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Name: iSlak
Date: August 16, 2002 at 07:42:08 Pacific
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I'm trying to share a DSL connetion with 4 computers. 2 of which are in room #1, while the other two are room #2.


Visualise this. 1 DSL Modem, connected to a 4 port router/hub (dual function device). 2 Computers are hooked up to this device (router), thus 2 of 4 ports are used on the router. A LAN cable connects to port #3 on the router, which leads to a 3 port hub (another device). Two more computers want to share the the internet connection by connecting to this hub.

I hope this isn't too confusing. If you know of something similar you can link me to, please do so.



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Response Number 1
Name: advisor
Date: August 16, 2002 at 07:49:31 Pacific
Reply:

Basically your setting is what I do.
I have a cable modem , linksys router.
2 pcs downstair, 2 pcs upstair
The one downstair connected directly to the linksys router. One hub goes up and connected to another hub which connected to two pcs.

So, what is your queston or concern?


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Response Number 2
Name: Suresh
Date: August 16, 2002 at 08:12:01 Pacific
Reply:

Hi,
You guys missed out on a point. You cannot connect a router and a hub. You have to us two hubs for this function and that is what advisor did. I connected aLAN of 8 computers and tried using one hub and one router but it did not work. Modem to Hub LINK and then other ports to computers. Try it. It would interest me to know the results.



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Response Number 3
Name: iSlak
Date: August 16, 2002 at 08:14:10 Pacific
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Sounds exactly like the network i'm trying to implement advisor.

I posted a much more detailed article with visual aids: http://forum.homenethelp.com/tm.asp?m=6625&p=1&tmode=1


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Response Number 4
Name: iSlak
Date: August 16, 2002 at 08:17:13 Pacific
Reply:

I like your suggestion Suresh. Please see this post: thread.


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Response Number 5
Name: Curt R
Date: August 16, 2002 at 09:15:31 Pacific
Reply:

Ok maybe I'm getting older than I thought but I can't help but wonder why you're spending extra money on a second hub and making your network more complex than it needs to be.

The max cable length of a Cat5 cable is 100 metres (that's 380 feet for our friends in the USA) Unless room #2 is say 95m or more away from the main router, you can just plug the cables for the two PC's in room #2 directly into the main router/hub and then you don't need to go to the expense of a 2nd hub.


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Response Number 6
Name: Suresh
Date: August 16, 2002 at 09:37:38 Pacific
Reply:

Great!!! you know what as per Curt's theory the rooms are not 380 feet away. So we are clear about that. I am not sure about the system 3 working as gateway but router will not talk to hub. Chekc it out and let me know, I will try it out on my side.


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Response Number 7
Name: advisor
Date: August 16, 2002 at 09:48:39 Pacific
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Hub and Router..can't go to gether? I don't think this theory is correct.

First of all, the linksys router i have has 4 port in it, and one can and did go out to a hub. Why? Because I need more connections or connection to be reached.

There is a way to get around without hub at all.

How about a wireless router access point. It may resolve the problem. But how clear it is, then again depend on your location.



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Response Number 8
Name: Curt R
Date: August 16, 2002 at 10:14:04 Pacific
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KISS (keep it simple s.....) That's just about the first thing I learned right after "If it ain't broke, don't fix it!"

You guys do what you want but if I were the one doing this, I would plug all 4 PC's directly into the 4 port router. Everyone would access the internet and be able to access shared resources on the LAN at NO extra expense and with less hassle then adding another hub. Two 60 foot cables are lot cheaper than a hub or switch or wireless.


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Response Number 9
Name: bradmatt
Date: August 16, 2002 at 11:56:39 Pacific
Reply:

why not hook the uplink port of the hub to the router/hub??


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Response Number 10
Name: Suresh
Date: August 16, 2002 at 12:30:41 Pacific
Reply:

Actually you can try hooking the uplink of the hub with the up link of the router and try. I did that but did not work. I the present hub has 4 ports other than the up link then your work is over. Modem to uplink
and connect the other 4 computers to the hub. but we are one port short.


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Response Number 11
Name: Analysis
Date: August 16, 2002 at 20:26:54 Pacific
Reply:

Suresh,
Whatever you did and didn't work wasn't because it wasn't possible, it was because you didn't know what you were doing. (That's a lot nicer than what I was going to initially say.) iSlak, listen to whoever you want, just don't listen to Suresh.


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Response Number 12
Name: ufo
Date: August 17, 2002 at 04:46:57 Pacific
Reply:

I agree with Curt R.
Why making it more difficult and expensive then it is ?


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Response Number 13
Name: Suresh
Date: August 17, 2002 at 08:56:46 Pacific
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Hi Analysis,
I am not here to guide or argue on a point. If see my others mails, I asked islak to let me know if it worked. I am trying to learn in the process....No offense guys.. easy


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Response Number 14
Name: Chickenman
Date: August 17, 2002 at 08:59:52 Pacific
Reply:

I have a 4-port SMC Broadband Router (120$) which includes Print Server, DHCP, NAT, and more... easy to set up and manage and the 4 PCs are permanently surfing. To make it harder to handle you could always clink a hub between router and pc and plop another PC to that hub. But those two hubbed PCs will never surf the same time


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Response Number 15
Name: matt
Date: August 20, 2002 at 10:22:20 Pacific
Reply:

You have a couple of easy fixes:
1. Plug all cables into the four port router and do not use the extra hub. (Best option)
2. Your router should have a WAN port, an uplink port, and it sounds like 4 ports for the hub. (One of the hub ports may double as the uplink port.) Plug a cable into the uplink port on the router to a regular port on the second hub. It will also work the other way, plug a cable into a regular port on the router and into the uplink port on the second hub. If they are really cheap devices and have no uplink ports, use a crossover cable to connect the router and the second hub.


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