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Name: lucas1
Date: November 20, 2005 at 17:34:29 Pacific
OS: 10.4
CPU/Ram: 512
Comment:

I have an imac g5 running OSX10.4 and Office 2004,
networked to a G4DP Server (OSX10.3 Server).

When saving a word document on to the server the
following message appears

"There has been a network or file permission error. The
Network connection may be lost. (filename.doc)".

This only happens on this g5 (we have 14 on a network)
and it tends to only happen after 5pm (wierd!), and it is
not isolated to one particular document. I have had our
Mac guy (who is very competent) try and sort it (including
a hard disk reformat and rebuild) and he is still scratching
his head.

This issue is driving me crazy, and the operator is pulling
her hair out!
Any assistance would be greatly appreciated....

Grant
South Australia



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Response Number 1
Name: bobw
Date: November 21, 2005 at 11:07:12 Pacific
Reply:

Microsoft Office 2004 11.2.1 (#7): More on "Network or
file permission error" -- potential fixes
We continue to report on issue where, when saving Word
2004 documents to a server, Word will sporadically return
the following error:

"There has been a network or file permission error. The
network connection may be lost."
It appears that in many instances of this issue, the
problem has to do with the way that Microsoft Word (and
other Office applications) write temporary files, then
transfer that information into an actually saved file.

When the user is working on a document, Word and other
Office apps save temporary file to to the top level of the
active startup directory. The information in that file is
later transferred to the actual saved document when the
user invokes the "Save" or "Save as" command.

The problem occurs when there is some interruption with
this transfer process. This can be the result of a
permissions problem, or a potential flaw in the way that
Mac OS X's networking components traverse across
filesystems to save files.

As such, a common environment for manifestation of
these problems is a situation where client users are using
network-based home directories. Word and other Office
applications attempt to create temporary files at the top
directory on the startup device, then have a problem
transferring that information across filesystems to the
user's home directory.

MacFixIt reader Burk Roberts writes:

"It appears to me that the problem is more widespread in
environments with networked home folders. However, all
our users have local homes and we use an AFP sharepoint
where we save all our current work. (This setup gives us
our workaround: "Save As..." to the local user's desktop,
and after editing is complete manually drag the file to the
correct location on the sharepoint.) Microsoft tells me
they've heard of the problem occurring on Panther
machines, but we never saw it until we migrated to Tiger
and the problem seems to be much more prevalent
among Tiger users."

Another MacFixIt reader documented his experience with
one variant of the issue in a series of blog postings,
concluding:

http://systemsboy.blogspot.com/2005/09/tiger-lab-
migration-part-8-home.html
"Some of our problems were related to a particular brand
of home account server, some seem to be application- or
NFS-specific. I have a blog in which I documented the
entire experience, including fixes. It's quite lengthy, and
starts off a little wrong-headed. It's hard to know if any of
this will be useful to anyone. But, for what it's worth, we
were able to fix these problems."

Matthew L. Nilles provides some additional data points,
noting that deletion of specific .plist files (including the
com.microsoft.Word.prefs.plist file, located in ~/Library/
Microsoft/) temporarily solves the problem.

"I am having this exact problem with one of my network
users on only one of my iMac G5s (There has been a
network or file permission error. The network connection
may be lost). I run a small network for my research lab
(~12 users, 5 iMac G5's, the server is a dual G4 tower
running 10.4.3 Server), all the iMac G5s have Tiger 10.4.3
and the latest version of Office. What i find puzzling is
that user with the problem only has it on one of the iMacs,
when he logs into the others everything is fine. He also
has a recurring issue where the Word documents that he
opens, open as read only. Again this only occurs on the
same iMac, the same documents open fine on the other
iMacs in the lab. I am completely baffled by what to do, I
have fixed permissions and checked the permissions on
his files and the Office folder and Word, as far as I can tell
the permissions settings on the problem iMac are the
same as they are on the non-problem iMacs. I deleted all
the Microsoft and word .plist files I could find in his
Preferences folder, this seemed to temporarily fix the
read-only issue and allowed some documents to save
once, then the problem recurred."

Tom Neale reports another case in which networked home
folders are a factor

"I have a school computer lab with both Panther and Tiger
clients connected to a Tiger server which hosts all users'
home folders.

"When a Tiger client tries to save a Word 2004 file to the
user's network-mounted home folder it works, the first
time. Any subsequent saves result in an error something
like "Error: the file could not be saved, the file is open
elsewhere." The same problem occurs after opening an
existing document, modifying it and trying to save it.

"The only option remaining is to perform a Save As and
give it a new name.

Tom also corroborates other data indicating that this
problem is Mac OS X 10.4.x (Tiger)-specific:

"None of this occurs on the 10.3 clients, they can save
normally. But they are all so old and slow (Rev A and B G3
iMacs) that Office 2004 is pretty much unusable.

Aaron Willems laments the issue further

"T recently upgraded all my Production clients to Tiger.
We also have a Brand new Xserve with Xraid running Tiger
Server. All of my Production Staff have been reporting the
famous, 'There has been a network or file permission
error. The network connection may be lost.', issue when
using Word 2004. I thought the problem might be with
the Tiger Server installation. I was dreading the idea of
coming in on Saturday, to do a clean install of OS X Server.
Well, I guess I'm either going to have downgrade clients to
Panther, or tell them to wait for a fix. Microsoft needs to
fix this problem right away. We are a Multi-Million dollar
company that is 95% Mac based. We don't have time for
stuff like this."

Potential fix Again, in most instances of this issue, the
problem occurs when Word stores temporary files at the
top level of the current startup volume. It seems that
when traversing across a network volume to transfer data
from a temporary file to a normal data file (using the
"Save" command), an error is encountered.

As such, one potential fix (though it introduces a security
issues) is to give all client users write access to the top
level of the connected server volume (mounted on the
client) -- this is where Word and other apps write their
temporary files.

MacFixIt reader G. Magee notes a caveat to this solution,
however:

"Once a mounted server volume (folder) becomes
corrupted, changing the write access permissions (for that
folder) may not fix the problem (it didn't for me). I had to
move the contents of the corrupted folder on the server to
a newly created folder (with write access for clients). That
fixed it for all users."


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Response Number 2
Name: lucas1
Date: November 21, 2005 at 18:15:46 Pacific
Reply:

Thanks, great advice

The fix....
I have de installed Office 2004 and reinstalled OfficeX and
the problem has disappeared (but I can't run Office 2004!!).

Hopefullly this issue will be sorted by Apple and Microsoft

Many Thanks

Grant
South Australia


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