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2 wireless routers & a cisco switch

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Name: yourdj70
Date: August 10, 2008 at 11:34:38 Pacific
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I have a dsl connection, 2 linksys wireless routers and a 24
port cisco switch. What is the best way to tie all of these
together to form 1 big network?



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Response Number 1
Name: jefro
Date: August 10, 2008 at 12:36:12 Pacific
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Throw the wireless away and hook up the cisco to the dsl modem.

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Response Number 2
Name: StuartS
Date: August 11, 2008 at 04:45:54 Pacific
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At least throw one of the routers away. With a 24 port switch there is absolutely no reason to use two routers with only on Internet connection.

Stuart


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Response Number 3
Name: Curt R
Date: August 11, 2008 at 06:01:14 Pacific
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Throw the wireless away and hook up the cisco to the dsl modem.

Considering the cisco switch won't have a firewall I'd say this isn't the best suggestion possible.

If it were me, I'd put a SOHO router between the DSL and the Cisco switch. This will give you firewall protection as well as NAT and DHCP (just a couple other things not provided by the switch).


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Response Number 4
Name: jefro
Date: August 11, 2008 at 15:09:53 Pacific
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"If it were me, I'd put a SOHO router between the DSL and the Cisco switch. This will give you firewall protection as well as NAT and DHCP (just a couple other things not provided by the switch)."

I'll agree to that if you disable the wireless, and configure the (if offered) built in security features some soho routers offer.

"Best Practices", Event viewer, host file, perfmon, are in my top 10


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Response Number 5
Name: qejazs
Date: August 11, 2008 at 20:53:37 Pacific
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just use cisco switch and dsl


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Response Number 6
Name: Curt R
Date: August 12, 2008 at 06:26:15 Pacific
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I'll agree to that if you disable the wireless, and configure the (if offered) built in security features some soho routers offer.

*sighing*

Find me 3 SOHO routers (wireless or otherwise) that don't offer NAT, a firewall and DHCP.

I doubt you can.

In fact, since the OP is talking about having 2 LinkSys SOHO routers, how about you just find me one LinkSys SOHO router (wireless or otherwise) that doesn't offer the aforementioned security.

Just to reiterate for you jefro and for gejazs too, a Cisco switch offers no security. So, explain to me, and to everyone else just, what sense it makes to remove all security from your external connection?????


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Response Number 7
Name: yourdj70
Date: August 12, 2008 at 11:33:45 Pacific
Reply:

i probably should have mentioned that this is for my house.
It's wired with cat-5e. One wireless router is for the laptops
in the house. I bought the other wireless router to extend
the range of the network to a building that is about 30 feet
from the house. I want to get the routers to work together as
one router. Is this possible?


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Response Number 8
Name: Curt R
Date: August 12, 2008 at 12:09:08 Pacific
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I don't know that you'll be able to do what you want. It will depend on the capabilities of the equipment.

The only possibility I can see (other than running a cable out to the other building) is if the router you put there is able to have it's WAN port set to a static IP that's in the same subnet as the rest of the network and it's able to broadcast/receive wirelessly via that external interface.

If it can, then you setup your scope on the first router for say (example) 192.168.0.100 to 192.168.0.200. Use 192.168.0.250 for that router's IP and 192.168.0.251 for the one out in the other building. You could then create a DHCP scope on the second router of 192.168.0.50 to 192.168.0.99. You would also want to shut off all firewall features on this router since it's behind the first one which would have the router working.

Again, this depends on the capabilities of the equipment. You may want to contact LinkSys tech support (I'd recommend calling them on the phone) and ask them if this is possible.

If it's not, I highly recommend you dig a trench between buildings, get outdoor grade Cat5e or Cat6 and run it between the buildings and physically connect the second wireless router to the cable.


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Response Number 9
Name: jefro
Date: August 12, 2008 at 14:35:33 Pacific
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Gosh, all the one's I have seen are either disabled by default or not fully implemented. A poor firewall is no security. Worse yet it is false hope to someone who might be fooled into thinking they are protected. To top it off most people start by saying "disable the firewall".

Might as well protect it with bubble gum.

"Best Practices", Event viewer, host file, perfmon, are in my top 10


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Response Number 10
Name: Curt R
Date: August 13, 2008 at 07:37:48 Pacific
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You must not have seen very many SOHO routers then because every SOHO router I've seen had the firewall enabled by default.

Every one I've tested at the Shields Up (Courtesy Gibson Research) website was actively protecting the LAN (which is to say, the port scans all received "no reply" or showed "stealth" on all ports scanned.

Just so you know, I've worked on, deployed, and tested quite a number of SOHO routers (various brands and models) over the years.

But even "poor security" is better than none and your original suggestion in this string was "none". And I quote, "Throw the wireless away and hook up the cisco to the dsl modem."

With no firewall between the DLS modem and the Cisco switch, you end up with no firewall and no protection since Cisco switches are not capable of performing firewall duties in any real sense.

I'll grant you that wireless is inherently insecure and that is my major beef with it. I'm not a fan of wireless and recommend against using it if you have sensitive data you don't want anybody to access. However, in this case, I doubt that's a serious consideration and if the OP deploys WPA encryption, he should be alright and his network reasonably secure from intrusion via the wireless signal. A SOHO router with a builtin firewall connected to the DSL modem will prevent intrusion from the hardwired end of the network.


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Response Number 11
Name: jefro
Date: August 13, 2008 at 15:13:09 Pacific
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Then we can agree that the best is an opinion.

I don't know what level the switch is but it too may have all the features a soho router has and in some cases more. But I am thinking an enterprise level switch. Might just be a dumb switch.

"Best Practices", Event viewer, host file, perfmon, are in my top 10


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Response Number 12
Name: Curt R
Date: August 14, 2008 at 08:11:57 Pacific
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Then we can agree that the best is an opinion.

I'm not entirely sure what you mean by that. But then, I'm not sure what you mean most of the time you post anything.

I recommended the OP put a firewall between the internet connection and the switch for security reasons (ie: prevent intrusion).

Intrusion is not opinion, it's a fact of life on the internet.

Lack of intrusion prevention means you will eventually be compromised. Again, not opinion, fact.

You told the OP to not use any form or intrusion prevention....fact.

I recommended they do....again fact.


I don't know what level the switch is but it too may have all the features a soho router has and in some cases more. But I am thinking an enterprise level switch. Might just be a dumb switch.

I do realize you could do some things on an enterprise level cisco switch that are kind of similar to what a firewall does. However, you cannot in good conscience say, "I don't know what level the switch is but it too may have all the features a soho router has and in some cases more. I'm afraid that's just not true.

I've never heard of anybody actually trying to use a cisco switch as a firewall. Not even Cisco themselves. There's a reason Cisco builds firewall devices.........namely because they know their switches aren't capable of doing the job.....period.

Not to mention, never once did you ever say anything at all about configuring the switch as a firewall (which you can't anyhow and I'm sure you know that which is why you didn't say anything about trying to turn a switch into a firewall). Again, here's your initial reply to the OP:

Throw the wireless away and hook up the cisco to the dsl modem.

I don't see any recommendations to try to make the switch a firewall in that post.....

Without wanting to be rude might I suggest you stop right here and now. You've already proven to me, and anybody else in the know, that you don't know as much as you think you do. For you to say anymore would just be you digging a deeper hole and making yourself look that much more foolish.


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