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September 9, 2012 at 17:38:40
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Have two desk top pc's in metal building office they are operating by way of DSL modem my provider is Century Link. I purchased a WRT 54Gl linksys wireless router hoping I would be able to get a WIFI signal to my house. I have no live phone lines in my home just the one in my metal building , how can I get a signal through the metal building to my home in order to use wifi on my Ipod and Iphone . Keep in mind I am 200 ft from my home and have a wooden shop and another metal building to go through to get to my home. Please help I'm tech illiterate II

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September 11, 2012 at 07:35:27

The first, and most important cosideration with doing a cable run is total length of the cable. Maximum segment length for a Cat 6 (I wouldn't bother with 5e if you go this route) is 100 meters. I wouldn't exceed 80 m as in my own experience, you can start having attenuation isses at lengths exceeding 80 m. It gets worse if you're running the cable near anything that can cause interferance.

Now, I've run a lot of cable in my time and I always prefer a wired solution over a wireless one so if it were me, I'd pull wire. However, instead of running through buildings, I'd dig a trench and use some 1.5" diameter PVC type pipe and I'd pull several cables instead of just one. But that's me. I'd rather have it buried 6' deep and not have to worry about the cable being cut accidentally.

Your solution will work and if you are approaching 80 m in total length of the run, you could always put a small switch in the other building you'd be running through. This would act as a repeater and give you two shorter cable runs to deal with.

If you go with a wired solution you'll want to know the best way to interconnect the two routers. For more information on how to do that simply click on my name above in this response and read my “how-to” guide titled, “Add a second Router to your LAN

In your case I would recommend using version 1 wherein you interconnect the two routers LAN port to LAN port.

Having said all that, I originally mentioned using two wireless point-to-point antennas because they're relatively easy to setup. They're as simple to aim as pointing your finger, and if you buy the right ones, easy to configure, install and are reliable. I've worked with EnGenius equipment in the past and I would use this before going with a wired solution as the wired solution, no matter whether you run through existing buildings leaving exposed cable outside between buildings....or you use the method I would and bury it....wired is going to be a lot more work to install.

It matters not how straight the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate;
I am the captain of my soul.

***William Henley***



#1
September 9, 2012 at 18:28:57

You have problems. Not only is 200 feet getting near the limit under ideal conditions, getting a weak wi-fi signal through metal is near impossible.

Your only solution to use directional antennas mounted outside of the metal building if that is possible. That does require a bit of technical expertise.

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Stuart


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#2
September 9, 2012 at 19:26:36

Bury 200ft of cat 5/6 cable and connect from the router in the metal shop to another router in the house. Then you would have wifi in both locations.

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#3
September 9, 2012 at 23:28:28

If the outbuilding is on the same mains supply as the house then you can use ethernet over mains adapters then have a wireless access point in the house. Very easy to set up & fairly cheap.

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#4
September 10, 2012 at 06:25:17

Alternatively, you could buy two point-to-point wireless antennas and set one up on each building with a direct line of sight. You could extend your wireless network from one building to the other that way and keep excellent signal strength

It matters not how straight the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate;
I am the captain of my soul.

***William Henley***


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#5
September 10, 2012 at 13:34:26

Thanks for all the answers on trying to solve my problem with getting a signal from my metal building to home .Hopperrox your answer may be the most logical thing to do. I would certainly have a solid signal consisently and not being to tech savvy I don't think I would want to deal with trying to postion antennas on a roof .

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#6
September 10, 2012 at 14:03:49

I would like you guys opinion on this thought . Hopperrox got me to thinking about this cable run, My metal office building & workshop are connected togather and the metal building(guest house) in front of the work shop is 4 ft.apart. the guest house has three large windows that face the back of my home, what about runnig cable from my linksys wireless router in the metal office under roof through work shop and through an existing tunnel that connects guest house and work shop and run down a wall in the guest house and hook up another linksy wirless router that would set in the window , would this give me a signal to my house for wifi ? we are just talking about a distance of 80 ft now from front of guest house to back of my home . If this would work what type cable do I need and where do I plug the cable in to the existing wireless router to begin the run , the router has 5 ports one to DSL box(modem) two are being used for my existing desk tops, and two are empty.
Thank you'll for your help.

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#7
September 10, 2012 at 19:49:16

I had a buddy with wifi router in his house, about 75' away was his metal framed shop. The Metal shop seemed to suck up all the signal and could not get a reliable signal. So we ran a wire off one of the back ports to the wan port on a second router (this can require some setup depending on the router) and voila! Indeed, I prefer the wired solution between the 2 routers as wireless is great when it works and a pain if the connection is lost for reasons. Needless to say, the wifi works great in both locations and has not required any further work from me. I am not sure bout the second plan....it's hard to figure out what equipment is where, but 80' can still cause issues....you can try it and if it works, great, if not you have other options. Cat 5e cable or Cat 6 would do just fine.

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#8
September 11, 2012 at 07:35:27
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The first, and most important cosideration with doing a cable run is total length of the cable. Maximum segment length for a Cat 6 (I wouldn't bother with 5e if you go this route) is 100 meters. I wouldn't exceed 80 m as in my own experience, you can start having attenuation isses at lengths exceeding 80 m. It gets worse if you're running the cable near anything that can cause interferance.

Now, I've run a lot of cable in my time and I always prefer a wired solution over a wireless one so if it were me, I'd pull wire. However, instead of running through buildings, I'd dig a trench and use some 1.5" diameter PVC type pipe and I'd pull several cables instead of just one. But that's me. I'd rather have it buried 6' deep and not have to worry about the cable being cut accidentally.

Your solution will work and if you are approaching 80 m in total length of the run, you could always put a small switch in the other building you'd be running through. This would act as a repeater and give you two shorter cable runs to deal with.

If you go with a wired solution you'll want to know the best way to interconnect the two routers. For more information on how to do that simply click on my name above in this response and read my “how-to” guide titled, “Add a second Router to your LAN

In your case I would recommend using version 1 wherein you interconnect the two routers LAN port to LAN port.

Having said all that, I originally mentioned using two wireless point-to-point antennas because they're relatively easy to setup. They're as simple to aim as pointing your finger, and if you buy the right ones, easy to configure, install and are reliable. I've worked with EnGenius equipment in the past and I would use this before going with a wired solution as the wired solution, no matter whether you run through existing buildings leaving exposed cable outside between buildings....or you use the method I would and bury it....wired is going to be a lot more work to install.

It matters not how straight the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate;
I am the captain of my soul.

***William Henley***


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#9
September 11, 2012 at 07:38:27

Thank you HopperRox, I will be starting my cable run from a lan port on linksys wireless router ( model # WRT54GL) it is in the metal office building , I will run it under roof about 120 ft.and it will end in my guest house which is another metal building, I will connect the end cable to another linksys wireless router( Model # EA2700) I will position this router in a window in the guest house, I'm hoping this will give me the wifi signal to my home which is 80 ft. in front of the guest house. I am buying 250 ft, of cable so if this does not work I wiil bury the cable inder ground and move the router from the guest house and hook up at my home. I hope I hope the routers I have will do the job. Again thank you so much for the help , I'm a senior with very little knowledge of this tech stuff.

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#10
September 11, 2012 at 11:18:26

Thank you Curt R, the antenna sounds good ,I went on line to search out the Engenius antennas not sure which product I would need they have some expensive products, The next problem will be getting the antennas in line ,metal office building highest point is much lower than the metal building guest house in other words the metal guest house blocks the sight of the office building and my home i'm trying to reach with a signal sets 80 ft in front of the metal guest house, hope this make sense , do the anntennas have to be in a straight line ? Sure wish I could send you a photo of the property layout.

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#11
September 11, 2012 at 12:16:22

I had a quick look at their site. The following is the kind of device I'm talking about:

http://www.wirelessnetworkproducts....

It's a less expensive product but should easily do the job considering the distance between buildings isn't that great. The info on the unit says it comes with hardware to pole or wall mount. You'd want to wall mount. This is just to give you an idea what you're looking for.

I'm able to roughly visualize your property. You have a taller building between the two you wish to connect so it's blocking line of sight between the two.

Would you be able to get above it with an antenna on one or both of the buildings?

I'm thinking a piece of round (hollow) galvanized metal stock that's about 1.5" to 3" diameter (maybe 1/4" to 3/16" thick) would work nicely. This is something you could buy from most any metal supplier.

You buy the appropriate length, mount it on the metal building and put the antenna on top of it. The antenna comes with the appropriate hardware already to mount to this type of pole. You run your network cable through the pole and into the antenna on the top and out the bottom of the pole into the building to your router.

We made a similar antenna and it worked very nicely. It sat outside for around two years through rain, shine, and snow and the antenna is still working to this day, although not in production any more.

Anyhow, it was just a thought. Without knowing the heights of all 3 buildings involved it's hard to figure what all you would need.

It matters not how straight the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate;
I am the captain of my soul.

***William Henley***


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#12
September 11, 2012 at 14:45:05

Or since you can easily run cable from the workshop to the guesthouse why not mount the point-to-point antenna externally on the guesthouse with direct line of sight to the house?

Goin' Fishin' (Some day)


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#13
September 12, 2012 at 09:38:12

Thanks Richard59, Not a bad idea I'm thinking I will try the Point to point antennas and if does not work out I can do the cable run.
Just want to say this is a great forum all of you guys have been loads of help and as you can see I have very little knowledge of networking or the termonolgy of it .

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#14
September 12, 2012 at 10:06:41

CurtR, Thanks for all your help, I will be purchasing the items I need today for the point to point set-up . I do have a straight line sight from the metal building to my home if I locate this antenna to the north wall of the metal building I will have a direct line of sight to the garage roof of my house ,where I will postion the 2nd antenna. If you don't mind would you double check my materal list---1.) two antennas---2.)one additional wireless router for the house and cable to run from antenna to router --3)One cable to run from wireless router to anntenna in metal building. Question -- Do I connect the anntenna cable to one of the ports in back of the router next to where my existing computers is plugged in, this is router in metal building, and which port do I connect to on the router from the antenna at my house ? -----sorry for the dumb questions . Again thank you so much all you guys have really been patient with me and I am very thankful.

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#15
September 12, 2012 at 10:49:01

Your list looks good to me. I think you've thought of everything. I would recommend the cable you buy to use from antenna to router be outdoor grade if you can get it for a decent enough price as this will be outside for a long period of time. The stuff you want has a very hard (yet still reasonably flexible) casing and inside the casing is a special grease. It's a bit of a pain to put RJ-45's on but if you use it (again, if possible) weather will never be an issue.

-- Do I connect the anntenna cable to one of the ports in back of the router next to where my existing computers is plugged in, this is router in metal building, and which port do I connect to on the router from the antenna at my house ?

Yes, from antenna into a LAN port on both routers. Do read my how-to guide on adding a second router.

Briefly, here's how I would set it up. I'm going to use 192.168.0.0/24 as the subnet. This woudl give you the following set of IP addresses to use: 192.168.0.1 through to 192.168.0.254 with subnet mask 255.255.255.0 This isn't absolute just a guide. Use whatever subnet is already configured on your working router that is connected to the internet.

Router 1 (connected to internet)
LAN IP: 192.168.0.1
Subnet Mask 255.255.255.0
DHCP Enabled = yes
DHCP Scope = 192.168.0.100 to 192.168.0.199

Antenna 1 (plugs into LAN port on Router 1)
LAN IP: 192.168.0.11
SM: 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway: 192.168.0.1

Antenna 2 (plugs into LAN port on router 2)
LAN IP: 192.168.0.12
SM: 255.255.255.0
DG: 192.168.0.1

Router 2
LAN IP: 192.168.0.2
SM: 255.255.255.0
DG: 192.168.0.1
DHCP Enabled = no

Antenna's 1, 2 and router 2 are within the same subnet so everything should communicate properly when correctly configured.

Any client plugging into router 2 will get TCP/IP settings from the DHCP server on Router 1.

Instructions for configuring TCP/IP settings for your antenna's will be included in the box. The easiest way to set them up is to plug directly from your PC into the antenna. If the setup guide for the antenna says it's default IP address is (again, for example only) 192.168.1.50, you'll need to give your PC any address in the same subnet....something like 192.168.1.1 will do. And of course both need to have the same subnet mask. Remember to change the NIC on your PC back to DHCP or whatever you had it assigned to previously.

Now you can plug your antenna into a LAN port on the router and access it via your web browser using the IP you configured. I would set both up before installing them physically. In fact, setup both antenna's and the router and test in the comfort of your home to ensure all is working....then go install them.

Do use the highest level of encryption (WPA2) and a complex password on the point-to-point wireless shot as well as on your wireles routers. When setting up the WLAN on router two, use the exact same SSID and encryption key.

You'll notice I assigned the IP's as follows:
Router 1 = .1
Router 2 = .2
Antenna 1 = .11
Antenna 2 = .12

I do things like this so it's easier to remember. Those IP's are also outside the DHCP scope (IP's that will be assigned to clients connecting to your network) so there is no chance of duplicate IP errors.

I hope you get this all setup nice and easy and it does the job for you. I believe it will.

Oh, and be careful drilling through the walls to run the cables....make sure there are no electricaly wires or pipes in the way and do seal the hole (around the cable) with silicone.

It matters not how straight the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate;
I am the captain of my soul.

***William Henley***


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September 12, 2012 at 13:35:25

Thanks Curt, one more question what wireless router do you sugguest, my new existing in the metal building is a linksys wrt54gls 2.4 ghz I was going to get a ea2500 linksys ?


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#17
September 12, 2012 at 14:27:35

Personally, I have a WRT54GL at home and I like it. I'm running tomato firmware on it and it does all I need it to do.

If you're looking for wireless N support then you would have to upgrade as the WRT54GL is wireless G. But if you don't care about wireless N and your WRT54GL is working fine, I'd stick with it.

It matters not how straight the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate;
I am the captain of my soul.

***William Henley***


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#18
September 14, 2012 at 16:49:15

Curt R thank you so much for all the info and help. This may be lenghty but this is my current update. I set out to purchase all my materials for antenna install, I thought I might purchase all items in town ,after store to store I ended up at my IP providers store Century link ,I got a DSL wireless modem with 4 ports , to replace my old modem (non wireless) installed new modem in my metal office building and positioned my linksys wireless router in my guest house, as I mentioned in other post guest house is a metal building that sets in the front of my wood constructed workshop which is in front of the metal office building, to my surprise I recieved a great WIFI signal from my linksys router without any cable run or antenna ,I also walked to my house inside about 110 ft. from guest house and recieved a WIFI signal this signal was inconsistent and not very strong, later I moved the linksys router to the inside of my home to see if I could get a signal from the distance of the metal office building to my home this distance is about 230 feet and again to my surprise I'm getting a good strong signal I hope this last ! I thought I might purchase another wireless linksys and position it inside the guest house to insure I keep a good strong signal to my home and also for a stonger signal in the guest house for family when they visit. Thus far our Ipad and I phones are working great off the wifi signal at our home . Hope this last ! Again I want to thank all of you guys for your help and guidance you have all given me so much help . Curt R thank you for so much info . I'm sure I will be back for info in the future and I will highly recommend this site to all my friends .
Thank You, Romc.

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#19
September 15, 2012 at 09:35:40

I'd think about using a powerline adapter. A pair may only be $50.

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#20
September 15, 2012 at 10:37:02

Thanks Mortneff, I regret saying this but my last post on having wifi service for Iphones and Ipad at my home location is incorrect, I have a good strong wifi signal on the devices but no internet or email service . the wireless dsl modem (century link ) is set up and giving me a wifi signal and internet service as long as I'm in the metal building office with my ipad and iphone . The linksys wireless router is putting out the wifi signal but no service I must not have to the linksys in sink with my IP provider , Century link's wireless modem , my wired computers plugged into the century link modem all work great . I need more help from you guys !

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#21
September 15, 2012 at 21:25:56

Curt R thank you for so much info . I'm sure I will be back for info in the future and I will highly recommend this site to all my friends .
Thank You, Romc.

It's always a pleasure to help out. I'm glad you were able to get the signal out there without having to spend a whole lot of time and money on the setup we discussed.

Personally, I wouldn't have expected you'd get a decent signal over that distance through two walls, one of them metal. But I'm glad to see it's working for you. That's a lot simpler than what we discussed.....lol

It matters not how straight the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate;
I am the captain of my soul.

***William Henley***


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#22
September 16, 2012 at 08:40:37

"The linksys wireless router is putting out the wifi signal but no service I must not have to the linksys in sink with my IP provider"

Might be time to just start a new post on this topic. It seems this has not been fixed.


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#23
September 16, 2012 at 08:59:36

While this is getting long, there's not much point in starting a new thread on the same topic.

When connecting SOHO router to SOHO router via a wireless connection like that, one will have to be in "bridge mode". The SSID, encryption, and encryption key need to be the same.

If your LAN is working between routers then the internet should be as well.

We've had issues with Apple products at work not connecting well to some brand's of devices. This could be your issue here.

My suggestion, first get your network working, then worry about iPhones and iPads.

It matters not how straight the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate;
I am the captain of my soul.

***William Henley***


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#24
September 19, 2012 at 16:23:40

Thank you Curt R for so much help and all the others on this site , My IP is sending a tech out to reconnect the phone lines at my home , and they will provide me with a second wireless DSL modem for my home . This should solve my problem in getting service to my home , I will have WIFI and also be able to connect a wired PC if I choose to do so. My next task will be to run cat 6 cable from my DSL modem in the metal office through the attics of workshop to metal guest house to linkysy wireless so I will have wifi or connect a pc in the guest house. Again, thanks to all of you guys for so much help.

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#25
September 21, 2012 at 09:18:55

What I said was that you may be able to instead of running a wire, you might be able to use the existing power lines.


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