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Name: longman2006
Date: June 19, 2008 at 11:00:30 Pacific
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Good day everyone,

I am presently enrolled in a Vocational studies program under the ever so general and broad name "Computing Support".
As a child, I played with the internet and realized at a young age that I had developed a thriving curiosity in computer networking and security.

I have always been an avid reader and love to watch hacker movies (not for the use or intention of unethical, or black-hat hacking but just the thrill of watching them type fast, accomplish much with computers and such)
I know it's strange but since it may seem an odd request, I ask that you at least have the sheer mercy and grace to listen to my request, at the very least.

Furthermore, I have been told that I have great knowledge (though I really don't know much, just fiddle a lot with windows server, AD and DNS, OS's and stuff.. and I don't know what or where I want to go.

Ideally, I am looking to find a path that will lead me to become a security specialist (or network administrator/engineer) because I love problem-solving and have working with various versions of windows, though I have attempted to move to Linux a few years back, I wasn't comfortable and therefore shredded back to using Windows.

I would like to learn Unix/Linux and networking more indepth but have no idea where to start looking. My teacher has spokem to me and told me that I am at "certification level" but I do not believe that, mostly because I have not hd good success at practicing A+ exams (get between 70-80 each time :(
and I really was looking for going to get MCSE or Network+/Security+ but am utterly confused and ask you experts here what advice you could provide (if you would be so gracious!) to a young man seeking guidance, direction and wisdom.
By the way, as a last note, I am eighteen years of age and out of a job. I have no money and cannot afford books or certifications and therefore feel as though I am wasting my time in class (we just finished AD and I got 98% on my last exasm, but it was exceedingly simply) and I don't know what to do.

All of my life I have gotten the sense that I am a failure and procrastinator, that people who know me think too highly of me or don't think of me as anything. To be frank, I fel as though if I left and dropped out of my course (don't plan on it!!!) and also don't know whether or not to go work after I finish in January.

I still have some time to think, but what really gets to me and rattles my brain is that one of my teachers is telling me consistently that though I am young I should really contemplate University. Again, I do not know (last note: I am Canadian, we have CEGEP which is like grade 12-13 in other places)
Moreover, for whatever it's worth, not to impose on anyone or anything of such a sort, but I am a man of faith, I have strong beliefs about the truth of the Bible and how it is God's inspired Word for all of us.

Just feel like a bit confused and frustrateed,

Please advise if possible?
P.S I'll be glad to post more info if needed

Blessings!
Darin
Thank you in advance

Darin Luckie



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Response Number 1
Name: Razor2.3
Date: June 19, 2008 at 11:47:03 Pacific
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I have always been an avid reader and love to watch hacker movies
Know how people in an industry can't watch Hollywood's take on the subject? Like how people in the medical industry who can't watch medical shows like House and ER? Or forensics guys can't watch shows like CSI? Yeah, IT guys never have that problem. Not because Hollywood gets it right, but because their takes are so wrong it's hilarious.

I have attempted to move to Linux a few years back, I wasn't comfortable and therefore shredded back to using Windows.
If you're serious about CIS, that's a big mistake. Even if you never touch a *NIX box, you'll encounter plenty of specialized hardware boxes that run some special version of Linux.

By the way, as a last note, I am eighteen years of age and out of a job. I have no money and cannot afford books or certifications and therefore feel as though I am wasting my time in class
Try some PC repair and/or volunteer IT work. The experience is practical and will help you define the gaps in your knowledge. You may also find a direction to pursue. It'll also help you get money. Money is nice; I like money.

All of my life I have gotten the sense that I am a failure and procrastinator, that people who know me think too highly of me or don't think of me as anything.
Get some medication. I take Bupropion and Methylin. They've taken me from where you are now to a fully functioning member of society (and general Internet jerk).

I am a man of faith, I have strong beliefs about the truth of the Bible and how it is God's inspired Word for all of us.
Speaking of functioning members of society and the rules thereof, it's best not to bring up religion. Unless you're at a Church event. Then it's okay. "[R]eligion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God" (Thomas Jefferson).

But honestly, I would avoid the entire IT field for now. There's a lot going on, and not all of it benefits non-India biased IT. If you have a second love, go to the small to mid sized businesses in that industry, then take on as much of the IT burden as the environment allows.

Closing thought: Commas are not periods. Learn the difference.


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Response Number 2
Name: Jennifer SUMN
Date: June 19, 2008 at 14:32:01 Pacific
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"one of my teachers is telling me consistently that though I am young I should really contemplate University". That's exactly when you SHOULD do it. When you're young. It's very difficult to return to school after several years' or even a one year absence. Go to college. Work part-time, take out loans, get your Degree, and then you can figure out what you want to do. Good Luck.

And, using proper grammar and sentence structure is important, as part of working with computers/networking/computer security, etc. is documentation, which requires PROPER spelling.

Life's more painless for the brainless.


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Response Number 3
Name: Razor2.3
Date: June 19, 2008 at 14:46:31 Pacific
Reply:

Dang, Jennifer. Are you still worked up over the grammar in Nick's "Google it!" thread?


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Response Number 4
Name: Matthudski
Date: June 20, 2008 at 01:50:33 Pacific
Reply:

I work in the IT Consultancy Business, and are always looking for trained IT staff. However most non vendor based training is not valued at all by the companies I have worked for (Except a degree maybe).
for network Security look at Cisco CCNA. It's very hard and can be expensive to do exmas and courses, but you can pick up CCNA books on ebay dirt cheap.
Microsoft (as you stated) is also a good way to go. get an MSCE (which is a bit of a long process), but again, get books and read, then take exams - start with 70-290 Windows 2003 server and get a MCP and work your way up.
If you have a CCNA and an MCSE (not worth going for MCITP yet) most employees would snap you up.
However.... Experience is key, but with a CCNA and MCSE, you will be heads and shoulders above your competition.
Matt Hudski


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Response Number 5
Name: longman2006
Date: June 20, 2008 at 08:54:22 Pacific
Reply:

thanks Matt!

Darin Luckie


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Response Number 6
Name: Jennifer SUMN
Date: June 20, 2008 at 11:04:10 Pacific
Reply:

Razor, I ALWAYS get worked up over the butchering of our native language. :) And, people who admit that English isn't their first language invariably express themselves better than your average 15-year old. :)

Life's more painless for the brainless.


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Response Number 7
Name: longman2006
Date: June 20, 2008 at 12:42:08 Pacific
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I wholeheartedly agree with you in regards o such a statement. Nevetheless, I am not here to take a course on the English language nor do I pay much attention to my spelling and grammar herein at such a topic. However, I have to say that I am quite offended because you do not know me nor the extent of my writing.
I am a writer and I have used PC's for a long time. Moreover, I do not look as I type and was in the midst of a conversation whilst typing up my very first post, therefore please let it alone my good friend.
As to your comment in regards to "people who admit that English isn't their first language invariably express themselves better than your average 15-year old", I admit that this is true for a VERY SIMPLE REASON. Namely the following:

It is invariably BECAUSE English is not their native language that they are able to learn it much better than many whom have spoken, written and learned to speak in such a tongue since a young age because they learn it the proper way (more than most often) instead of through listening to their peers, parents and teachers whom do not care about grammer and the like.

Please do not go about getting upset over a small issue as the like when my post and initial question was in regards to computers and choosing a career path, nothing to do with the accuracy of my writing. Thank you very much for your cooperation.

"Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own estimation" Prov 26:5

By the way, I wonder why you get so worked up on this issue?

Darin Luckie


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Response Number 8
Name: Jennifer SUMN
Date: June 20, 2008 at 14:46:14 Pacific
Reply:

Hold on there, longman. I didn't criticize your writing. I made a recommendation. You said "Please advise if possible?" That's exactly what I did. You posted the questions. If you didn't want advice, why ask? My reply to Razor was in regard to the OTHER post to which he was referring. I did not refer to you in any way.

So, why do I get so worked up on this issue? Because I believe it's important to use proper grammar, spelling, and sentence structure. After over 27 years in the work-force, I've experienced many situations where using improper grammar (both written and spoken) have made the speaker or writer look incompetent and illiterate. One place I worked in HR, and a guy submitted his resume and misspelled his NAME of all things. So, wouldn't you think that makes him look either ignorant, stupid, or just plain too lazy to check his resume before submitting it?

I admit, I'm not perfect. I spell words wrong, sometimes uses commas where a semi-colon should be used, but I strive for my written communication to be (yes, there's the infinitive) legible and readable AND proper.

So, tell me, if you were hiring someone for a job that required significant attention to detail, who would you hire? Someone who crossed his/her T's and dotted the I's? Or someone who can't even spell his/her first name correctly?

My point is, if you're looking for a job in the business world, you need to know how to spell. The first impression any potential employer has of an applicant is that applicant's resume. Misspelled words are a red flag. Ask any HR person.

Domain Admins/Network Admins/Security Specialists can really screw things up if they type information incorrectly. So, it's THAT important.

THAT's why I get so worked up.

Check out this link: http://ezinearticles.com/?Why-Prope...

Or, Google "Why is proper grammar important?"

I am now off my soapbox, and thank you for your support. :)

Life's more painless for the brainless.


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Response Number 9
Name: longman2006
Date: June 22, 2008 at 19:40:20 Pacific
Reply:

Sorry there. I did not mean for my reply to come across in such a manner or to appear arrogant.

Whilst I completely agree with you in that grammar is important (dare I even to say a NECESSITY) in the workplace, I just do not find it so in common usage or in conversation.

Nevertheless, it makes no difference. I understand and see where you were coming from. Moreover, I acknowledge that I had made such a request for advice and wisdom, no matter where or how it came about and therefore send my apologies.

Personally, I just hate to be publicly (or even openly) rebuked on such a matter so insignificant, though through a "private message" or something of the sort I would completely be accepting and welcome it.

Thank you.
Have a GREAT day!

Darin

Darin Luckie


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Response Number 10
Name: Jennifer SUMN
Date: June 24, 2008 at 15:27:02 Pacific
Reply:

Apology accepted. Can you believe it, though? The guy actually misspelled his NAME of all things..... Unless of course it really was spelled Terrry.

Life's more painless for the brainless.


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