Solved cisco vs Avaya vs HP Data switches

July 12, 2012 at 11:36:19
Specs: Windows XP
I am process of replacing the 10 year old switches. Need to know about

Cisco switches - leaders no doubt. price is very high
HP - i am not preferred to go for enterprise networks.
Avaya - very cheap. they explained features .. very low price.. but new to market for last 2 years only.

your feedback is welcome to decide the vendor.


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#1
July 12, 2012 at 12:21:07
13 yrs ago I compared Cisco to HP [bay networks] and Nortel [now avaya]

Cisco was on the bottom for many reasons.
Nortel was on top. Purchased the 8010 Passport layer 3 switch.

It is still running.

When we go to the new site we are building we will be getting the avaya 8300 series layer 3 switch.

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#2
July 12, 2012 at 12:24:49
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All my switches are Avaya. That's in excess of 100 - 48 port switches in the 5000 series (5510/5520) We've also recently purchased about 10 - Avaya 5632's (10 GB) and have now ordered a pair of 7024's (also 10 GB).

Don't kid yourself about Avaya being new. Before Avaya bought them out, these were Nortel switches. Before Nortel bought them out, they were originally created and manufactured by Bay Networks. As an actual product, they've been aorund for quite a while now.

We've completely replaced all Cisco products with the Nortel/Avaya switches and I am extremely happy we did. They are every bit as powerful as anything Cisco makes, but a whole lot easier to work with. Also, Avaya now has a nice comprehensive set of management tools which we're purchasing as they will make my life a whole lot easier working in a medium to large enterprise environment.

I've only worked with one or two HP switches. My take on HP is, they make excellent printers and I am certified on at something like 8 of them. As for HP/Compaq computers, I won't buy them, I've worked on too many. I've also been frustrated by their lousy support way too often! I also wouldn't buy an HP switch because I can't see the support for the switches being any better than the support for any of their other devices. When I need support, and I'm paying for support, I don't want to be put on hold for 30 minutes, run around from one department to another for another 15 only to have my call dropped.

No matter who you go with, you pay for support. The two big questions I have are:
1) how much is it going to cost me for support
and
2) how easy is your product to configure and maintain.

Cisco likes to keep their stuff hard to configure on purpose in order to (hopefully) force you to pay exhorbitant fees for their certification. Their gui's suck and that in order forces you back to their training to learn the CLI. The (Cisco) still want you to pay more for support than the other vendor's we compared against when we decided to move away from Cisco products. We were sick of the upfront fees, hidden fees and having to pay large amounts of money just to upgrade the latest firmware for the switches.

We settled on (then) Nortel (now Avaya) and I'm glad we did. The web interface is easy to use and while under Nortel, there was a Java based Device Manager which totally made them easy to configure. Also there's a standard telnet interface which is the same interface you see when you console in to manage the switches. Since Avaya took over, they've done away with the java device manager and it's all managed through the web interface. The telnet/console interface is still there too of course but I do most configuration/day-to-day management through the web interface.

I highly recommend you talk to the nearest Avaya dealer and the nearest Cisco dealer. Get quotes on the following:

- cost of comparable switches
- cost of support packages
- cost of, ease of use of, comprehensive coverage provided by, management software
- cost, if any, on FW/SW upgrades for said switches.

All in all, I would go with the best deal because both are excellent network appliances.

It matters not how straight the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate;
I am the captain of my soul.

***William Henley***


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#3
July 12, 2012 at 13:02:54
avaya bought nortel

http://www.avaya.com/usa/about-avay...

It was interesting to see Nortel bought Bay Networks though. I thought Bay was in bed with HP, they were 13 yrs ago

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#4
July 12, 2012 at 13:57:38
I knew Nortel had bought Bay Networks out because we had one closet when I started here that had 3 Bay Networks switches (450-24t) which were the forerunners to the Nortel "Baystack" switches we've been using for around 7 years now. I actually have one of those old Bay Networks 24 port (100 Mbps) switches in my home office to play with and it has the exact same telnet interface as the Nortel/Avaya 5500's we use. Minus some features mind you..........lol

My understanding of the recent buy-out was that Avaya only bought the networking side of Nortel only but I could be wrong about that. We were obviously concerned having phased out the majority of our cisco switches when Nortel took the big dive. Once we had confirmation that Avaya was taking the enterprise network stuff over we stopped worrying and quit considering what equipment we were going to go to.

On the plus side, when it was announced Nortel was going under, quite a few businesses did panic and replaced their Nortel switches which flooded the market with perfectly good 5500 series switches at rock bottom prices. We were paying, brand new, just under $5,000 CAD for a 5510 and just over $5,000 CAD for the 5520's. My boss found a place with a whackload of used 5510/20's and picked us up something like 40 (20 each 5510/5520) at around $1,300 per unit. I think he got a bulk deal.

But, if you're looking for some good switches and can still find a used dealer with some, they're worth buying.

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How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate;
I am the captain of my soul.

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#5
July 12, 2012 at 15:31:15
That explains why I can buy replacement blades new at a fraction of the price I used to pay for. Just bought a 8010 switch fabric module for $900 when before it was like $7000

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#6
July 17, 2012 at 22:51:43
Thank you pals for your response.

cisco lost the race.

when compare HP Vs avaya

Hp proposed 8206zl for core - avaya proposed 8010 10 slot chasis
HP porposed 2910-PoE+ for edge - Avaya proposed ERS 4850GTS -PWR+ : HP is Layer 2 and Avaya is layer 3
For software Avaya have VPFM Base upto 500 devices/COM 3.0 Ent /BCM to manage 100 devices. HP proposed IMC Standard Edition Software Platform with 100-node E-LTU

Based on the above config. which one is better?


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#7
July 18, 2012 at 06:13:14
If it were my choice, I'd go with the Avaya products as I said initially.

Having dealt with HP's so-called support more times than I care to think about, I wouldn't touch their equipment unless someone else had to call their support people every time something broke. If you've never dealt with HP's so-called support believe me, you don't want to unless they've improved a whole hell of a lot in the last 7+ years.

I like the Avaya products a lot and in 7 1/2 years or so of working with them, I've had 4 develope hardware issues. In 3 of the cases, it was the PSU and in the last case, I don't even know what went wrong and I don't care. What I do know is, I shipped them a broken switch and within two weeks, a replacement was on it's way.

No matter who you decide to go with, I would recommend dual Core switches interconnected with interswitch trunks (IST may be nomenclature specific to Avaya) to provide redundancy for your network. Then in each case, when connecting edge switches, you would have dual connections, one to core A and the other to B.

It matters not how straight the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate;
I am the captain of my soul.

***William Henley***


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