospam nospam.invalid> <lrfnewsgroups-707DCE.14092003082009 news.panix.com> <00304850$0$28404$c3e8da3 news.astraweb.com> <EQIdm.126523$zq1.94080 newsfe22.iad> > User-Agent: slrn/pre0.9.9-111 (Linux) > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Message-ID: <slrnh7gpjr.ka6.jon+usenet snowy.squish.net> > Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 11:48:59 -0500 > Lines: 12 > X-Trace: sv3-PtwLQICgDRO0ASk4pvT5xRm/Ow8FpB+YW27qw1vEVdaVy7mNveP/AlaQctnDUjseN2DRiVAOdsxzm/W!oR/sC9/YYjbrD3OZzPH/StmgFQwtkeg5P5ORMYoHbWrjfE6JxCPnVv0ZQR0VtoHrUnS05rP2ygyk!eiA1cQ== > X-Complaints-To: www.supernews.com/docs/abuse.html > X-DMCA-Complaints-To: www.supernews.com/docs/dmca.html > X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers > X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly > X-Postfilter: 1.3.39 > Bytes: 1925 > archived from misc.phone.mobile.iphone

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NightStalker <NightStalker@somewhere.or.other> wrote: > jdoe@usenetlove.invalid says... >> NightStalker <NightStalker@somewhere.or.other> wrote: <Moron proclaims he is the bringer of facts, and then spews the following nonsense> >>> On BOTH of these - the Tom Tom and the Navigon on the iPhone, >>> the maps are built-in. They are stored locally on the device. >>> In ROM. >> The Navigon on the iPhone stores maps in ROM? That is a >> neat trick, or your statement is a bad way to begin while >> emphatically claiming to provide facts. > So where do you think it stores it? It is in non-volatile > memory, as it survives a power-off. The iPhone doesn't have a > "card" like an SD card. It has built-in memory, which is > non-volatile. OK - call it EEPROM if you like. It's still a > type of ROM. Or RAM, if it has a low-voltage continuous power > supply even when powered off. Makes no difference. A six-year-old can do mental gymnastics better than that, Moron, obviously you know nothing about computers or electronics. archived from misc.phone.mobile.iphone

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In article <003099b9$0$29841$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, jdoe@usenetlove.invalid says... > > > Navigon is a software package for the iPhone that includes its > > own maps > > Local maps are unnecessary, Heady, since the iPhone includes > Internet/3G connectivity. > > > Not sure why I'm even joining in this argument, but here are some facts - yup, actual FACTS: I have the Navigon app on my iPhone I also have a Tom Tom 930 standalone GPS On BOTH of these - the Tom Tom and the Navigon on the iPhone, the maps are built-in. They are stored locally on the device. In ROM. The Tom Tom has maps for several countries built in, including Australia, NZ, USA, Canada, Western Europe, UK, etc etc. Navigon on the iPhone has all the Australian maps built in, as I bought the Australian version. You can also buy the USA version, with the entire USA maps built in. An internet connection is NOT needed. The Tom Tom doesn't even HAVE internet connection except when it is plugged into the computer to do any software updates etc. It does not need a connection to work. It is standalone. The Navigon also does NOT need any internet or even phone connection to work as a PND. Everything is included in the app, and stored locally on the iPhone. IF an internet connection is available, then you can check for updates to the app, but I repeat - the app does NOT need any connection of any type to work, apart from the GPS satellites. Now you can argue all you like about these points, but these are real, actual FACTS. As I type this, I have my iPhone with all data connections turned off, and the 3G network turned off in the Settings, and the Navigon app is working just fine. I just went out onto the verandah where the unit can see the sky, it got its fix (took about 15 seconds), has plotted my current position on the map, and I've just put in my workplace as the destination and it has worked out the route. To repeat - it has worked out the current position and the route with NO connection of any type apart from exposure to the GPS satellites in the sky. Now carry on arguing if you like, but you will be making an even bigger fool of yourself if you do. -- NightStalker archived from misc.phone.mobile.iphone

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In article <00bd2bb2$0$12845$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, jdoe@usenetlove.invalid says... > > The Navigon on the iPhone stores maps in ROM? That is a > neat trick, or your statement is a bad way to begin while > emphatically claiming to provide facts. > > > So where do you think it stores it? It is in non-volatile memory, as it survives a power-off. The iPhone doesn't have a "card" like an SD card. It has built-in memory, which is non-volatile. OK - call it EEPROM if you like. It's still a type of ROM. Or RAM, if it has a low-voltage continuous power supply even when powered off. Makes no difference. The point is that the entire app, including the maps, are stored locally on the iPhone. > It requires an Internet connection, unless you are lowering the > bar you raised above when talking about the built in application > and AT&T's subscription application. You need an Internet > connection and/or GPS reception in order to plot your current > location along the way. > It does not require an Internet connection but "You need an > Internet connection and/or GPS reception". Did you read the rest > of that short paragraph? Not sure what point you're trying to push here? It does NOT require ANY internet access to plot your route along the way. GPS - yes, of course. But no internet connection is needed. It plots your "current location along the way" very nicely, as do all GPS units. And yes, I did read the whole sordid paragraph... ;) -- NightStalker archived from misc.phone.mobile.iphone

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In article <001898b9$0$1970$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, jdoe@usenetlove.invalid says... > > A six-year-old can do mental gymnastics better than that, Moron, > obviously you know nothing about computers or electronics. > > ROTFLMAO :) -- NightStalker archived from misc.phone.mobile.iphone

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spamfalle2@arcor.de (Marc Stibane) wrote: > In a world without walls A world without walls would be a world without windows. archived from misc.phone.mobile.iphone

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I wrote: > Or you can just wait a few weeks until some developer figures > out that all he needs to do is update the current location on > the map. Without trying very hard... I recently noticed that pressing the small scope icon in the bottom left corner of the built-in iPhone Maps program updates the user's location. For many GPS uses, that looks like great battery saver. That very simple method probably would have been excellent for the battery-sucking handheld Garmin GPS I no longer need. Either I missed something, or they missed something. Or maybe the near-instant position acquisition has something to do with the additional 3G/cell connectivity. Seeing the little arrow icon change direction was amusing, but practically useless here. archived from misc.phone.mobile.iphone

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Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> wrote: > > Or you can just wait a few weeks until some developer figures out > > that all he needs to do is update the current location on the map. > Again, licensing issues will prohibit that from showing up in a free app > with anything but the most rudimentary functions (a la Google Maps.) Or someone "enhances" the maps application like Youtube.app... http://www.iphonemodding.com/forum/... > Navigation, particularly voice navigation, requires expensive map licensing. Not neccessarily: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/... -- In a world without walls and fences, who needs windows and gates? archived from misc.phone.mobile.iphone

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NightStalker <NightStalker somewhere.or.other> wrote: > jdoe usenetlove.invalid says... >> I wrote: >> > Or you can just wait a few weeks until some developer figures >> > out that all he needs to do is update the current location on >> > the map. >> >> Without trying very hard... I recently noticed that pressing >> the small scope icon in the bottom left corner of the built-in >> iPhone Maps program updates the user's location. For many GPS >> uses, that looks like great battery saver. That very simple >> method probably would have been excellent for the >> battery-sucking handheld Garmin GPS I no longer need. Either I >> missed something, or they missed something. Or maybe the >> near-instant position acquisition has something to do with the >> additional 3G/cell connectivity. Seeing the little arrow icon >> change direction was amusing, but practically useless here. >> > > You mean you didn't know about the "Locate Me" button? Your mother f---ed my brains out, Moron. <snipped perpetually regurgitated tripe that was never in dispute, from a smiley faced idiot who does not even know the difference between ROM and RAM> -- > > -- > > NightStalker > > > Path: news.astraweb.com!border5.newsrouter.astraweb.com!news.glorb.com!news2.glorb.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!backlog2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail > NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 01:20:03 -0500 > From: NightStalker <NightStalker somewhere.or.other> > Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone > Subject: Re: iphone apps > Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 16:20:03 +1000 > Message-ID: <MPG.24e5131245ca34179898c2 news-europe.giganews.com> > References: <PJ-dnXt7VeGU7-vXnZ2dnUVZ8n-dnZ2d brightview.co.uk> <020820092255085741%nospam nospam.invalid> <lrfnewsgroups-707DCE.14092003082009 news.panix.com> <00304850$0$28404$c3e8da3 news.astraweb.com> <0026324c$0$687$c3e8da3 news.astraweb.com> > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > User-Agent: MicroPlanet-Gravity/2.60.2060 > Lines: 41 > X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com > X-Trace: sv3-YKB+aB9F2V3zO/ot10POhtV9gHm++Y0tUclx4ppMCFwGUSI4bvYCWY/gKctrsm3uDzRfrXsPknzpCoj!D8KLNYx30hbqwKNzRrJjoQIigRo9DlpNVGsUj84rglzP/EyzeycUHKA6I6SVcb7jD2+7xyRyRVyn!3xdAjpM= > X-Complaints-To: abuse giganews.com > X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html > X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers > X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly > X-Postfilter: 1.3.39 > X-Original-Bytes: 2965 > archived from misc.phone.mobile.iphone

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In article <571f75lgm6ugrk73gvkfci7v7d2d1ugvbj@4ax.com>, Anne <Anne@noyb.com> wrote: > On 03 Aug 2009 19:33:54 GMT, John Doe <jdoe@usenetlove.invalid> wrote: > > >Loren Finkelstein <lrfnewsgroups@lrf.net> wrote: > > > > > > >> It's a 1.3 gig download because it contains maps of the > >> whole US, so it doesn't require an internet connection. > > Navigon AG is 557mb download not 1.3gb The iTunes store lists it as 1.29GB. I wasn't paying attention to the size when it downloaded. archived from misc.phone.mobile.iphone

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In article <00304850$0$28404$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, John Doe <jdoe@usenetlove.invalid> wrote: > Loren Finkelstein <lrfnewsgroups@lrf.net> wrote: > > > nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote: > >> DJH <spam@spamspams.com> wrote: > > >> > Much has been made of the Sat Nav on the new iphone. Does it > >> > come ready installed? > >> > >> do you mean the gps? the maps application will locate via gps > >> and/or skyhook, but actual gps turn by turn navigation requires > >> a separate app. already there are a couple with more coming, > >> and a plethora of apps that use location for various purposes. > > > > As said, the built in Maps application can find where you are, > > can generate directions and can direct you on your trip, > > The integrated application also provides bus schedule information > for major metropolitan areas, at least in the United States. After > your current location is determined (in a few seconds), you simply > enter the destination. You then have the bus departure time and > the transfer times for your entire route. You can also select a > different departure time that automatically generates different > transfer times or even different bus routes. I love those features of the built in App. Walking directions. Subway directions. It's great. > > but you have to keep hitting "next" at each step of your trip. > > It's too hands on if you are alone. Can be almost as dangerous > > as txting while driving. But it's fine if you have a passenger > > who is doing the navigation. > > > > And, it only works while you have an internet connection. > > True, unless you know where you are. And if you know where you are, you probably don't need GPS assistance. But, my point was, if you are on a trip and in a place where AT&T doesn't have a good data network, you can't use the built in Map application to find your way. But the Navigon app has maps stored on the iPhone, so you can use it even without being able to connect to the internet. > > Navigon AG just released their iPhone app which is a full on GPS > > system. It's a 1.3 gig download because it contains maps of the > > whole US, so it doesn't require an internet connection. > > It requires an Internet connection, unless you are lowering the > bar you raised above when talking about the built in application > and AT&T's subscription application. You need an Internet > connection and/or GPS reception in order to plot your current > location along the way. Not true. While the original iPhone didn't have true GPS and used both the internet and the cell network to find you, the iPhone 3G and 3GS both have real GPS. They can find you whether you have an internet connection or not. So, if you are on a trip on a place with poor AT&T data coverage, as I mentioned earlier, you can still use Navigon to find you and to plot a trip. > > It is currently on sale for $69.99 until 8/15/09. > > You think that is a good thing? Do you work for them? No, I don't work for them, and I didn't say it was a good thing or a bad thing I simply stated a fact that it's on sale. However, since you bring it up, I do think it's a good thing that if you want it you can get it now, for a cheaper price then it will sell for next week. I also think the price is pretty good, since buying a separate GPS system is more expensive. This way, I save money, and I don't need to carry an additional device. > > In the long run it will be much much cheaper than AT&T. > > Or you can just wait a few weeks until some developer figures out > that all he needs to do is update the current location on the map. > > In my opinion, turn by turn directions are not the best way to go, > unless you have immediate information about your route, not only > including road construction and detours, but also traffic congestion. > Just having an indication of where you are and having a pointer to > where you are going is good enough IMO. You need to keep your eyes on > the road anyway. Well, whether you want a GPS navigation system or not is your own choice. If you don't like them, I don't know why you would waste your time discussing them. Loren archived from misc.phone.mobile.iphone

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In article <0026324c$0$687$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, jdoe@usenetlove.invalid says... > I wrote: > > > Or you can just wait a few weeks until some developer figures > > out that all he needs to do is update the current location on > > the map. > > Without trying very hard... I recently noticed that pressing the > small scope icon in the bottom left corner of the built-in iPhone > Maps program updates the user's location. For many GPS uses, that > looks like great battery saver. That very simple method probably > would have been excellent for the battery-sucking handheld Garmin > GPS I no longer need. Either I missed something, or they missed > something. Or maybe the near-instant position acquisition has > something to do with the additional 3G/cell connectivity. Seeing > the little arrow icon change direction was amusing, but > practically useless here. > You mean you didn't know about the "Locate Me" button? And if you look very hard, you would have noticed that once the Google Maps app has your location, and then you move off either on foot, by car, or whatever, it updates as you go - by GPS. It also triangulates using cell towers. That's how it can locate you even when you're indoors. If you're on a 3G connection, then the Google Maps will update as you move. With a dedicated GPS Navigation program, like the new Navigon one, you don't even need a 3G connection - just GPS. ALL the maps are stored locally on the unit, as I've pointed out on another thread. But we won't start that argument again, as you somehow don't believe this fact ;) -- NightStalker archived from misc.phone.mobile.iphone

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On Fri, 7 Aug 2009 01:22:22 GMT, "B. Meighn" <bmeighn@notvalid.com> wrote: > >On 6-Aug-2009, John Doe <jdoe@usenetlove.invalid> wrote: > >> When was the last time you saw a window without a wall? > >When was the last time you felt a breeze of freedom or saw the light of choice through the choke >hold Apple has on iPhone apps? So True!! archived from misc.phone.mobile.iphone

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Loren Finkelstein <lrfnewsgroups@lrf.net> wrote: > John Doe <jdoe@usenetlove.invalid> wrote: ... >> It requires an Internet connection, unless you are lowering the >> bar you raised above when talking about the built in >> application and AT&T's subscription application. You need an >> Internet connection and/or GPS reception in order to plot your >> current location along the way. > > Not true. While the original iPhone didn't have true GPS and > used both the internet and the cell network to find you, the > iPhone 3G and 3GS both have real GPS. They can find you whether > you have an internet connection or not. Maybe you do not understand the English construction "and/or". If you think you do understand it, reread the last sentence in my paragraph above. archived from misc.phone.mobile.iphone

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On 5-Aug-2009, John Doe <jdoe@usenetlove.invalid> wrote: > A world without walls would be a world without windows. Wrong. Windows let light and fresh air in. Apple insists on a wall with only a little slot. And only they can decide what comes through the slot. Microsoft has _never_ been as controlling as Apple. archived from misc.phone.mobile.iphone

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"John Doe" <jdoe@usenetlove.invalid> wrote in message news:000afa6c$0$2625$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com... > Loren Finkelstein <lrfnewsgroups@lrf.net> wrote: > >> John Doe <jdoe@usenetlove.invalid> wrote: > > ... > >>> It requires an Internet connection, unless you are lowering the >>> bar you raised above when talking about the built in >>> application and AT&T's subscription application. You need an >>> Internet connection and/or GPS reception in order to plot your >>> current location along the way. >> >> Not true. While the original iPhone didn't have true GPS and >> used both the internet and the cell network to find you, the >> iPhone 3G and 3GS both have real GPS. They can find you whether >> you have an internet connection or not. > > Maybe you do not understand the English construction "and/or". If you > think you do understand it, reread the last sentence in my paragraph > above. Right after you reread the first sentence in your paragraph above: "It requires an Internet connection, unless you are lowering the bar you raised above when talking about the built in application and AT&T's subscription application." The last sentence: "You need an Internet connection and/or GPS reception in order to plot your current location along the way" would seem to refer solely to "plotting your current location." Which part of using the program do you think the first sentence applies to? The initial download of the app? archived from misc.phone.mobile.iphone

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"B. Meighn" <bmeighn@notvalid.com> wrote: > John Doe <jdoe@usenetlove.invalid> wrote: >> A world without walls would be a world without windows. > > Wrong. When was the last time you saw a window without a wall? archived from misc.phone.mobile.iphone

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On 6-Aug-2009, John Doe <jdoe@usenetlove.invalid> wrote: > When was the last time you saw a window without a wall? When was the last time you felt a breeze of freedom or saw the light of choice through the choke hold Apple has on iPhone apps? archived from misc.phone.mobile.iphone

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"B. Meighn" <bmeighn@notvalid.com> wrote: > John Doe <jdoe@usenetlove.invalid> wrote: >> When was the last time you saw a window without a wall? > > When was the last time you felt a breeze of freedom or saw the > light of choice through the choke hold Apple has on iPhone apps? When was the last time you saw a beaver sitting on a flagpole waving goodbye to the Goodyear blimp? archived from misc.phone.mobile.iphone

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Anne <Anne@noyb.com> wrote: > So True!! It's true! It's true! archived from misc.phone.mobile.iphone

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On 2009-08-07, B. Meighn <bmeighn@notvalid.com> wrote: > When was the last time you felt a breeze of freedom or saw the light > of choice through the choke hold Apple has on iPhone apps? To be fair, given the number of Flashlight apps, everyone should be able to find their light of choice on the appstore ;-) I'm sure there's a joke to be had connecting the iFart apps and the "breeze of freedom", but I'll leave that as an exercise for the reader. archived from misc.phone.mobile.iphone

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"Todd Allcock" <elecconnec AnoOspamL.com> wrote: > "You need an Internet connection and/or GPS reception in order > to plot your current location along the way" would seem to refer > solely to "plotting your current location." Very good, Heady! -- > > > > > > Path: news.astraweb.com!border2.newsrouter.astraweb.com!npeer03.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!post01.iad.highwinds-media.com!newsfe08.iad.POSTED!f09e3bc5!not-for-mail > From: "Todd Allcock" <elecconnec AnoOspamL.com> > Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone > References: <PJ-dnXt7VeGU7-vXnZ2dnUVZ8n-dnZ2d brightview.co.uk> <020820092255085741%nospam nospam.invalid> <lrfnewsgroups-707DCE.14092003082009 news.panix.com> <00304850$0$28404$c3e8da3 news.astraweb.com> <lrfnewsgroups-5531E1.13015106082009 news.panix.com> <000afa6c$0$2625$c3e8da3 news.astraweb.com> > In-Reply-To: <000afa6c$0$2625$c3e8da3 news.astraweb.com> > Subject: Re: iphone apps > Lines: 38 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > X-Priority: 3 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 > Message-ID: <olOem.96421$9P.61492 newsfe08.iad> > X-Complaints-To: abuse WWWSpace.NET > NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 04:47:16 UTC > Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 22:47:02 -0600 > > archived from misc.phone.mobile.iphone

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Loren Finkelstein wrote: > In article <020820092255085741%nospam@nospam.invalid>, > nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote: > >> In article <PJ-dnXt7VeGU7-vXnZ2dnUVZ8n-dnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>, DJH >> <spam@spamspams.com> wrote: >> >>> Much has been made of the Sat Nav on the new iphone. Does it come ready >>> installed? >> do you mean the gps? the maps application will locate via gps and/or >> skyhook, but actual gps turn by turn navigation requires a separate >> app. already there are a couple with more coming, and a plethora of >> apps that use location for various purposes. > > As said, the built in Maps application can find where you are, can > generate directions and can direct you on your trip, but you have to > keep hitting "next" at each step of your trip. It's too hands on if you > are alone. Can be almost as dangerous as txting while driving. But > it's fine if you have a passenger who is doing the navigation. > > And, it only works while you have an internet connection. If you drive > into the middle of nowhere and have no internet, then you will see the > little blue dot that is you in the middle of a blank screen where the > map should be. > > AT&T offers a turn by turn navigation system that will function more > like a traditional car GPS telling you when to turn and such. It costs > $9.99/month and also is useless without internet access. And is quite a > price gouge if you ask me. > > http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/... > 84&mt=8 > > Navigon AG just released their iPhone app which is a full on GPS system. > It's a 1.3 gig download because it contains maps of the whole US, so it > doesn't require an internet connection. It is currently on sale for > $69.99 until 8/15/09. In the long run it will be much much cheaper than > AT&T. My experience was that it took a while to find a GPS signal (even > though the Maps app knew where I was) but once it did, it worked > flawlessly. And when I missed a turn, it recalculated a new path much > faster than any other GPS system I have ever used. > > http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/... > 42&mt=8 > > They also have one for Europe. > > http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/... > 93&mt=8 > > Loren Had a similar experience with the UK version although I have had to do a re-install as it started to not find GPS, not sure it was the 1.1 update. Chris archived from misc.phone.mobile.iphone

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