netwok prob with xp and 98

April 24, 2009 at 10:39:02
Specs: Windows XP home
I have a win 98 and win xp that I operate simultaneously using a broadband router.
I've been trying to set up a home office network between them, but it's proving very frustrating.

I used the xp cd wizard to set things up on both machines (ip address assigned automatically) but cannot connect.

I shut off the win firewall and disabled antivrus on both systems, but still cannot "ping" between them or find other computer in network places.

Do I need to physically cable them together, or need other software?

Thanks for any help with this.


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#1
April 24, 2009 at 11:29:41
Your setup should work. On each pc go to start --> run and type cmd into the run box and then type

ipconfig /all

into the command window and post the results here. There may be some setting in the router that needs tweaked.


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#2
April 24, 2009 at 17:46:35
Thanks for the response,
Just below are the results I found when following your suggestion.
Greg

Forgot to do win 98 computer also. When I tried "cmd" this is what I got:
"Cannot find the file'cmd' (or one of its components). Make sure the path and filename ate correct and that all required libraries are available.
Ahah! Could be we are homing in on the prob. So, what do I do next?


Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

C:\Documents and Settings\Greg>ipconfig/all

Windows IP Configuration

Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : owner-91d87d04a
Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :
Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Unknown
IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No

Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : NVIDIA nForce 10/100/1000 Mbps Ether
net
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-22-15-B9-6C-03
Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.123.112
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.123.254
DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.123.254
DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 24.226.1.93
24.226.10.193
Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Friday, April 24, 2009 8:34:43 PM
Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Friday, May 01, 2009 8:34:43 PM

C:\Documents and Settings\Greg>


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#3
April 25, 2009 at 01:45:32
on win 98 use command instead of cmd.

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#4
April 25, 2009 at 10:11:02
Your patience is certainly appreciated. Okay, used "command" and "ipconfig /all" Results below:

IP Address..............................: 0.0.0.0
Subnet Mask...........................: 0.0.0.0
Default Gateway.......................:
DHCP Server............................: 255.255.255.255
Primary WINS Server.................:
Secondary WINS Server.............:
Lease Obtained.........................:
Lease Expires...........................:
1 Ethernet Adapter:
Description...............................: AOpen AON-325 10/100M Fast Ethernet PCI Adapter
Physical Address......................: 00-40-F4-4A-4B-5D
DHCP Enabled..........................: Yes
IP Address................................: 192.168.123.136
Subnet Mask.............................: 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway.........................: 192.168.123.254
DHCP Server..............................: 192.168.123.254
Primary WINS Server..................:
Secondary WINS Server..............:
Lease Obtained..........................: 04 25 09 11:57:51 AM
Lease Expires............................: 05 02 09 11:57:51 AM
C:\WINDOWS\Desktop>


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#5
April 25, 2009 at 11:57:44
Can the win 98 machine access the internet, it looks like you may have a PCI network adapter and an onboard network adapter and you are using the PCI as the active adapter, if this is right try disabling the onboard adapter in the BIOS. Just a hunch.

Just double checking, on the win xp pc if you go to start --> run-->cmd and type ping 192.168.123.136
then you get a no response reply??


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#6
April 25, 2009 at 12:50:01
Hi again Andy,
I can access and browse the internet just fine with the 98 machine.
I was able to ping both machines back and forth. Previously I had not been able to but the win xp firewall may have been on then. My Network Places still just shows the win xp machine not the 98.
Just below are the ping results you asked for:

Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

C:\Documents and Settings\Greg>ping 192.168.123.136

Pinging 192.168.123.136 with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 192.168.123.136: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=32
Reply from 192.168.123.136: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=32
Reply from 192.168.123.136: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=32
Reply from 192.168.123.136: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=32

Ping statistics for 192.168.123.136:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 0ms, Maximum = 0ms, Average = 0ms

C:\Documents and Settings\Greg>


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#7
April 25, 2009 at 14:13:36
That ping is good. Must be a setting somewhere, sometimes it can take a while for the computer to appear in network places up to 2 mins i have seen before.

On the xp pc go to start --> run and in the run box type \\192.168.123.136

so thats 2 backslashes followed by the ip of the win98 box, this should take you to the win98 shares folder if not you should get an error message which should give aus few hints as to what is happening.

Sounds like a firewall or permissions problem.


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#8
April 25, 2009 at 15:00:51
Hi Andy,
\\192.168.123.136 typed into run got me: "The network path was not found"

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#9
April 25, 2009 at 15:53:04
Couple of things you can try,

1) In network adapter properties in both win98 and winxp make sure that "file and print sharing......" is checked.
2) Go to Start-->run--->type cmd then type

netsh winsock reset catalog and then
netsh winsock reset

on the win98 box.

....command instead of cmd in win98, i don't even know if these work on win98, try them. Years since i used 98.

Then i would try running the network setup wizard on win98 again making sure you enable file and print sharing and make sure the workgroup name is the same name, on both computers., i know MSHOME is the default for winxp but it may not be for win98.


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#10
April 25, 2009 at 17:34:13
Hi Andy,
When I tried either netsh winsock reset catalog or
netsh winsock reset on the win98 box, the message came up "bad command or file name"
I ran the wizard through both machines again and now, interestingly, on the 98 machine I can see the xp system with a shared file folder.
However, there is no sign of the 98 machine or its shared file folder on my win xp computer...which is actually the one I want...so I can transfer files from my old system to the new one.
It is progress though, Andy, I confess to a marked quickening of my pulse rate when I saw that.

Have to go out for the evening now...will resume the battle later.
Cheers for now,
Greg


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#11
April 26, 2009 at 12:00:13
Hi Andy,
Can you think of a reason why I can access the xp machine from my 98 computer but not the other way around?
The main reason for setting up the network is to transfer files from my old 98 system to the new xp.
This is beginning to drive me crazy!
Greg

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#12
April 26, 2009 at 19:27:27
On the xp pc I just typed \\192.168.123.136 (98 machine's IP address) in the run box and got this result:

Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

C:\Documents and Settings\Greg>\\192.168.123.136
The filename, directory name, or volume label syntax is incorrect.

C:\Documents and Settings\Greg>

Wonder if that provides a clue as to what's happening.
Greg


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#13
May 9, 2009 at 11:29:32
mmm - been "a while" since I had to setup a mixed OS environment - as in dos-based OS (dos/'9x/ME) and non dos-based OS (NT/W2K/XP) - but I seem to recall that for DOS based OS with non dos-based OS to see each other across mixed OS lan... one needs to enable netbios over tc/ip as I recall on XP etc.? ("I think" it applies mainly to XP and possibly W2K mixing it with dos-based OS; NT "was/is" OK regardless with those older OS...; but it has been while since...)

Thes may be useful reading?

http://www.pcreview.co.uk/forums/th...

http://www.practicallynetworked.com...

http://forums.practicallynetworked....

http://duxcw.com/faq/network/brreq.htm

http://www.duxcw.com/faq/network/xp...

http://forums.enterpriseitplanet.co...

http://en.allexperts.com/q/General-...

The link immediately above does suggest netbeui could be installed too...; if only to allow local (P2P) networking (non-routable)? But it isn't esential/necessary here - if you get netbios etc. set up correctly...?

XP doesn't install netbeui - '95 did it by default (but not tcp/ip); '98 I think offered tcp/ip and one added netbeui as needs-be; NT/W2K installed it by default along with tcp/ip? XP does include it on the CD whereas NT/W2K had it readily to hand shoud you wish to install/activate it...

You "could " install netbeui for XP - as I say - it's on the CD... It would allow both OS to see each other etc.; but it isn't really necessary here... And worth remembering that netbeui isn't routable (thus won't allow access to the www); so you still need tcp/ip...

http://www.homenethelp.com/web/howt...

http://www.wxpnews.com/archives/wxp...

may also be of interest/help in general...?

and perhaps this...

http://www.hidev.com/technical/netb...

"somewhere" in my archives I may still have an excellent article/tutorial off the www that discusses in detail the assorted issues surrounding older windows OS and W2K and XP re' networking...; not the least re' netbeui, and using netbios over tcp/ip... But can I find it???


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