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Appletalk Vs TCP/IP

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Name: WARL0X
Date: June 29, 2002 at 14:53:17 Pacific
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I have a problem with a Mac running OS 9.2 connected via Appletalk to a windows based server. When copying a large number (upto 30) of small files (max 500k) over the network to a folder on the windows based mapped drive via appletalk, I get the following message:

"Cannot copy {specified file} to {specified location} because the file cannot be found"

All the files are then knocked back to the original location.

I believe that it could be an issue with Appletalk being faster than TCP/IP and the data being lost.

Is there a patch for OS 9 to fix this or is there a way to make OS 9 use TCP/IP rather than Appletalk? Or is ther another possible reason/ fix for this problem?

PLEASE get back to me ASAP.



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Response Number 1
Name: Steve
Date: June 30, 2002 at 19:54:26 Pacific
Reply:

Warlox...I'm a little weak on TCP/IP vs Appletalk...but here are my thoughts...
TCP/IP runs at the speed supported by the Network Cards...if you have 10meg cards, it runs at 10 meg...if you have 10/100 cards, TCP/IP can run an 100 meg...

I did a little looking around because I can't remember, but I think Appletalk is limited to about 226K but I don't remember why, or if that is correct, but I think so...

Appletalk is the protocol used by Apple for all it's products...I do NOT believe you can eliminate it for TCP/IP...I think TCP/IP runs on top of Appletalk...

In order to hook up a Mac to a NT network using a NT4.0 Server or W2000 Server, you must enable Appletalk on the Mac...but you still have to set up TCP/IP, either as static IP or as DHCP...

I have hooked up Macs to NT networks with OS's ranging from 8.x to OSX and they all need TCP/IP set up...

Go to Apple > Control Panel > TCP/IP and make certain you have everything set up correctly...

Can you copy a couple of large files, say 1meg each???

If so, I suspect in that mix of about 30 or so files, there is one or two that will not move over regardless...try moving each of those files one at a time, and I suspect you will get most of them and maybe a few wil not move...

If that is the case then I suspect that possibly something is wrong with those files, corrupted in some way...perhaps delete the file and re-creat them...

Sorry but that the best I have...

Anyone else to add anything???

Good Luck
Steve


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Response Number 2
Name: the pickle
Date: June 30, 2002 at 21:57:28 Pacific
Reply:

Just a small correction:

AppleTalk is a software-based networking protocol.

LocalTalk and Ethernet are the two hardware protocols it runs on top of.

LocalTalk is limited to 230Kbps. Ethernet runs at 10Mbps on up to Gigabit, and AppleTalk can fully utilise the entire available bandwidth (to a point).

It does sound to me like you might have some corrupt files there. Can you copy them from one place to another on the same hard disk?

p


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Response Number 3
Name: dorfen
Date: July 1, 2002 at 10:12:49 Pacific
Reply:

try manually setting the bandwith on your network cards on the nt boxes ive seen shares do this on nt boxes when networking isnt funtioning properly another problem is that quite often dns dosnt trully work properly in nt (many articles on that one) in reallity it seems to depend more on wins or broadcasting hate to say it (since i own way more pc's than macs) but typically any networking problems can be laid at the pc's fault not the macs (they tend to be preaty sound)


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Response Number 4
Name: the pickle
Date: July 1, 2002 at 11:09:28 Pacific
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Good call. If you can force the ports on the router/hub/switch to 10BaseT or 100BaseT, half duplex (just turn off the damn autosensing for starters), you might fix it.

p


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Response Number 5
Name: WARL0X
Date: July 1, 2002 at 13:10:46 Pacific
Reply:

Thanx every1!

I will try these and c what happens...

Thanx again!

:+)


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