Extending WiFi to garage 200 Ft away from house.

February 11, 2016 at 14:43:23
Specs: Pei Internet bell
My garage is 200ft ish from the house. The house is of wooden construction the garage is metal covered wooden construction.
I want wifi in the garage and would like to use my wifi that's in the house.
I was thinking about burying a cat 6 cable and running it to the building buying a router to hook to it in the building and probably a wifi (something?) that would make sure I have good connection everywhere in the building.
What equipment should I use in the building to receive the cat 6 cable so that it works.
Is there a particular router I would need in the house to be able to send the signal?
Basically money's not a big concern. Getting a good strong signal from the house into the building is.
The means is what I need help with.
I was thinking cat6 direct connection because in my understanding it would allow the best connection.
All options are definately welcome though

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February 11, 2016 at 14:57:56

Cat-5e cable; in conduit (plastic is OK as long as you put it a couple or more feet below the surface - and remember where...). Cable terminates (in the garage) in a cat-5/ethernet wall plate in a wall box; the plate has a standard ethernet port onto which the cable will attach (behind). In the house - as close as possible/practical to the current router - install another ethernet wall plate and attach the house end of the garage cable to that.

Buy a standard wifi router; install in the garage and set it up as a repeater - being connected to/fed via the underground cable from the house router. This garage router will operate both as cat-5/ethernet and wifi once correctly setup.

You can also run the garage cable along the surface of course; perhaps along a wall or fence. But ensure you buy decent (ideally weatherproof) cable if exposing it to the elements; and keep it a few feet away from the ground - to avid it being chewed by pets, or buried etc. in the soil?

You mention cat-6 cable; unless you expect seriously heavy duty work over it... go with cat-5e.

Netgear routers work fine as both a standard router (ethernet and wifi) and also can be configured easily as a repeater.

If the garage is on the same mains cct breaker/fuse box as the router's power source... you "might" get away with Homeplug adapters - these carry the lan over the mains wiring to compatible adapters plugged into mains outlets. In Europe/UK we have Devolo (the originals); and also Netgear, D-link. TP-link (not may top of the list). If you're in the USA/Canada then likely you have Netgear, D-link and of course TP-link at least...

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February 11, 2016 at 15:12:33
Awesome thank you very much! I have your reply saved and am going to do some materials hunting tomorrow.
Another question would be If I was to try an antenna?
Do I need two? One off the house and one off the garage for it to work?
If so and its fesable what would you recomend?
And would it be reliable and worth it? Or is hard wired for the most part the way to go?
I cant run it above ground. so I will have to burry it in pvc and being that it is winter here on pei. I'm going to be waiting a few months+ before the ground is soft enough to dig up. And I want to get a security system running asap.
Thank you again for the swift reply

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February 11, 2016 at 15:38:54
Two antennae.

"Hardwire" is generally more reliable, less vulnerable to weather, and also more scure.

PEI does get a little cold I know, and a wee bit of snow too; not perhaps quite as much of the white stuff as say Nova Scotia or New Brunswick, or even Newfie and Quebec?

Possibly CurtR (I think he's in either Alberta or possibly Saskatchewan - both get quite a bit of the white stuff) may chip in too, as he is quite well up on the antenna approach.

Protect the cable all the way to the point of entry at the house and garage.

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February 11, 2016 at 15:51:18
For a security system you really want a stable system that won't suffer interruptions and signal conflicts. I would personally go for an Ethernet cable.

If time is a critical factor you could opt for an Ethernet over Power (EoP) / home-plug solution. It is fairly stable and provides decent speeds. The limitation is that the power must be supplied to these devices on the same circuit or phase for them to be able to talk to each other. Ethernet over power devices are relatively inexpensive so are worth a consideration. Also they are easy to setup. For a first timer maybe half an hour, for someone that has done it before 5 minutes. If you can find a retailer that will refund your money if they don't meet your expectations would make them win win.

I wouldn't consider a wireless solution for security purposes as there are too many chances of an interrupted connection, especially over 200 feet. I'm not sure there are many consumer grade options that would be beneficial.

Deciding between cat 5e and cat 6 shouldn't be too much of an issue if you can find a good supplier. The cost difference for 200 feet between cat 5e and cat 6 is literally only a couple of dollars. Although I'm sure you won't be running security cameras (I'm assuming this is part of your security setup) at high resolution cat 6 does have speed advantages. It might be beneficial also depending on how many cameras you wish to install.

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February 11, 2016 at 21:02:07
If is not too difficult then go with the hard wired solution. If your need is simply to use your phone's or laptop's Wifi in and around the building then Cat5e is fine. If the price is similar and your needs may grow then Cat6 may be an option.

You have to be a little bit crazy to keep you from going insane.

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February 12, 2016 at 04:57:47
Possibly CurtR (I think he's in either Alberta or possibly Saskatchewan - both get quite a bit of the white stuff) may chip in too, as he is quite well up on the antenna approach.

LOL I am presently living in northern Alberta (2nd time living in AB) but born and raised in Saskatchewan. I've also lived in Nova Scotia and BC over the years.

If you have the $$$, then definitely bury a conduit and pull cable. I can't think of the name of the grade of conduit but it's grey, flexible and the least expensive you can find. As to which cable (5e or 6) I'd go with whichever is less expensive as either will do the job quite nicely. Also, whichever cable you do buy, make sure it's outdoor grade. That has a much heavier casing and is usually packed with grease. This helps to prevent problems with moisture. It goes without saying, you want the conduit sealed tight.

Around here we bury conduit 6' (2m) or more because of frost in the ground. I'm not sure if that's an issue in PEI but find out what usual depth is for that kind of stuff. Also, get conduit that's big enough to hold 2 or 3 cables if possible. You never know when you may want another and you could also use one pair from one cable to extend your telephone out there if you so desire.

I won't matter which router you get so much. Just be sure it's dual band and can handle both 2.4 and 5.0 GHz. Also, ensure they run at the same time. Some of the cheaper SOHO routers can only have one radio running at a time. You want both and it won't cost much more.

I would suggest you go with the same brand as you have in your house if possible. You'll be more familiar with the interface and setup. Have a look at my how-to guide detailing 'adding a second router' (click on my name above and then click on my how-to guides) and pay attention to the scenario where you're going to be using the same subnet on both and connecting LAN port to LAN port on the two routers.

When I recommend point-to-point wireless antennas it's usually a case of saving some $$$, distance between points and/or convenience. They're pretty easy to setup if you buy the right ones and normally will do the job quite nicely. But if you can afford the time and money to bury a conduit. I would recommend going that route over p-t-p every time as it is more reliable and provides better performance.

It matters not how straight the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate;
I am the captain of my soul.

***William Henley***

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February 12, 2016 at 06:49:13
I spent more than a few years in Toronto, Ottawa, Montreal; with trips (mostly work related) to Hafilax, Calgary/Edmonton, Saskatoon, Vancouver - and a "very interesting and lively spot "on the border of Alberta/Saskatchewan - Lloyd Minster...

Lloyd Minster being allegedly the home of both the cattle industry and also related to the start of the oil business too? It made a "serious" impression on me - after my experience in the local/main dining place... Built in pseudo log cabin style, and very much catering the guys on the range and oil pipes? I asked for a salmon steak - and was amazed to have it delivered - beautifully presented - and dutifully coated in a brown looking "goo". Upon asking what it was I was told it was beef gravy... I repeated "beef gravy" and the waitress nodded (no doubt thinking that I was fresh of the planet zog or wherever..., and best to humour me...) Commenting that I had never seen beef gravy served over any form of fish - let alone Salmon, she looked - erm - suitably surprised/puzzled? She took it away and returned very shortly with a completely "new" serving - minus the beef gravy.

Montreal in the winter of 79-80 they had so much snow that pholks were skiing over the Mont Royal Park railings; which were 6ft high on top of 2ft walls... One could still see piles of snow from the winter lying around dumping grounds even the following summer. 3-6ft dumpings are frequent of course in Ottawa, Montreal from early December; and also Toronto - the latter more in January etc...; although I note this year (and also last?) it hasn't happened in Toronto?

Hafilax pholks told me they regularly expect and get 6ft in one go... mid-winter. And of course in Hafilax during WW1 there was the particularly cruel winter when the ammunition ship blew up in the harbour. Photos show the downtown area totally wrecked, with only stone chimneys/fireplace standing... The whole area covered in tres deep snow... There is a sheet of ship's hull/plate about a mile or so from the blast site, deeply embedded in the sidewalk - up on hill to the the north west near the citadel. It's been left as a memorial to the event; and those killed... One of the few building hardly affected, if at all, was the Governor General's house on the ridge above the harbour; built post the USA war of Independence it's really a classic building... And the "chap" who built it (his wife was the pusher...) was the last Governor of Massachusetts - prior to the War of Independence....

(I is wot they used to call a Gnu/New Canadian... now currently in the UK).

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February 13, 2016 at 08:46:08
In 2008 we had 11 feet of snow sitting in the fields in some areas of AB. Most specifically out where I hunt the first week of November every year. That's out on the Peace River valley about 15 km's from the BC border. One of my favorite spots to lunch is right on the edge of the valley looking out into BC. Anyhow, we found a lot of winter kill skeletons that year because the deep snow means a lot of animals starve because they can't get to the food.

In 2012 we had snow mid-Oct and it never melted until April. Then it snowed in May and June again. This isn't unusual. On the plus side, the snow gets the elk out of the bush and I got one that fall....yum! On the down side, it seemed like it snowed every day that winter (it almost did) and the snow I piled in my front yard when shoveling my driveway was above my 3' high fence. We didn't quite have the 11' deep stuff we did in 08, but it was close.

In 1989 (the year my son was born) I was living/working in Saskatoon and I remember we tied the record for the most consecutive days below -30 The record is 29 straight days. There was a week in the middle of that where it was -40 every day. NOTE: Those temps were all before factoring in "windchill"

Snow ain't so bad. Cold like that, well, it's a pain.

It matters not how straight the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate;
I am the captain of my soul.

***William Henley***

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February 13, 2016 at 12:47:35
I had good friend in the ays of "another lifestyle" who was from Saskatchewan; and who used to comment that the snow there and Alberta (and also Manitoba) could be "a little interesting" - as in rather seriously extreme - from November until as late a May/June. And I recall CBC (I used to work for them at one time) national forecasts often dishing out forecast etc. bore that out...

Winter of 68-69 in Cornwall Ontario was pretty grim; we got 6ft plus in less than two days, and were buried in for a week or so. Came the snow plough (we were on a Rural/Dairy Route) and they buried our front yard entrance in with additional few feet... Took most of an afternoon to dig a way through; we were "not pleased"... Then of course our basement (100 plus year old farmhouse) flooded as "they" - with their ploughs"... had managed to block the ditches along the RR...; and of course the melt water had to go "somewhere"... Again we were "not pleased"...

But even then one has to say that living rather close to seasonal events, wood cutting and so on - was actually rather enjoyable... And the spring awakening and the sounds of the ice breakups, and signs of melt water appearing on the roads... - well dare one say - almost magical?

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February 14, 2016 at 05:08:22

Before taking this job we were living on an acreage about 30 miles west of Saskatoon and I was working in the city. We had a blizzard hit one winters day and I was actually out of town on a job interview (turns out, for the position I now hold here in northern AB) The plane was barely able to land and I had to break through snow drifts across the road all the way home. I made the 6 km's from the highway to my driveway without any major incident (good snow tires and some weight in the back of the car) but ended up stuck in my driveway about 10 m from the place where I usually parked my car.

The next day the grader went by and put up a 1 m pile of snow in front of my driveway. On the plus side, the school bus driver was also the guy that cleared my drive in heavy snow so after seeing that, he got his tractor and came and cleared my drive entrance and the whole drive up to my car for me. I then put my car out on the road while he cleared the rest of my driveway and my parking space. I don't think I could have cleared the driveway and parking space by hand, my driveway was about 70 m long in total and the snow was at least 1 m deep where it hadn't drifted and 2+ m where it had.

Yeah, spring is rather awesome around here. All the birds that aren't year round residents reappear. Babies everywhere, including spotted fawns in my front yard helping their moms empty my bird feeders..........lol That totally drives my dogs nuts and they stand in the window and bark and growl but the mule deer just tend to ignore them as they seem to know the dogs can't get out.

It matters not how straight the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate;
I am the captain of my soul.

***William Henley***

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February 26, 2016 at 04:01:05
Something to consider - when you run the conduit.

Use a wider bore than mighte might consider as adequate. Suggest 1.5in or even 2ins diameter. When you feed a cable through it, include a length of nylon rope too. Ensure it's knot/tangle free as you feed it along with the cable. Leave a few feet at each end. Even better, if possible, you could leave the actual conduit length of rope "free" at one end (in the barn/garage?). The other end would be secured at the house end so as to prevent it being pulled through to the barn... Having the rope installed (permanently) from the start means you can easily draw other cables through at any time using the rope as the draw string/tape. Always ensure that the rope ends never go/disappear into the conduit of course... This was (still is) a standard routine when installing cable conduit runs.

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