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Name: fishman3226
Date: September 11, 2008 at 05:36:50 Pacific
OS: winxp sp3
CPU/Ram: p4
Product: generic
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Hi all.

I have a wireless networking issue that is driving me nuts. I cannot share files and folders.

I have a desktop with winxp home sp3 (IP 192.168.0.177)and a laptop win xp pro sp2 (IP 192.168.0.155.) Both are connected wirelessly thru to a dlink di-524 and are connected to the same workgroup. I have zonealarm on both and running avast as my antivirus.

What is happening is that I cannot ping either machine (although I can ping the router) nor share files. I cannot see the other machine thru 'view workgroup computers.' I have allowed a trusted zone for both IPs and also the subnet for both computers.

I am only trying to share and alter folders thru the network. Any thoughts?



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Response Number 1
Name: paulsep
Date: September 11, 2008 at 07:10:49 Pacific
Reply:

Maybe the Windows Firewall is still running in background.
Have you checked that?


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Response Number 2
Name: najitech
Date: September 11, 2008 at 13:10:07 Pacific
Reply:

Have you actually set up File and Printer Sharing at each PC?

1 Corinthians 15:3-4


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Response Number 3
Name: fishman3226
Date: September 11, 2008 at 13:42:36 Pacific
Reply:

Yup disabled windows firewall on both. Also file and printer sharing enabled also. Would it perhaps be something within the router that needs to be setup?


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Response Number 4
Name: paulsep
Date: September 11, 2008 at 14:13:22 Pacific
Reply:

Normally not, because both computers are at the internal network.
Router Firewalls normally only block traffic from the WAN (DSL) interface to the LAN interface.


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Response Number 5
Name: najitech
Date: September 11, 2008 at 15:29:56 Pacific
Reply:

Try disabling ZoneAlarm at both PCs, and then see what happens. Start by trying to ping each computer from the other.

1 Corinthians 15:3-4


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Response Number 6
Name: fishman3226
Date: September 11, 2008 at 15:44:24 Pacific
Reply:

Tried that also - didnt work. No error codes either


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Response Number 7
Name: paulsep
Date: September 11, 2008 at 16:37:50 Pacific
Reply:

Is it possible to go to the internet with each PC via wireless connection?

If not, check the wireless configuration like encryption, MAC filter aso.


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Response Number 8
Name: fishman3226
Date: September 11, 2008 at 17:17:17 Pacific
Reply:

I can get internet on both machines with wireless. I can ping the router and access it thru machines.


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Response Number 9
Name: paulsep
Date: September 11, 2008 at 17:27:17 Pacific
Reply:

So the IP configuration of the PCs is like this?

IP-Address: 192.168.0.155
Subnet: 255.255.255.0
Gateway: 192.168.0.1
DHCP-Server: 192.168.0.1
DNS-Server: 192.168.0.1

and

IP-Address: 192.168.0.177
Subnet: 255.255.255.0
Gateway: 192.168.0.1
DHCP-Server: 192.168.0.1
DNS-Server: 192.168.0.1

???


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Response Number 10
Name: fishman3226
Date: September 11, 2008 at 17:32:14 Pacific
Reply:

Nope, DNS servers are those specified by the ISP, DHCP shows on ipconfig /all that it is not enabled. Everything else is the same however.


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Response Number 11
Name: paulsep
Date: September 11, 2008 at 17:34:43 Pacific
Reply:

OK, what's about the following:

At the PC 192.168.0.155

tracert 192.168.0.177

What does this show to you?


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Response Number 12
Name: fishman3226
Date: September 11, 2008 at 17:45:22 Pacific
Reply:

Times out from the first 'hop' - request timed out. Does the same from .177 to .155


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Response Number 13
Name: paulsep
Date: September 11, 2008 at 17:54:16 Pacific
Reply:

What does the zonealarm log show? Anything bocked from the 192.168.0.x IP?

And if you temporarily disable the firewalls on both PCs?
A simple ping must work if firewalls are disabled.


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Response Number 14
Name: fishman3226
Date: September 11, 2008 at 18:04:02 Pacific
Reply:

Nothing blocked at all from either IP. Cant ping when zonealarm is disabled either


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Response Number 15
Name: paulsep
Date: September 11, 2008 at 18:09:05 Pacific
Reply:

When looking in My Networks/Properties, is there a Wireless Connection shown with a number, added to it at any PC?


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Response Number 16
Name: fishman3226
Date: September 11, 2008 at 18:14:36 Pacific
Reply:

Not sure what you mean.. I went to my network places and there is a wireless network connection 2 on .177 and on the laptop (.155) there is wireless connection 6. No others show though there is on both Local Area Connection for the ethernet cards on both


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Response Number 17
Name: paulsep
Date: September 11, 2008 at 18:29:12 Pacific
Reply:

OK, what I mean is, if you put a wireless card into the laptop, Windows creates an entry for it in the registy.
If you change the card, or the PCMCIA slot, Windows creates a new entry for it in the registry.
What happens know is, Windows has 2 entries for e.g. the same card in different slots. Now Windows uses a part of the configuration of the first entry and another part of the configuration from the other entry.

I had this problem by myself a few month ago.
I corrected the problem by using REGEDIT, searched for wireless connetion, deleted all found entries (the whole configuration folder), close REGEDIT, back to the my network places, pressed the F5 key and got a new unconfigured entry "wireless connection" without any number.
Then I configured the wireless connection and it worked.

You should use REGEDIT only, if you know what you are doing. Read everything twice before deleting it.


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Response Number 18
Name: fishman3226
Date: September 12, 2008 at 00:17:12 Pacific
Reply:

I worry about regedit. I can see what you mean though.

Should I also say that I can see the other computer (an icon with the name of the pc shows under 'view workgroup computers') but I dont have permission to access it... Sigh...

If i try to access it thru \\192.168.0.x it comes back that it cannot find the path though thru the computer name it says no permission.


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Response Number 19
Name: paulsep
Date: September 12, 2008 at 06:26:44 Pacific
Reply:

That's what I meant.
Windows get's confused by the multiple entries for the wireless network card.
As I know, there is no other chance to solve this problem, because deinstalling and reinstalling drivers or something like that will not work.

And again, only use REGEDIT if you know what you're doing with it. It's at your own risk.

But if you do the right things at described, it solves the problem.


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Response Number 20
Name: DanJ
Date: September 12, 2008 at 13:19:15 Pacific
Reply:

Some routers have a feature, Linksys calls it AP Isolation, that isolates each wireless connection as a security feature. Your router may have a similiar feature.

Check the router configuration and see if it has such a feature and try disabling it.


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Response Number 21
Name: josh (by jpag3074)
Date: October 6, 2008 at 21:02:39 Pacific
Reply:

First off make your life easy and set a static DNS of the router for your Primary DNS

Start>Control Panel>Network Connections
Right Click Wireless LAN> Properties> click (IPv4 not IPv6 if avail) 'TCP/IP'> Properties

Leave the Obtain IP Automatically bubbled
Manually set DNS - 192.168.0.1 (if that is the correct router address)

Also, just for giggles, uninstall your firewall. If you are able to start pinging again, then re-install it, and you'll know it is the configuration of that third party firewall.

Ensure File and Printer sharing is enabled and shares are setup

Thanks for any input.


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Response Number 22
Name: filesponge
Date: October 18, 2008 at 15:44:46 Pacific
Reply:

Hello.

Just a quick note here, that may of help to somebody (i hate getting network stuff fixed, a real nightmare of numbers and fiddly bits, often like fixing a Rubics' Cube with your eyes shut).

Anyway, there where issues a few releases back, with Zone Alarm, in that it would block all kinds of things, and even uninstalling it completely (and deleting its registry bits manually) still left many users unable to get control back again. I believe this was in version 6 - can anybody else remember that? i was an avid user of Zone Alarm till then, but have never trusted it since.

That may not be your problem though, but i just thought i'd mention that bit of history.

Also, just in case it's another silly thing going wrong in Windows, maybe you could attempt Remote Control of the other PC ?
(using the Remote Assistance facility).

I know that may not be an answer to your problem, but when done correctly, i find it an easy to use method of checking that i go got my IP addresses all ok.

Final point, i know you said you'd disabled XP's firewall, but there is a possibly hidden fault that occurs sometimes in Windows. Despite the firewall being off, it still needs to have the settings told to allow connections through - don't ask me why, but it is this way. I've seen it happen often but usually only with using
Microsofts ACTIVE-SYNC utility on PDA devices.

It seems that unless the actual firewall 'service' is shut down, it's still possible for it to block some kinds of connection. As Josh has said, get rid of it (though it isn't possible to uninstall it, only to turn off the firewall service instead).


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