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HELP: simple network setup, G4, Mac

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Name: Zack Monroe
Date: August 4, 2003 at 19:59:45 Pacific
OS: 9.1
CPU/Ram: 600/512
Comment:

I'd like to:

0. have the G4 at 192.168.0.2, 255.255.255.0
1. use an HP 5Si via Ethernet at 192.168.0.11
2. connect to it with crossover cable
3. use the internal modem for Internet

How can I set this up? When I set TCP/IP I can't access Internet through PPP.



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Response Number 1
Name: clockwork
Date: August 5, 2003 at 03:58:11 Pacific
Reply:

Silly (but simple) thought here - but why don't you
just plug in the printer, Install the HP Software,
Select it in the Chooser (by selecting LaserWriter
8 first) - and print to it?

I don't think you even need a cross-over cable for
that - only a regular sraight-through ethernet
cable.

cheers

clockwork


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Response Number 2
Name: Zack Monroe
Date: August 5, 2003 at 07:55:02 Pacific
Reply:

I installed the HP drivers. The printer is conencted over Ethernet so first I have to setup the ip addresses. I do not want DHCP. The printer does not appear in the chooser. I am supposed to select Laserwriter 8 but nothing appears in the right panel.

My problem seems to be that when I enable TCP/IP over Ethernet I cannot also have PPP for the modem to conenct online. Surely taht can't be how things should work in Mac land!

Since we're not going through a switch a crossover cable is required.

Another question: how can I ping? Doing a search in Mac help for ping produces nothing. Surely I am able to do this?

It's not funny how much simpler this can be done on my Win2K PC!



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Response Number 3
Name: clockwork
Date: August 5, 2003 at 11:07:03 Pacific
Reply:

Zack,

That's correct. Mac OS 9.1 / 9.2.2 has no terminal
thus no ping utility. However - you can download
one from here:

http://download.info.apple.com/
Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/
English-North_American/Macintosh/Misc/
MacTCP_Ping_2.0.2.sea.bin

Good, free, and a mere 42 kilobytes =)

Now - about the printer - a contradiction in your
former statements:

If there's no ethernet switch - why the need to
assign IP Addresses?
(I'm not getting the full picture here. Just a G4 and
a printer? Or a G4 within an office of PCs all going
to the same printer?)

Also - the printer will not communicate with the G4
via a cross-over ethernet cable. It needs just a
standard RJ45 straight-through cable.

How come? Because the printer is not another
computer - and the crossover cable will only
reverse the signals from the G4 to the printer -
which is why you cannot see it in the G4's
Chooser.

Assigning IP addresses would make sense if you
had a Switch acting as the junction for - let's say -
a Star Topology Network - yet as you have stated
- no switch - thus I cannot see any need for IP
Addresses - unless the picture is bigger than what
you've lain down here.

Where the TCP/IP Control Panel is concerned -
just leave it on PPP (to Configure: using PPP
Server) - and enter the Name Server Addresses
and (optionally) the Search Domain.

Close TCP/IP. Save changes.

Go back up to the rainbow Apple Menu -->> scroll
back down to "Control Panels" -->> scroll across
and up to "AppleTalk".

In 'AppleTalk' - go up to the "Edit" menu and scroll
down to "User Mode..." - and choose "Advanced" -
then click "OK".

Back in 'AppleTalk' click on the "Options..." button
- and Make AppleTalk "Active". Hit 'OK'.

Up the top of the 'AppleTalk' panel, make sure that
the "Connect via:" is on "Ethernet" - not "Printer".

Then Close AppleTalk and Save changes.

Attach a standard straight-through ethernet cable
from the G4 to the Printer. Shut down both. Start
up both.

Go to Chooser. Select "LaserWriter 8" from the left
hand of the Chooser panel, and the HP from the
right hand panel. (It should be there).

You should now be able to Print straight through
and simultaneously connect to the internet via
internal modem.

tell us how you go

cheers

clockwork


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Response Number 4
Name: Zack Monroe
Date: August 5, 2003 at 11:16:47 Pacific
Reply:

All I have is the G4 and the printer. No switch or hub.

1. I thought I needed to assign an IP address to the printer since I'm connecting via Ethernet? If so then I would need an IP address for the computer also, right?

2. I thought I needed a crossover if I'm not going through a switch?



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Response Number 5
Name: clockwork
Date: August 5, 2003 at 17:30:35 Pacific
Reply:

Zack,

Well - just try out a straight-through ethernet cable
to la-Printer and tell us what happens.

I mean - as far as I know - the cross-over ethernet
cable's redeeming feature is in computer to
computer communication (node to node) - without
the need for anything between the two nodes to
act as a traffic warden - yet here there is no
second computer (and the tiny post-script
computer onboard the HP doesn't count).

Try it out. Try it both ways - in combination with the
method shown above. Experiment.

See what happens.

Tell us if you came through with flying colours.

cheers

clockwork


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Response Number 6
Name: SINISA
Date: September 1, 2003 at 09:00:41 Pacific
Reply:

i have g4 without system or enything else.
i have cd with operating system and i don't know how to install it. this is the first time that i meet g4 or machintosh and i desperedly need help.Also i dont know how to boot g4. thanks


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