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Name: Cathy
Date: November 23, 2001 at 19:03:13 Pacific
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njcathie

I just purchased a new computer with XP Home on it. On my old computer (Win98) I was able to set up VPN to my company and access all the network resources. Now with XP Home I can connect to my company network, but cannot browse the network. What am I doing wrong? am I missing something in the settings? Is this because I am using XP Home and not Pro? I've been surfing looking for an answer to whether I have the correct version of XP and have found yes's and no's.

Cathy



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Response Number 1
Name: Smitty
Date: November 23, 2001 at 22:31:54 Pacific
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XP Home wasn't designed to logon to a domain. Bill recommends you buy a copy of XP Pro for only $100 more if you need that kind of functionality.


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Response Number 2
Name: Cathy
Date: November 24, 2001 at 08:30:15 Pacific
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That's fine but every place I look it's $199, not $100. Where do you see the upgrade for that price?


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Response Number 3
Name: Smitty
Date: November 24, 2001 at 12:49:25 Pacific
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I meant that the Pro upgrade is $100 more than the Home upgrade, not only $100. Sorry! You can get the full OEM version for about $135 on this site.

http://www.compuplus.com/productname.php3?sid=57tzvq3d765vo4f&mfr_name=Microsoft

You have to install it from scatch though. Don't think you can use it to upgrade unless someone knows a trick that I don't know about.


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Response Number 4
Name: Smitty
Date: November 24, 2001 at 18:28:20 Pacific
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I don't think she said anything about loging into a router? I'm assuming she's logging into a RAS server on a domain. I thought this site was for helping each other. Thanks for the kind words CNCJake & you might wanna read this Microsoft Knowledge Base article if you don't want to beleive me.

http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q295/0/17.ASP?LN=EN-US&SD=gn&FR=0&qry=domain%20logon&rnk=43&src=DHCS_MSPSS_gn_SRCH&SPR=WINXP


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Response Number 5
Name: Cathy
Date: November 24, 2001 at 21:37:15 Pacific
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Thanks Smitty. But how do you think this will work if I'm part of a cable network. I know they have me logging into their domain and being part of a workgroup called @Home. With XP Home do you think I will still be able to get around this? I know that cable networks don't like you to use VPN, but on Win98 it was a snap. Here it seems so difficult. Everyone I spoke to so far said XP Home should have no problem doing it.

Cathy


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Response Number 6
Name: Cathy
Date: November 25, 2001 at 08:29:01 Pacific
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I've read the info you pointed out but it doesn't help. I have not problem logging into the Company domain, once there I can't browse. When I click on show network the only one I see is my cable network. Didn't have this problem with '98. Someone at CompUSA suggested I add IPX/SPX but when I do it also adds NW/Link and my company network rejects it. Only Protocol I have is TCP/IP. I can't figure out what I am missing in XP that would allow me to browse the company domain.

I was going to catch up on work issues during this 4 day weekend, but that's certainly lost. Something within all the new gadgets of XP I am missing something that will allow me to browse the Company network.....sigh.......but what....

If I pay $299 to get the XP Professional will it even work? I just feel it's something in the configurations.

Cath


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Response Number 7
Name: Smitty
Date: November 25, 2001 at 09:42:57 Pacific
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The server might have NetBeui installed for communicating on the LAN. You might try installing NetBeui on you XP machine. This KB article will show you how if you haven't done so already:

http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/q301/0/41.asp?LN=EN-US&SD=gn&FR=0&qry=netbeui&rnk=1&src=DHCS_MSPSS_gn_SRCH&SPR=WINXP

Do you know if NetBeui was installed on your 98 machine? Do you know for sure that your server is a domain controller or is it just a workgroup server? I first found out that XP Home couldn't logon to a domain by helping a company setup a new laptop on their domain with XP Home installed on it. No VPN, just a small LAN. I could access all the other PCs & I could find the server by doing a search but when I tried to access it, it just told me "Access Denied". I used the same user account that the employee used with his old Win98 laptop. I could also logon to the domain with his old 98 laptop & access all of the shared drives, no problem. Does anyone else at your company have XP Home & have they been able to access resources via the VPN? At work, do you have to specify a domain name when you login?


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Response Number 8
Name: Cathy
Date: November 25, 2001 at 10:55:35 Pacific
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Here's a good one, since I bought this computer already loaded, I don't have an XP Disk to download NetBeui. I searched my C drive for the files and there not there. ARG....I used to just build the computer and buy the software, but I didn't feel like messing with it this time.

Let me try to answer some of your questions so that you may continue helping. Yes it is a domain controller. I just looked at my 98 computer and I don't see the protocol NetBeui installed. I don't know anyone else with XP at this point.

One thing I am noticing is on the 98 machine I have the ability to choosing an Access Control Level and User-level control is selected and here, under Obtain list of users and groups from: I put my Domain Name. Since this allows resource sharing, do you think this is the issue. I don't have this option in XP or if I do, then somehow I'm not identifying it. The only ability I have when setting up the VPN is just adding my company IP address. Is there a way to define this in XP Home? I feel like I shooting blanks here.

Also, do you know any way to update Home to Professional. I've seen nothing to offer this other than an guy at CompUSA last night telling me that they offer a coupon to customers that purchase from them, which I didn't. I went to Best Buy and they say they don't offer this.

Thanks for all your help so far.

Cathy


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Response Number 9
Name: Smitty
Date: November 25, 2001 at 14:57:31 Pacific
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Nope, there's no way to specify a domain to log into, using the New Connection Wizard since the VPN connection & the domain logon are two separate processes. Your 98 PC had the ability to logon to a domain using the Client for Microsoft Networks properties. In the Network applet in the control panel, double-click on Client for Microsoft Networks & I'll bet that Logon to an NT domain is selected. If you take the VPN out of the picture & had that new XP computer
at your office, you wouldn't be able to logon to that domain controller, even if you were dircectly connected to it using a crossover cable. Here's a paragraph straight out of one of my MCSE Exam Prep books that might help.

After passing remote-access authentication & connecting to the LAN, remote-access clients log on to the Windows 2000 domain. After a successful domain logon process, the user's domain credentials are used to access resources for which they have premission. Remote-access clients are subject to Windows 2000 security, just as they are at the office. Remote-access clients cannot do anything for which they lack sufficient rights, nor can they access resources for which they do not have permission. The server must authenticate remote-access clients before they can access or generate traffic on the network. This authentication process is a separate step from logging onto Windows 2000.

I hope that helps cuz I'm out of options. Maybe someone will come out with a hack for it. I wish you could upgrade from XP Home to XP Pro for only $99. That would be nice. Good Luck!

Smitty


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Response Number 10
Name: Bill Gate
Date: January 26, 2002 at 22:27:08 Pacific
Reply:

Ya pay me more money then i will make Xp Platium (Home+Pro)heheh more money heheh


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Response Number 11
Name: Mike
Date: January 31, 2002 at 02:49:00 Pacific
Reply:

i have installed the netbeui protokoll. but it is only visible in LAN, not in RAS connections !
so, at the moment i have no idea what's to do. Microsoft told me to make a contract for network to get more information about this. silly.



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Response Number 12
Name: Bruce Drake
Date: February 10, 2002 at 12:49:27 Pacific
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I have a similar but slightly different problem than Cathy. I DO have XP Pro but have been unable to make an entirely succesful VPN connection to my company network (using Novell BorderManager to log in). Just like Smitty said, I was entirely thrown by the differences between Win98 (with which I CAN make a succesful connection)and XP Pro. The difference in what you see in the Client for Microsoft Networks properties is exactly how Smitty describes it.

My IT department authenticated the network domain on my XP Pro laptop and with much tinkering, I kind of get into the network and can access a few applications and addresses, but not others. I seem to find our mail server, but it just flashes a message over and over again about retrieving data from the named server.

Anyone have any ideas or suggestions?


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Response Number 13
Name: ronny
Date: March 6, 2002 at 17:46:55 Pacific
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Same problem, arent microsoft poo?
yet they dropped Netbeui, And my office network, like im sure all of yours uses Netbeui to do th ebulk of the communictaion.
They also use TCPIP, Which will be why you can log on to the network at all, and browe a few sites, prehaps surf the net from their domain (thats about all i can do).
PROBLEM IS
The network admin guys will firewall TCPIP comms from the VPN server to the rest of the network, so you cant do s--- once you get in there.. only way around this is ask them nicely to totally change how they have their network set up... FAT CHANCE in my case probably also in all of yours
XP pro will NOT help
windows 2000 Will
You can have netbeui over the VPN adapter in 2000
I think they call this a retrograde step... congrats bill
Ps the colour schemes crap too!


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Response Number 14
Name: Nate
Date: April 3, 2002 at 19:05:44 Pacific
Reply:

Cathy,
I experienced a similar problem to yours. Last week, I was able to connect to my company via VPN and Remote Desktop Connection. Our IT department recently imposed stricter security standards. Although I don't know exactly what measures were put in place. However, I do know that my VPN connection continued to succeed but I was unable to browse the network or to connect via Remote Desktop Connection.

I tried changing many settings. Finally, I enabled "Negotiate multi-link for single link connections." This is selected by editing the properties for the VPN connection (i.e. open Network Connections, right-click on the VPN connection, and select "Properties"). Next, select the "Networking" tab and click the "Settings" button beneath "Type of VPN." Check the box for "Negotiate multi-link for single link connections."

I hope this helps!

Regards,
Nate


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Response Number 15
Name: Mabus
Date: April 9, 2002 at 11:56:06 Pacific
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I also have a problem with Windows XP. I had XP home on my laptop and was trying to log into my work NT domain. In Windows 98 there is a box you can check in the network settings that will allow you to connect to an NT domain. XP home is not designed to log onto domains. So I got the Professional upgrade and there is a menu that allows you to log onto domains. I filled out all the required information and I didn't allow me to log onto my domain. If anyone has any suggestions I would greatly appreciate them.


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