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Name: RCNitro
Date: December 8, 2005 at 13:37:49 Pacific
OS: WinXP Pro SP1
CPU/Ram: Athlon64 3000+ / 1GB PC32
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I've got a cable internet connection that allows me two external IP addresses. I have one router for my existing home network of PC's that only need access to email, browsing, and the like. I recently converted the old dining room into an entertainment room, wired through a second (wireless) router. Right now, I've got that second router running through the first just to have the room online, but that first router's a crappy D-Link that's fine for general family use, but simply doesn't provide enough control over it's firewall to let most games (Steam included) through.

What I want to do is make that second router independant of the first, so each router has it's own external IP address.

The only other networking hardware I have are a switch and a hub, and my budget's too tight to really buy anything else... Ideas?



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Response Number 1
Name: Curt R
Date: December 8, 2005 at 13:51:17 Pacific
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Here's what I'd do.....I'd swap routers around and use the Dlink as just a switch....simple, cheap, effective.


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Response Number 2
Name: wanderer
Date: December 8, 2005 at 14:08:00 Pacific
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Better yet connect the internet to the hub.
Then connect the routers to the hub. Since you get two ip address each router will get one. Solution solved.

[If you can spare the switch it would be better but the ethernet connection from cable modem to router is usually 10mb half duplex so anything fancy is a waste.]


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Response Number 3
Name: RCNitro
Date: December 8, 2005 at 14:17:02 Pacific
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I tried swapping routers, but the wireless is half the reason I got the second router, and putting the wireless router where the D-Link is leaves me with no signal strength outside of that room... I suspect it's because that corner of the house is where the point of entry for the electricity,


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Response Number 4
Name: RCNitro
Date: December 8, 2005 at 14:28:31 Pacific
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I actually tried connecting them both through the switch too, with no luck... Even just one of them plugged into the switch wouldn't work.

The switch itself is fine, because if I pull two cables from the router and plug them into the switch, the connected systems can get IP's... But the routers themselves can't do it.

Anything in the router settings I'm missing?

Specifically, they're the D-Link DI-604 and the Linksys WRT54GC.


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Response Number 5
Name: Curt R
Date: December 8, 2005 at 14:54:49 Pacific
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Hmmm....I have a DI 604 at home myself and don't find it "a crappy D-Link that's fine for general family use, but simply doesn't provide enough control over it's firewall to let most games (Steam included) through."

Perhaps you need to get the manual and actually read it. I've set mine up so I can host several different games and allow my friend(s) to connect to me remotely through it via the games. Granted it's not a Cisco router (I have one of them too, a real router, not a switch with NAT and basic firewall software built in) but it is configurable and reasonably flexible within it's limitations.

I've worked with some linksys brand highspeed internet routers and didn't find them any more or less configurable than the dlink.


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Response Number 6
Name: RCNitro
Date: December 8, 2005 at 15:15:38 Pacific
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"The Dlink DI-604 will not allow you to forward enough ports to run Steam."

http://portforward.com/english/routers/port_forwarding/Dlink/DI-604/Steam.htm

Putting my gaming box in the DMZ didn't fix it either, and even if it did, that won't get a LAN room full of people onto a DoD: Source server.


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Response Number 7
Name: wanderer
Date: December 8, 2005 at 16:43:45 Pacific
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There is no reason why you can't connect through a hub or a switch and then to your router. It is done all the time if you get multiple ip addresses from one cable link.

OH DUH!!! DUDE I'LL BET YOU NEED A CROSSOVER CABLE TO GO FROM SWITCH/HUB TO ROUTER. THATS WHY YOU AREN'T GETTING ROUTER TO IPS CONNECTION.

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Response Number 8
Name: RCNitro
Date: December 8, 2005 at 17:33:11 Pacific
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Son-of-a... Someone smack me upside the head, please.

This is what happens when you get old, kids... You forget things. I'll be back once I'm home from work to formally admit my stupidity if it works. :P


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Response Number 9
Name: RCNitro
Date: December 9, 2005 at 06:51:11 Pacific
Reply:

Ok, so crossovers didn't fix it... Any more ideas?


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Response Number 10
Name: wanderer
Date: December 9, 2005 at 08:47:08 Pacific
Reply:

Sure sounded good didn't it :-)

With either cable do you get a lit light for the wan interface on the routers when you connect to the switch? Same with the hub?

Are you going into the web interface of the router when connected with modem>switch>router via http? If so what does it say on the wan interface? All zeros?

Can you connect the hub or switch to the cable modem and then hookup two pcs? Do they get ip addresses and on the internet?

If you connect either router to the cable modem the pcs connected to that router get internet?

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Response Number 11
Name: RCNitro
Date: December 9, 2005 at 09:53:48 Pacific
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No lit WAN light on the routers when going through the switch, and the port lights on the switch flash briefly when the cord's connected, then go out.

The web interface of the routers show all zeroes when they're run through the switch.

Connecting the switch to the modem, then connecting two computers to the switch gets both machines IP addresses.

Connecting one of the routers directly to the modem gets all systems connected to the router online.

I'm borrowing both a switch and a hub from a friend at work on the off chance there's still something wrong with both of mine.


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Response Number 12
Name: RCNitro
Date: December 12, 2005 at 19:59:27 Pacific
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Update time... So for some odd reason, it works with my buddy's hub, but not his switch.

I half expected my hub to be dead anyway, so that's not a surprise, but I can't figure out why it only works with the hub and not the switches...


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Response Number 13
Name: Zlobomir
Date: December 29, 2005 at 11:51:57 Pacific
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Because the hub only "throws" the raw data between its ports, while the switch tries to find the recipient? Sorry if silly..


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