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Flashing q'mark & no CD startup

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Name: Tasmin
Date: July 5, 2003 at 08:41:26 Pacific
OS: 9.2
CPU/Ram: G3
Comment:

Help!

I could not get my old PPC G3 to start up from a CD (wanting to defragment harddisk and partition it) or external ZIP, so I was very stupid and removed the system file from the system folder, thinking it would force the G3 to search properly for another startup disk.

I am left now with a flashing question mark and no luck finding boot-up CD (have tried several) using C-key at startup or bootable ZIP either, using comm-opt-shift-delete. Have zapped the parameter RAM and rebuilt desktop... all without luck.

Anybody have any suggestions for me?



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Response Number 1
Name: paxcirca
Date: July 5, 2003 at 12:03:48 Pacific
Reply:

Hmm ... is this a beige or a Blue & White G3?

Open up whatever machine it is and make sure that
your CD and ZIP drive are properly connect and make
sure that both drives' jumpers are set to "Cable
Select." If they aren't, change the jumper settings to
it and see if you can boot up from the CD then.

----paxcirc.a-


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Response Number 2
Name: Tasmin
Date: July 5, 2003 at 17:08:18 Pacific
Reply:

It is a beige one -- thank you very much for your advice! I'll get to work and get back to you if it didn't help.

Tasmin


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Response Number 3
Name: Tasmin
Date: July 5, 2003 at 18:07:31 Pacific
Reply:

The jumper of the CD-rom drive does indeed seem to be set to 'slave' instead of 'cable select'. The problem now is, how do I change the jumper settings? I cannot find a way to move what seems like a whole of four small pins: two on either side of a small solid plastic 'block', in any direction. I think they should slide to the left where the 'cable select' setting is indicated on the harddisk's case...

Could you advise me once again please?

Many thanks in advance,

Tasmin


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Response Number 4
Name: paxcirca
Date: July 5, 2003 at 21:02:36 Pacific
Reply:

The jumper situation ~might~ be the problem, but
that's always a good place to start.

The plastic "block" you speak of is what you need to
move. The plastic jumper actually has metal on the
inside and creates a circuit. The jumper should
come off ~fairly~ easy. Sometimes, if it's a pain, you
might have to use something to pull it off. I'm often
irresponsible and use tweezers to pull them off,
which isn't such a hot idea since they are metal and
conductive. Something nonmetallic would be your
best bet.

After you've pulled the jumper off, simply put it onto
the correct two pins.

---paxcirc.a-


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Response Number 5
Name: Tasmin
Date: July 7, 2003 at 05:28:41 Pacific
Reply:

Of course! That made me feel more stupid than a horse's bottom, I tried pushing and pulling in all directions but never thought of actually pulling it off! Thank you very much.

It worked! I have now started up from the CD. Thank you very much once again.

Tasmin


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Response Number 6
Name: fieraci
Date: July 7, 2003 at 10:07:02 Pacific
Reply:

So, How did the jumpers get moved to the wrong spot in
the first place? It worked fine before this problem,
didn't it?


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Response Number 7
Name: Tasmin
Date: July 10, 2003 at 03:51:45 Pacific
Reply:

Well to be honest I don't think so. This computer was previously someone else's, and I do not think they ever thought of starting up from the CD rom drive... Unless they were real Mac-geeks and needed the jumper settings to be changed for some reason unknown to me and never put them back again; I wouldn't know, because I do not know the person who's compter it used to be.


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Response Number 8
Name: the pickle
Date: July 10, 2003 at 06:16:05 Pacific
Reply:

The reasoning is sound, but allow me to interject this:

It's *extremely* rare that a computer ships from the factory with a misconfigured drive.

p


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