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running a Mac

Original Message
Name: shakushinnen
Date: August 29, 2006 at 11:19:08 Pacific
Subject: running a Mac
OS: ???
CPU/Ram: Celeron 706mhz/324mbs
Model/Manufacturer: Power Mac 7200/90
Comment:
Hi,
I was given this machine, but know NOTHING about Macs. I bought the adapter to get my monitor hooked up, but now find that my PC mouse and keyboard don't fit. What do I need to do? I just wan't to get this thing working to see what it's like, not use it for anything.
Thanks,
John

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Response Number 1
Name: Golfer
Date: August 29, 2006 at 17:13:33 Pacific
Subject: running a Mac
Reply: (edit)
Older Macs use ADB mice and keyboards, newer machines
use USB for both. What model is your Mac?

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Response Number 2
Name: Golfer
Date: August 29, 2006 at 17:18:55 Pacific
Subject: running a Mac
Reply: (edit)
oops, didn't see your model info above, sorry.

A 7200 requires ADB mice and keyboard. It is also old
enough you're liable to not find much use for it. It will not
run an OS above OS 9 (without the possible use of
XPostFacto to get OS X on it, and you'd have to do a lot of
upgrading to get it to run X at anywhere near a usable level)


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Response Number 3
Name: dosser
Date: August 30, 2006 at 04:21:27 Pacific
Subject: running a Mac
Reply: (edit)
Celeron 706mhz/324mbs ? LofL !

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=112323

You need an ADB Mouse and keyboard, also it does not have anything PC like compatable.

You can download MAC OS7.5x from Apple, though you will need to format the floppies on a MAC because they do not use FAT12, also you will need other software as the filies are in the .bin format. If you are in UK leave an email addy:

http://www.info.apple.com/support/oldersoftwarelist.html#system

Macintosh/System/Older_System/System_7.5_Version_7.5.3/System_7.5.3_01of19.smi.bin
to
Macintosh/System/Older_System/System_7.5_Version_7.5.3/System_7.5.3_19of19.smi.bin


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Response Number 4
Name: shakushinnen
Date: August 30, 2006 at 10:35:32 Pacific
Subject: running a Mac
Reply: (edit)
Thanks Golfer.
Hi Dosser,
Yes, I don't why the site entered the Celeron business, that's usually what I'm dealing with.
I just want to get this baby up and running, so to speak. It starts but without a mouse or keyboard I'm sunk. So your conclusions are that I have to get the right mouse and keyboard, there are no adapters for these??
John

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Response Number 5
Name: Golfer
Date: August 30, 2006 at 11:43:09 Pacific
Subject: running a Mac
Reply: (edit)
You could put a PCI USB card in the 7200 to use USB
keyboard/mouse. Make sure you get a card that has drivers
for OS 7.5-9.

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Response Number 6
Name: dosser
Date: August 30, 2006 at 13:08:01 Pacific
Subject: running a Mac
Reply: (edit)
You need at least OS8.6 for USB

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Response Number 7
Name: Golfer
Date: August 30, 2006 at 16:31:37 Pacific
Subject: running a Mac
Reply: (edit)
yep, forgot USB wasn't support until 8.6. And if the machine
is running less than 8.6 you'll still need the ADB devices to
get upgraded to 8.6.

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Response Number 8
Name: shakushinnen
Date: August 31, 2006 at 09:34:41 Pacific
Subject: running a Mac
Reply: (edit)
Thanks guys,
I did try the USB thing, after I left my last mail, but as you already know, it didn't fly.
I found a keyboard that might work. It has two ports on it, similar to the ones on my machine, and a button (power button?). Unfortunatley - no cables. If I had the cables could I run the machine from the keyboard, or do I need a mouse. Why is there "two" ports on the back of this keyboard? Could I rig up some cables?
John

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Response Number 9
Name: Kyomii
Date: September 5, 2006 at 15:46:58 Pacific
Subject: running a Mac
Reply: (edit)
To be honest, this Mac is not worth bothering with - you
can't really use it for much at all considering its age!
Certainly not worth spending any money on.

Regards,
Kyomii


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Response Number 10
Name: Golfer
Date: September 5, 2006 at 20:12:16 Pacific
Subject: running a Mac
Reply: (edit)
I found a guy on LEM swap list getting rid of a ADB keyboard
for free, all it costs is the shipping. LEM swap list is a Google
Group (you may have to join to see the post, joining is free).

http://groups.google.com/group/lemswap/browse_thread/
thread/61f0aec6e03b080e/
e6d2a2b1fc82d804#e6d2a2b1fc82d804

(sorry if the entire link isn't clickable, seem to have a
problem getting long links to work on this forum)


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Response Number 11
Name: shakushinnen
Date: September 7, 2006 at 08:54:53 Pacific
Subject: running a Mac
Reply: (edit)
Hi Kymonii,
Yes, I agree. I'm just doing it for fun.
Hi Golfer,
Thanks for the lead. I'm checking into it. Yes, I've had the same problem with links on this site.
John

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Response Number 12
Name: mmerlinn
Date: September 11, 2006 at 23:59:41 Pacific
Subject: running a Mac
Reply: (edit)
This Mac is not worth bothering with?

That is true ONLY if you need the latest
and greatest for audio, video, or some
other high-powered use. Internet use is
one of the things that the older Macs don't
work very well for, but they will work, albeit
not well, even there for most web access.

For run-of-the-mill uses, even including
heavy-duty uses like publishing, his Mac
will work just fine, and if my experience is
any indication, a lot longer and with fewer
problems than a PC.

I have been using Apple products for 26
years and my newest Mac (this one) is 10
years old and is running OS9. I also have
several others in daily use all running
OSs from 7.1 thru 9.2.

I also have used several PCs during that
same period, and in fact have one
running 24" to my left as I write, but I
HATE them. The only reason I have ever
used them at all is that for some jobs they
are the only ones that can do the job in a
timely manner due to the paucity of
software for the Mac. And as long as the
job can get done using a PC as opposed
to me writing a program for a Mac, the PC
is used.

Programs are not very available any
longer for any of my Macs, but I pretty
much have everything I need already. If I
don't have a program to do a certain job, I
write a FoxPro program to get the job
done, or sometimes use a PC.

My Macs are currently used for internet
access, bookkeeping, picture editing,
letter writing, mailing list management
and output, writing web pages using a
FoxPro program I wrote, managing
inventory, writing techical manuals with
hundreds of pages of double-page
spreadsheats, generating and
maintaining hundreds of eBay pages,
writing/debugging FoxPro programs,
writing/maintaining/printing hundreds of
in-house catalogs which are eventually
destined to be put on a website, and even
playing games when all of the other work
burns me out.

The only major programs that I have had
to buy for my Macs were Quark Express,
FoxPro, and Framemaker, all heavy duty
top end programs and all in the $600-700
range ten years ago. Quark and FM are
used for publishing books. FoxPro is a
topend database program used for
almost everything else.

Except for accessing the internet, my
machines do a very good job for me. And
as long as they keep doing that, I see no
reason to spend lots of money (probably
$20,000 or more) upgrading everything to
work on a later machine. And if one
keeps his eyes open, software &
hardware is readily available and cheap.

For example, last year I was able to buy
36 Macs (OS 7.5.3 thru OS 9.2) from a
nearby University for $5 each. Most of
them work and all are around 10 years
old. Even though they were that old the U
had upgraded most of the hard drives to 4
gigs each, with some of the computers
having 3 of these drives in them.
Basically, I have enough parts and
computers to last the rest of my life for the
jobs I need them to do. I may have to buy
a more modern computer soon to access
the internet, but I see no other reason why
I would need to move into the 21st century
for most of my jobs.

The single biggest negative for me
upgrading to OSX is that NONE of my
FoxPro programs will work as they
should. Neither will my copies of FoxPro
run. And neither can i get a later version
of FoxPro because Bill Gates quit making
it for the Mac over ten years ago. To
upgrade would mean buying a different
database program, learning how to use it,
then spending ten YEARS just getting the
programs written and the data converted.
And of course I would soon be ten years
behind on inputing new data. To my way
of thinking, that is plain unacceptable. If I
don't keep up with my industry, I would be
out of business before I could get
everything rewritten and converted.

Best part with a Mac is that everything is
plug & play, usually up and running in
under 5 minutes as opposed to 5 hours,
or 5 days, or 5 weeks, etc on a PC.

If internet access is the goal for your
computer, forget it. You will be VERY
disappointed with it. To access the
internet with a Mac you need as a
MINIMUM OS9 and IE 5.1, the latest IE
browser that will work with OS9. IE 5.1 is
the minimum needed to access the net
on a Mac.

The latest NS browser that works with
OS9 is NS 4.7, but it will NOT work very
well with about half of the webpages on
the net, including eBay pages. I use NS
4.7 because I prefer NS over IE, but I keep
IE 5.1 running at the same time so when
NS won't work I just switch windows and
use IE instead. FF will not work with any
Mac OS before OSX, so even though it is
the best browser available, I can't use it.

Now to answer your questions. There are
two ports on your keyboard, one to hook
the keyboard to the computer, and the
other to plug the mouse, or some other
input device into. It does not matter which
port is used for what as they are identical.
On the keyboard on my LC III, the ports
are on either side of the keyboard. When
I want to change which hand uses the
mouse I just swap the mouse cable to
the opposite side and likewise the cable
to the computer. This particular keyboard
I found 6 months ago in an original
UNOPENED box and paid $3 for it. I think
it amazing that I found a brand new
keyboard that had been in storage for
over ten years.

The button is for starting up and shutting
down. It is easier to use than using the
mouse and the menu. Turn computer on,
push button and wait. When you want to
quit, push button, wait for message, hit
<return>, wait for message, then turn
computer off.

I have seen some USB to ADB adapters
supposedly allowing one to hook an
optical mouse into an ADB keyboard port.
I haven't tried one yet, but since I prefer
optical to mouse balls, when I get some
extra change I will get one. If it works like
it is supposed to, I will convert all of my
computers to optical mice.


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Response Number 13
Name: shakushinnen
Date: September 13, 2006 at 08:17:01 Pacific
Subject: running a Mac
Reply: (edit)
Hi %00,
Thanks for your post. Not having ever used a Mac I can' really relate to your comments about how they compare to PCs, excpept that I do know how long it can take to install hardware on a PC, having spent many hours trying to integrate cards into my system.
I don't suppose you live anywhere near Toronto, or know where I can get a keyboard and/or mouse for the 7200/90?
John

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Response Number 14
Name: mmerlinn
Date: September 13, 2006 at 22:24:33 Pacific
Subject: running a Mac
Reply: (edit)
Nowhere near you at all.

Toronto is large enough that you should
have 1 or 2 businesses there that recycle
used computers. You might try calling
around to the computer stores to find
them, or if you have a metro recycling
hotline you might call that number.

Another option is to contact the large
scrap metal recyclers in your area and
find out who sells computer breakage to
them.

Also there are many many sellers of used
computer components on eBay, so that is
another source.

Hope that helps.



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Response Number 15
Name: shakushinnen
Date: September 14, 2006 at 17:28:09 Pacific
Subject: running a Mac
Reply: (edit)
Hi %00,
Thanks for the info. I'll try those.
John

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