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Name: MrRomero
Date: October 23, 2005 at 16:43:02 Pacific
OS: WinXP Pro / Win98se
CPU/Ram: 384mb RAM / 1.10 GHz Duro
Comment:

My home network is currently on a 8 port HUB, my computer's PC is a Windows XP Pro system and my wife's pc is a Win98 SE system, we're both on the internet but we can't share any files. What I've tried doing:

1) Disconnecting the Internet - no go
2) Enabling IPX on both - No go
3) Ipconfig on both and they only have an internet IP - no go
4) networking wizard - no go and please DO NOT SUGGEST this
5) I've checked if we're both under the same username
6) before i got internet at home are computers would see each via the hub


I'm not sure if there's a way to be on the hub sharing the internet and also sharing files locally, thanks guys.



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Response Number 1
Name: MrRomero
Date: October 23, 2005 at 16:46:31 Pacific
Reply:

Sorry about the typos...


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Response Number 2
Name: RTAdams89
Date: October 23, 2005 at 16:52:57 Pacific
Reply:

Try going to your wife's computer and write down it's ip address (probably starts with 192.168). Then go to your computer and open a command prompt (windows menu, run, cmd, enter) type "ping 192.168.x.x) where 192.168.x.x is the ip address of your wife's computer. Does that work?

-Ryan Adams
http://members.cox.net/rtadams89/


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Response Number 3
Name: MrRomero
Date: October 23, 2005 at 17:31:15 Pacific
Reply:

Hi Ryan, thanks for answering. Sadly the ip is 60 dot something, which is our internet ip. We have no idea what's going on.


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Response Number 4
Name: wanderer
Date: October 23, 2005 at 17:47:40 Pacific
Reply:

MrRomero you need to answer the question. 60. doesn't answer the question.

Forget the first 3 octets. What is the last octet on each pc? The same?

Have you shared anything on both pcs?
Can you ping each pc from the other?

So your isp is giving you two ip addresses and you are not using a router?

xp firewall enabled? Zonealarm installed on the 98 pc?

Golly gee wilerkers everyone! Learn to Internet Search


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Response Number 5
Name: MrRomero
Date: October 23, 2005 at 18:08:05 Pacific
Reply:

Fogive me, I'm checking right now.
Well I'm not using a router, I'm using a HUB.
XP Firewall is disabled and I have no zone alarm, no firewall on any of the computers.

XP PRO PC IP Address: 64.117.252.253
Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway: 64.117.252.1

Win98SE: IP Address: 64.117.250.65
Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.128
Default Gateway: 64.117.250.1

Hope this is enough information.


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Response Number 6
Name: tropic
Date: October 23, 2005 at 22:31:41 Pacific
Reply:

Hello, another Romero here... I'm guessing the following is true:

You're on Cable/DSL, and you're paying for multiple IP addresses.

Your computers are currently exposed hosts on the internet.

If so, you're in a pretty vulnerable position, especially since you state you don't have any firewalls active. I wouldn't worry about sharing files at the moment, and I certainly wouldn't enable any Windows-based file/printer sharing services until some security measures are taken.

You might look into purchasing a cheapo NAT router to act as a firewall (if you're on DSL and it uses PPPoA, make sure the router is PPPoA-capable). Put your machines on a "private" subnet like 192.168.1.0, let the router protect you from the internet, and then tinker with file sharing. And you're right--the Network Wizard isn't worth beans.

"If it ain't broke, upgrade anyway."


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Response Number 7
Name: plainandsimple
Date: October 23, 2005 at 23:56:16 Pacific
Reply:

You need a router or switch not a HUB ie

Internet
Switch or Router
PC1
PC2

Alternatively invest in a combined modem/router.....................


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Response Number 8
Name: wanderer
Date: October 24, 2005 at 06:17:35 Pacific
Reply:

you can't network together with those ip addresses. They are in different subnets.

To network, and you were on the right track, you need a common protocol.

Load netbeui on both machines. Then you can configure networking on both.

You would be better off with a router than a hub as it provides more security on the internet.

Golly gee wilerkers everyone! Learn to Internet Search


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Response Number 9
Name: maadhurimn
Date: October 24, 2005 at 07:14:46 Pacific
Reply:

Any question dealing with problems relating to Homenetwork and File /Printer Sharing and Internet Sharing must include at the minimum the following information about the Homenetwork for anyone to figure out the most likely cause of the problem and the best next step in the troubleshoot:

1. The number of Networked Computers including the mix such as Desktops/Laptops. [ GIVEN in this case:-)]

2. Operating System of each Computer and the SP of the Operating System.
[Names of OS given in the post but NOT the SP. REMEMBER: WinXP PRO SP2 has Firewall Enabled by Default and it could hinder Netwoking!]

3. Types ( Wired vs Wireless and Make & Models of Network Cards in each of the networked Computer. Their status in Device Manager will be an added bonus for us:-).

4. What type (Dial-Up vs Cable Vs ADSL/DSL) of Internet Access is used and the Make & Model of the Device[This information is lacking. Most troubleshooters seem to assume as if the ISP is Broadband]

5. Presence or absence of Hub, Switch or Router between the Computers and the Modem and if present EXACT Make & Model as displayed on them. [Clearely stated as 8-Port HUB (most likely Ethernet and Powered and no brand name) in this case. Most will know some products are more reliable than the others and hence brand names might help in the diagnosis]

6. The types of cables [Straight-Through Ethernet Cable vs Cross -over Ethernet cable , USB cable] used to connect the various devices in the network. [This is very important but not given in the post. Most troubleshooters may assume the RIGHT type of cables have been used!]

Some of the causes for the View Workgroup Computers NOT showing the Computers in the Homenetwork.

1. Lack of same Workgroup name
2. Lack of unique Computer names
3. Improperly configured Firewall(s)
4. Anti-virus Programs

5. Inadequate or improperly configured Networking Protocols

6. Lack of or improperly setup networking Hardware .


M

How To Ask Questions The Smart Way


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Response Number 10
Name: OrionCA
Date: October 24, 2005 at 12:22:36 Pacific
Reply:

If you're not paying for multiple IP addresses go to your ISP's webpage and check their policy on this: Normally ISPs consider this "theft of service" and some get *really snotty* about it. You can have your account canceled if they catch you and in at least one case a couple of years back the provider even prosecuted the guy in Federal court.

To network your PCs you really need either to pick a router or run the ICS wizard on one PC and connect this to the rest of them through a hub or network switch.

Do not install NETBEUI: This is an obsolete protocol Microsoft designed for direct PC-to-PC connections and doesn't work across a routed network. Most modern devices work fine with just TCP/IP; if you have an older network device the NOVELL IPX/SPX protocol should work. Bind NETBIOS to the protocol and check the order of bindings if it still doesn't work: Some devices require IPX/SPX be bound to NETBIOS before TCP/IP in the list.


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Response Number 11
Name: netmask
Date: October 25, 2005 at 08:52:44 Pacific
Reply:

I completely agree with Orion and plainandsimple. You would be better off using a simple NAT broadand router. Even if you have 2 external addresses, you don't actually need to use them both.

As for the comment wanderrer made about NetBeui, I have to say the same thing as Orion; Don't install this. It's an old protocol which is pretty much useless and only there for backward compatibility. Use TCP/IP.


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Response Number 12
Name: MrRomero
Date: October 25, 2005 at 14:11:47 Pacific
Reply:

I was hoping for an answer that doesn't require purchasing something, I know it's safer using a router and everything but it's not impossible sharing LAN and internet.


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Response Number 13
Name: wanderer
Date: October 25, 2005 at 16:40:43 Pacific
Reply:

Have you loaded netbeui on all and is file shareing working?

Funny how these threads go way off topic :-)

Golly gee wilerkers everyone. Learn to Internet Search


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Response Number 14
Name: OrionCA
Date: October 26, 2005 at 13:45:20 Pacific
Reply:

They do sort of "wander", don't they?

NETBEUI was designed before routers became common and only works with direct PC-to-PC connections: I think it also works with ring-token networks but can't remember. Some (very!) old applications and devices only recognize NETBEUI but most also work with IPX/SPX which *does* work over a routed network. Anyone who thinks he has NETBEUI working across a router probably also has IPX/SPX loaded and that's what's actually doing the work. For what it's designed for NETBEUI works fine and the XP disc even has a copy stored in a backup folder if it's needed but it's not installed automatically anymore: MS is trying to wean users off it.


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Response Number 15
Name: OrionCA
Date: October 26, 2005 at 14:00:53 Pacific
Reply:

MrRomero: It's not really possible to build a LAN across different subdomains like you need with your existing set up: You can either buy a $40-$50 home router or a 2nd $10-$25 NIC for one of your PCs and create an ICS network to work around the problem. For ICS connect your modem to the original NIC and your hub to the new NIC then run the ICS wizard. Make sure your firewall(s) know what type of Internet connection you have ("You connect to the Internet through a host computer", I believe is how the XP firewall states it).


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Response Number 16
Name: wanderer
Date: October 29, 2005 at 14:12:51 Pacific
Reply:

Orion you got to read the post and not think you have to lecture on protocols.

MrRomero is simply trying to network [file sharing] between his pcs.

There is no suggestion to "route" across the wan. We are talkin LAN here. Netbeui works PERFECTLY under these circumstances.

Quite honestly you have done a dis-service to MrRomero and this thread.

Mr Romero was asked how to fileshare without buying equipment. Yet you say it can't be done and tell him to spend money. Now that is just crap.

You DO make a good point about IPX/SPX even if you don't realize it.

MrRomero to load Netbeui you have to get it from the xp cd. But by default in network properties/add protocol you have ipx/spx available by default.

So load ipx/spx with add protocol. The defaults should work fine for you can you can then file share between your pcs.

Golly gee wilerkers everyone! Learn to Internet Search


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Response Number 17
Name: wanderer
Date: October 29, 2005 at 14:21:33 Pacific
Reply:

Just noticed you had done that with ipx/spx but ran into a problem. Not surprising since you are running 98 on one pc and it can not order protocol bindings. This means when xp was talking ipx most likely 98 was talking tcp/ip. They couldn't talk.

What you want to do in this case is uninstall tcp/ip and then install ipx on the 98 wkst only. reload ipx on xp. See if you can see a folder share from each pc. Once you can add tcp/ip back and you should be fine with sharing and internet.

Golly gee wilerkers everyone! Learn to Internet Search


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