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Name: g3guy
Date: July 12, 2003 at 13:54:55 Pacific
OS: os9
CPU/Ram: powerg3/96mb
Comment:

Set up WINXP,WIN98 and MACOS9 on a home network. All work ok on-line. Both Win machines see and talk to each other. Can ping Mac from both win and they see it but nothing else. Since I am not a Mac man I used the Mac Help to set everything up and it all looks ok, I guess. Does Mac have any checks that can be made such as Win does ie:ping,netstat,etc.



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Response Number 1
Name: the pickle
Date: July 12, 2003 at 15:27:32 Pacific
Reply:

How is the network set up?

http://threemacs.com/

should give you some ideas.

p


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Response Number 2
Name: clockwork
Date: July 12, 2003 at 15:28:03 Pacific
Reply:

Mac OS 9 cannot File Share with Windows
computers.

There are Freeware downloads for OS 9.x like
"MacTCP Ping" - but pinging is all you will be able
to do.

There are 4 ways around the problem:

1. Web Share: go up to the coloured Apple Menu -
top left of screen >> scroll down to "Control
Panels" >> scroll across and down to "Web
Sharing" - and activate.
Onboard the Mac there is a "Web Share" folder
(most likely in the "Documents" folder directly in
the HD).
Anything you drop into this folder will become
available through Web Sharing on your network.

All you need to do then, is to open Internet
Explorer on any one of your WIN machines and
key in the Mac's IP address - eg: 192.168.0.203
and it will instantly show the contents of the Web
Share folder and allow you to download the
contents into your WIN machine.
But you cannot upload anything to this folder.

For more info - go to the Help menu item up top of
your screen >> scroll down to "Mac Help" and
type in: Web Share

Still - Web Sharing will only work on your local
network and only allow you to download to your
WIN computers.

2. Upgrade to Operating System X (OS 10.2 - or
better known as "Jaguar"). OS X is Apple's latest
Operating System. It has a solid UNIX BSD
foundation - and uses Samba. It's operations and
interface are a cross between Apple, PC, and
UNIX.
OS X file shares perfectly with WIN 98, 2000, and
XP. OS X can be purchased from any Apple
retailer.
In your case however, you definately will need to
increase the RAM in your G3 - from 96 MB to
around 256 MB minimum - or 512 MB preferred.

3. Go to the following URL:

http://www.thursby.com/products/dave.html

The product is called "DAVE 4.1" - for Mac OS 8.6
through to Mac OS 9.2.2. This piece of software
allows OS 9 to connect to WIN Machines and
visa-versa.
The thursby site will tell you everything you need
to know.

4. A final possibility if your PCs have USB ports -
would be going back to the 'good ol' days' of the
"sneaker network".

The latest TREK Thumb Drives require no drivers
and can just plug straight into the USB port of any
computer where it will mount and allow you to
copy information back and forth, independant of
the Operating System.

The latest ThumbDrives hold 512 MB of storage
space and will work with either USB 1.0 or USB
2.0. I believe that a 1 GB ThumbDrive will be
appearing shortly.

For more info - go to:

http://www.thumbdrive.com/

cheers

cw


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Response Number 3
Name: clockwork
Date: July 12, 2003 at 15:48:13 Pacific
Reply:

oh yeah - and here's a download for MacTCP
Ping - good and free:

http://download.info.apple.com/
Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/
English-North_American/Macintosh/Misc/
MacTCP_Ping_2.0.2.sea.bin

cw


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Response Number 4
Name: the pickle
Date: July 12, 2003 at 16:25:01 Pacific
Reply:

It sounds like the Mac isn't even on the network yet, not that he's trying to share files.

p


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Response Number 5
Name: clockwork
Date: July 12, 2003 at 16:41:30 Pacific
Reply:

Pickle,

Well - if he can ping from WIN to Mac - one can
assume he's ethernetted something to
something...

cw


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Response Number 6
Name: the pickle
Date: July 12, 2003 at 19:11:00 Pacific
Reply:

Allow me to restate:

It sounds like the Mac is not yet online.

p


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Response Number 7
Name: clockwork
Date: July 12, 2003 at 21:35:16 Pacific
Reply:

Pickle,

g3guy says in first two sentences:

"Set up WINXP,WIN98 and MACOS9 on a home
network. All work ok on-line."

nothing is certain bar what the user claims - yes?

cw


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Response Number 8
Name: paxcirca
Date: July 13, 2003 at 00:49:56 Pacific
Reply:

By saying that he can get online, all that we can
assume is that he has a connection to his router/
hub/switch/whatever that is set up as a DHCP server.

Since OS 9 does not have built in Samba server
support, my thought is that the best way to share
files without upgrading to OS X or shelling out
übercash for Dave is to set up an FTP server on both
the M$ and Apple machines, within a firewall. Either
that or ... I think that Windows 2000 has Apple File
Protocol support ... but that would require paying
even more money.

----paxcirc.a-


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Response Number 9
Name: g3guy
Date: July 13, 2003 at 04:18:43 Pacific
Reply:

Thank you all. It will take me awhile to check it all out since I know next to nothing about Macs but I'll let you know. Yes, the Mac is working on-line. They are on a Linksys 4 port router to Comcast. No problem with any on the internet.


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Response Number 10
Name: the pickle
Date: July 13, 2003 at 10:12:28 Pacific
Reply:

Win2K *Server* is required for the AppleTalk functionality.

Best bet is turning one of the Windoze boxes into a Linux box and running Netatalk on it.

p


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Response Number 11
Name: g3guy
Date: July 13, 2003 at 12:17:36 Pacific
Reply:

OK, clockwork, #1 works after MANY sharing entries in various places. I may learn something about Macs after this. #2 is out since the Mac is not mine and I can't get through to the PHD educator owner who can get a copy FREE. I'm the WinXP. #3 is next and then I'll see what Thumbdrives are all about just for giggles.


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Response Number 12
Name: clockwork
Date: July 13, 2003 at 12:41:27 Pacific
Reply:

And # 6 - read a good book every once in a while
(pure fiction is best) - get out a video or DVD -
preferably a foreign film full of dishy Turkish girls -
take a walk in the sunshine - eat something with
10 million calories in each bite - and generally
eat, drink, and be merry... for tomorrow... we may
not die afterall =)

cheers

cw


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Response Number 13
Name: LikWiD
Date: July 14, 2003 at 09:11:07 Pacific
Reply:

Any of you guys ever heard of PC MacLAN?

Basically, if all the computers are on the network
and can ping each other, just install an AppleTalk
client on your PCs (I used to run PC MacLAN).
After that, you will be able to access your MAC
from the PCs and Vice-Versa. Of course, you will
have to set up your share volumes, users etc...

Another solution would be to install JAG on the
Mac and activate the SMB (Windows File
Sharing).

What you need to share files from/to windows and
Apple are either AppleTalk protocole on every
computer or SMB protocole or every computer.
Macs have AppleTalk built-in in the OS and MS
Windows has SMB built-in. the choice is yours.

II do agree with The Pickle and paxcirca on that. If
you do not want to pay to have file shared
between the puters, install a FTPD and FTP client
on them or install linux on the PCs in order to
have apple talk protocole. On the other end,
always using FTP to browse your files is a security
risk and a major pain in the ass. I think that
installing Linux is not an option for G3guy since
he has computers running XP and 9X, he must
need these OSes, otherwise, he would have
switched earlier.

Final solution: Switch them all to Macs ;)

Good Luck
LikWiD


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Response Number 14
Name: g3guy
Date: July 15, 2003 at 10:19:12 Pacific
Reply:

Admittedly, I had never used a Mac untill setting up this network, but what a struggle to find out what's going on. Other points aside I can see why Windows got where it is today. I don't need any software other than XP to set up and troubleshoot a network. I have no idea what OSX is capable of but no thanks on switching over to a Mac.


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Response Number 15
Name: LikWiD
Date: July 16, 2003 at 07:20:16 Pacific
Reply:

Well seems like your XP DOES need another software to access AppleTalk volumes. ;-)

On the other side, OSX can allow access to AppleTalk, SMB, NFS and many other kind of network protocoles without any extra software.

It think the difference is quite obvious! ;)

But I understand that you do not want to sitch to Mac. Before I began using a Mac, I was a windows user to the core but now that I have seen the light, I will never go back to the ugly grey world!

BTW, try connecting a 100+ workstations network with a blend of XP, 95, 98, Me, NT4, 2K... goodmorning headache!

Regards,
LikWiD


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