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Name: kostello
Date: June 9, 2008 at 06:42:42 Pacific
OS: WINXP PRO SP2
CPU/Ram: P4 3.0GHZ 1GB RAM
Product: HP
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Hello people.
I have a problem with a network setup.
There are 3 computers connected wireless to Hot Spot. These computers are not connected with each other. I have a printer installed in one of them via USB and i want to install the printer to the other 2 pc's as well but with no cable. I had done it in the past and now with the same way i cannot do it. The computers cannot see each other. They are on the same workgroup and they cannot see the shared printer. Simple file sharing is enabled. Local area network is off because there is no connection between the computers, but in the wireless connection i have put the ip's i get from ipconfig. I hope you understand what you mean. Please help. it pisses me real off for days. If you dont understand something please let me know

Many many thanx



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Response Number 1
Name: StuartS
Date: June 9, 2008 at 06:52:02 Pacific
Reply:

I don't think you are going to be able to share anything through a public wi-fi hot-spot. Just think of the security ramifications if that were possible.

If you can share recources through the hot-spot, so can anyone else that happens to log on to it.

Stuart


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Response Number 2
Name: kostello
Date: June 9, 2008 at 07:03:19 Pacific
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No you didnt understand. I dont share anything through the hotspot. I share the printer that is installed on one computer. Just forget the hotspot for a while. The hotspot used from the computers to connect to the internet. But the problem is that the computers cannot see each other. They cant even ping each other neither the hotspot gateway. So they are not able to see the shared printer which is installed on the one pc. In other words i want to make all 3 pc's to print from one printer which is connected via USB cable on one of them. Remember that all computers are not connected between them. The only relationship they've got is that they use the same hot spot gateway to connect to the internet and get an ip.


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Response Number 3
Name: wanderer
Date: June 9, 2008 at 08:15:15 Pacific
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"Remember that all computers are not connected between them." and " Local area network is off because there is no connection between the computers"

Without a local lan, how do you think you are going to make a connection between the three?

Magic?

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Response Number 4
Name: StuartS
Date: June 9, 2008 at 09:55:28 Pacific
Reply:

If the only thing the computers are connected to is the hot spot then you have to share through that, which I I said previously, is probably not possible.

There has to be a common link between the computers to share anything. Usually its a switch. In your case you are trying to use the hot-spot. Buy a switch they are not expensive.

Stuart


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Response Number 5
Name: computingMonk
Date: June 9, 2008 at 09:57:17 Pacific
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Tell us more about this hotspot gateway. Does it do LAN routing? Is it your own hotspot you setup or is it someone elses? Whos the manufacturer and whats the model number? All of your computers use it to connect to the internet but you can't ping it?
More info.

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Response Number 6
Name: wanderer
Date: June 9, 2008 at 12:05:21 Pacific
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Even with a hot spot with no networking the OP isn't going from here to there.

kostello has to understand the basics before trying to take advantage of a hot spot.

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Response Number 7
Name: StuartS
Date: June 9, 2008 at 13:24:03 Pacific
Reply:

Having thought about I think the OP is trying to connect his computers together via a ad-hoc network while at the same time connect to the hot-spot via an infrastructure network. Something that cannot be done - it is one or the other but not both. To make that work you would need two wireless cards in each computer. Better buying a switch.

Stuart


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Response Number 8
Name: kostello
Date: June 9, 2008 at 23:37:46 Pacific
Reply:

Ok sorry for being late. I will tell you how i made those 3 computers to print from one printer in tha past. The steps:
start-settings-printers & faxes- add printer-then i select network printer or printer attached to another computer- then find a printer and it searches in the workgroup. In the workgroup it finds the computers that are under this workgroup and then i clicked to the computer that have the printer attached and it showed the printer. i chose the printer and then windows install the drivers for the selected printer.
Now the problem is that i cannot see the workgroup and the shared printer. I quess that has something to do with ip addressing. As i connect to a wireless hot spot i have the pc's to obtain ip automatically. But the hot spot assigns specific ip's to each computer.The same ip every time it connects. In the settings of the wireless network connection i have entered the ip assigned everytime to each computer. In the past the computers had an ip assigned in the local area network. When for some reason i set it to obtain ip automaticaly then it stopped browsing the shared resources (printer) and the computers under the workgroup. I put back the same ip's as they were before and didnt work again. i dont need a switch there because i dont want to connect the computers. Each computer is individual.Probably i could see the other computers in the past because they were connected to the hotspot and under the same workgroup. I can also see other workgroups from other people that connect to the hot spot and their computers have a workgroup name.


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Response Number 9
Name: kostello
Date: June 9, 2008 at 23:48:28 Pacific
Reply:

"Without a local lan, how do you think you are going to make a connection between the three?

Magic?"

There was a local lan but now it got lost. I use the same settings as before but nothing happens now. I need the computers to communicate between them wirelessly. They all can ping the hot spot gateway (where they get internet from) but they cannot ping each other.
It pisses me off! I cant see myself doing something wrong.

"kostello has to understand the basics before trying to take advantage of a hot spot"

I have set up dozens of networks...


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Response Number 10
Name: StuartS
Date: June 10, 2008 at 01:56:39 Pacific
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>> I need the computers to communicate between them wirelessly. <<

Thats an ad-hoc wireless network. As they are already connected to a hot spot, an infrastructure network, they can't connect to each other at the same time. It doesn't work that way.

You need to read up on the difference between an ad-hoc network and an infrastructure network. To start you thinking consider this.

For an given channel a wi-fi device transmits and receives on different frequencies. For communication to take place one device must be receiving on the same frequency as the other is transmitting on. Understand the implications of that and you will realise what you are trying to do will never work.

Stuart


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Response Number 11
Name: gmurph
Date: June 10, 2008 at 08:36:15 Pacific
Reply:

Stuart seems to have the right answer. Everything has to be on the same frequency.

George
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Response Number 12
Name: kostello
Date: June 10, 2008 at 10:44:52 Pacific
Reply:

As far as i know all 3 computers receive from the same channel from the hot spot. Thats true because they all connect to the same hot spot.I dont how it worked before but it really did because i did it and all computers could print from that damn printer. I will give it a try tomorrow again. Is there any possibility the computers that are connected to the hot spot to form a workgroup?For example lets say i have 2 computers where their workgroup name is HOME and another two computers with workgroup name OFFICE.If all 4 of them are connected to the same hot spot then from one computer i could be able to see the two workgroup networks, right?and therefore i could see any shares that are available in the workgroup that the computer i use that moment belongs to.Is it like this or im wrong? I m saying that because this is the way i think the computers were connected before and could see each others shares. Because i could also see other networks(workgroup names) from people that had logged into the hot spot before.I guess this happens because they are all connected to the same hotspot under the same gateway.


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