When we are talking about stability, the word Microsoft shouldn't come into it. I am new in networking, with an MCP and a CNE. I work with both Operating systems and if I had to choose I'll definitely choose Novell. Working with novell is an interesting challenge. Working with NT is like playing a game, and it is not stable. My novell server has never gone down since I started working with my current company. NT is a different story. Great job Novell!

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Hey John! I have a Netware server that has been running for 485 days now without being rebooted. I am using Zenworks and NDS on our other nine servers and they work excellently. Could it be your lack of success could be attributed to lack of knowledge? Just wondering.

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Ditto: Novell is known for it's file services and printing. NT is known for its applications. I prefer to manage my network so I use Novell. I am running 18 Novell netware 5 servers, a Boardermanager server, a Groupwise Mail server and a Manage Wise server. Windows 2000 has a very bad user and group policy problem. It dumps the policies. Remember that it just came out and it already has a major update on the MSFT site. I use Zenwork to push policies and NAL to setup user programs from the server. Enough said. Go to the Novell Schools or spend more time working with the Novell Network------- John !! BobD8

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They say there's a bug in the Windows system: every 58 days you have to reboot. I haven't spoken anyone yet who has a NT-server running already 58 days. Would be something for Guinness book. However, my NT-server is running now for 612 days without one single reboot (and that's even not a record!!). So, John, I assume you have to go back to classroom and try to become a NCE (or is it that's too difficult for you perhaps?)

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I ran into this one by accident and couldn't help but laugh. I'm responsible for a fairly large data center and we have been running Novell now for about 10 years ... 2x, through 3x and now 4x. Compare to most of our other locations all around the world we have the lowest cost, highest availability ratings in the company and the simplicity of Novell has a lot to do with it. It does a few things, it does them well. While we do normal cycling on the servers, more to detect any pending hardware faults we do have some back end machines that have been up almost 3 years, no boot. No problems. I am sorry to say that we are converting to NT, to align with a global standard for our company, and while we are not enhancing functionality, just replacing the OS on existing FS and print services it's gonna cost be about $250,000 to buy hardware that all of that Microsoft fluff needs to run. Big, Big Waste. John, you need to spend a little time understanding what you're bitchin about ... while Novell continues to loose market share to Microsoft it has precious little to do with a decent value proposition...

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John, You need your head read and properly trained. You obviously have no real netware exprience.

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Hey John! The conclusion here is obvious from both NT and Netware folks. The two NOS are used for different needs. Our Netware server has not been re-booted since it was upgraded to 5.1. Our Windows NT server however needs a daily boot. Sounds like you need to gain some experience before blowing steam.

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Like response number 11 I also ran into this particular subject forum by accident. I must say that I read through all these postings with a lot of interest and a decent amount of puzzlement. Admittedly, I am fairly new to the Network Administration feild(been in it now for 2 1/2 years). I am the administrator for a company which has 3 NT servers and 5 Novell servers. I administer the NT servers myself and we pay a consulting company made up of Novell Certified Engineers to handle all the major administrative tasks of our Novell servers(I only do light admin, reset print servers, setup new users, setup new printers and print queues, etc). Not being an expert in Novell, I don't feel qualified to rate it as an NOS. However, I will share with you this. Of the 3 NT servers we have here the one that has been part of the system longest is 2 years old. It is an Oracle database server, amongst other things. I have been forced to reboot that machine only 2 times in 2 years!! I have yet to have to reboot the other NT servers(both 8 months running). Of the 5 Novell servers we have, 1 is used as our main file server (Netware 4.11). How long uptime does it have showing? It is currently at 24 days! My point is this. All the time I see postings from people about how they are constantly having to reboot their NT servers and how Novell is so stable. Well, our NT servers are being administered by a guy(me) with only 2 1/2 years experience in the field and no certifications (I'm self taught except for my Novell training), while our Novell servers are administered by CNE's, most of which have more than 5 years experience in the field. I of course lean more towards NT since I am more familiar with it and because, at least in our environment, it is more stable than Novell. So either I am a 2 1/2 year prodigy (which I am not) or NT isn't as bad as people make it out to be. I leave you to draw your own conclusions.

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Hey root I choose to use Netware. Before you call anyone a simpleton, you should learn to spell. It sounds like you have a lot of Netware experience. Printing and surfing the net. Maybe you should spend less time on the internet and more time reading books, and learning about the pioneer in Network Operating Systems.

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here's my take on all of this.... Novell used to be good when it was 5.0 and that's when it all hit the fan. Getting rid of NWadmin was a mistake and console one sucks. I enjoy bashing Both OS's but as I get more and more into win2k I am loosing the zeal I once had for novell. What killed it for me was Zen 3 and that crappy 4.8 client they released. Novell should learn to test thier software before they release it!

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Hmm lets look at this NDS - has been demonstrated with 1 billion objects Active Directory - has been demonstrated with 10 thousand objects I think the real network administrators know the score and are not fooled by Microsofts attempts to rule the computing industry. However you look at it Novell wins weather its stability, reliability, speed, security, customer service,......the list goes on.

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