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Name: nathan
Date: February 23, 2001 at 05:06:42 Pacific
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I'm sure I'll get a torrant of abuse for this but here goes. I am a reasonably competant Win2K user and have never had the need to look at Linux. However, I have heard so many people rave about it, I feel I'd like to try it. I know bugger all about it and so this means I know have a few questions to get me started.

1) What advantages does Linux have over Win2K
2) Can it communicate with Win2k machines over a network ?
3) Which version is the best to use ?
4) Any recommendations of a good Linux book ?
5) I'll probably install it on my laptop and I would like to multi-boot it with WinME, Win2K Pro and Win2K Server. I've a 20GB drive. Should I just instal on four separate partitions or use Partition Magic.
6) Does it matter what order you install the OS's.
7) Are there any things that I can do in Win2K, that I cannot do in Linux ?
8) Any further advice on getting started.

Thanks guys and do your best to convert a Win2K fan.

Nathan.



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Response Number 1
Name: arturo
Date: February 23, 2001 at 10:39:27 Pacific
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1. Linux and Win2K are very similar. The Win2K security are class C, like Linux. But you can make security to files and users individually in Win2K, and other permissions like "take own" that Linux don't have.
Linux has a very well security. You can install dictionaries of passwords to advise at the users if a password are crackable.
One of the most important advantage of linux are it's FREE...
Win2K are very stable (without the "page web windows" feature). More stable that NT40.
2. You can connect Linux with a emulator called "SAMBA". You can tell it that Linux are a PDC or BDC, also you can configure it like a "NT Server" or like a station more.
3. I recently install Mandrake 7.0 and it seems good. I had troubles with Mandrake 7.1
4. You can make a multiboot system with LILO, a program in the MBR that can choice the SO to start the machine. Mandrake installs it automatically.
5. Order to isntall SO: Win 9x, Win2K, y finally Linux. If you install first other than Linux it will overwrite the MBR loosing your Linux isntallation.
6. Win2K are a very well SO... (more than any other of Microfoot). It can shutdown y updown a service like http, that NT40 can't do. (Linux can do it). When you create a user it create the user in Exchange (mail server)automatically. Linux can't do it.
This SO are very diferents in its ways to make things, because Linux are a POXIS compliant, and Win2K not. Linux can talk with others SO's like Mac, Unix, NT, Windows, OS/2 in networks or disks. In Win2K you have to pay for patches to have comunication with other SO's.
Like you I think that Win2K are good, but I can pay it, and I don't have a good computer to run Win2K. I use only Linux and I can say "I don't need any Microsfoot product to use my computer, I don't pay for my software, and it's good for my wallet."


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Response Number 2
Name: James
Date: February 23, 2001 at 15:26:10 Pacific
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FYI : Samba is not an emulator. Samba is server software that serves the smb protocol on top of TCP/IP. It works great. My Linux server at home serves my /home smb when I boot to windows and NFS when I boot to Linux. I also use Samba to smbmount windows shares here at work. I run Linux as my desktop now and have for about a month. My NT machine was stable for about 9 months but then dll hell had me going down everyday after that so I rebuit it as Suse7.0 from linuxiso.org. I use wine for Notes so I really have no need for NT.

1. Price $0-$70 (I will buy a $30 distro now and then just to support it but for a business on a 100 seat network the savings can be incredible and in the area of $50,000)
2. Stability. We had two Sparc boxes running Linux at over 400 days until a power outage. My home server running Linux is running on 105 days or since the last power outage at home.
3. Configurabilty. Even if Windows2000 were the equal of Linux it could not be built specifically to my hardware. On older systems or PDA,s this is critcal and Windows2000 frankly cannot be used. For an office mail or DNS server Windows2000 on a PIII is silly when a 486 would run the whole shop on Linux.
4. Scales down better than Windows as I have stated(to PDAs and cell phones) and Linux will likey go 64 bit intel first and already does 64 bit Sparc, Alpha and PPC. smp seems about a draw but z900 mainframe emulation can put Linux on the very high end as a European Telco has already deployed.
5 OSS. You can change the code as well as maintain binary compatibilty with a smple recompile.
6. Open standards . No vendor lock in EVER
7. Faster . Linux bench marks have shown to it to be faster than Win2000
8. remote access is far easier and the GUI is built into the TCP/IP and a Linux desktop could be streamed accross the network.
9. Loadable modules . Linux does not need to be rebooted to load drivers.
10. Better multiuser capabilty that allows X-clients to launched anywhere to multiple locations with separate user environments.
11. Far superior scripting environment that allows light wieght programs to automate tasks.
12. Works perfectly with Unix datacenters
13. Better file systems such as ReiserFS, XFS and JFS
14. Better security. Linux knowledge easily translates into openBSD knowledge which makes Windows2000 laughable. Even so NT has 3 times the exploits as Linux by deployment percentage and again openBSD completly wipes out Windows
15. Support. You can find support in Linux news groups within hours. Commercial support can be had from Linuxcare to Redhat, to IBM.
16. Linux uses less disk space to basic operations and uses far less for swap.
17. There is a lot more to it. I used to be a DOS/Win95 user in 1998 but after getting burned too many times I thought there must be a better way. Windows2000 is not your OS(read the EULA) but Linux is a community OS. It is your OS.


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Response Number 3
Name: Blair
Date: February 23, 2001 at 17:01:52 Pacific
Reply:

Why would you run Win2K server on a laptop?



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Response Number 4
Name: James
Date: February 23, 2001 at 17:57:41 Pacific
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Windows can get a little boring too. Here is
that ulgy CLI everyone talks about(sarcasm)

http://gtk.themes.org
http://kde.themes.org/
http://wm.themes.org/


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Response Number 5
Name: Robbo
Date: February 23, 2001 at 20:07:40 Pacific
Reply:

James, what the hell do you mean Windows is ugly. I've taken a few quick snaps of My Win98, each to their own opinion but they are hardly ugly. Kinda like The themes you mentioned, only better intergratted, less memory hungry, and they look much nicer.

geocities.com/robk1982

Robbo


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Response Number 6
Name: James
Date: February 24, 2001 at 09:35:05 Pacific
Reply:

Robbo,

I guess I don't know "what the hell" I mean
when I say Windows is ulgy since I never said
it. I said Windows is boring and for me it
is. You are not a skilled computer user and I
understand that. To fully benefit from Linux
you need computer skills and just plain logic
and the ability to read. Linux is just
getting around to the masses and will do so
without insulting anyone's intellegence. If
you give a baboon the Great Books collection
it will not know the difference between
Kant's Critique of Pure Reason and Tacitus
but I do. The piano takes years to learn so I
suppose someone like myself should tell
everyone to just get rid of it.
You are a foolish insipid huckster
selling nothing profitable. The anti-Linux
list of yours was originally taken from the
MS website itself(that I recognized
immediatly) and it was out of date and error
prone two years ago. Unix has as its
underlying philosophy pheonetic language much
like English. We have found English is
complimented by imagery like pictures in a
book but the pictures cannot replace the
written language. How appopriate that
McDonalds has the burgur button on the
register and I consider Windows the MickyD
OS. The GUI works with the CLI for those who
know. But it is clear that you read
infrequently or you would have understood I
said boring.


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Response Number 7
Name: Craig Carrigan
Date: February 24, 2001 at 18:51:19 Pacific
Reply:

Bravo. Well Said.

Craig


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Response Number 8
Name: Robbo
Date: February 26, 2001 at 14:22:22 Pacific
Reply:

And that's the exact reason it will never be widely used.


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Response Number 9
Name: Apple
Date: February 27, 2001 at 14:01:01 Pacific
Reply:

So, Robbo, you're saying that the human race is a pack of baboons? I believe that a fairly large group of people who call themselves creationists would disagree with you and I could send you to a couple interesting sites on the subject, but that would be silly because Darwin wasn't interested in OS evolution.

Or maybe just missed the word (sarcasm) in a previous post because that's just what this is.


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Response Number 10
Name: Robbo
Date: February 28, 2001 at 18:54:06 Pacific
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Apple,
our society has quite a few very intelligent people, but as a race we are essentially baboons yes, although I didn't use that term.
But this being completely unrelated to compuers I won't go on. But i'm happy to dicuss it with you further some other way.

Robbo


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Response Number 11
Name: Joe McNamara
Date: March 27, 2001 at 09:11:38 Pacific
Reply:

You have to be sent to Red Hat Hdqtrs and be deprogrammed . Asimulation is hard to cure.


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Response Number 12
Name: Dark Raver
Date: April 20, 2001 at 16:16:44 Pacific
Reply:

I am not going to comment on ppls inteligence or call anyone names but...

Robbo, on ur site u said that running only Microsoft software on a windows machine lowers the number of crashes. No problem, but Microsoft doesn't make software for everything and what software they do make has third party alternatives that use fractions of memory and cpu power.
and frankly, windows crashing once a week would be a very nice thing, try numerous times a day sometimes!!!
i have linux running on an old 150mhz pc with 48mb ram and its a little sluggish but it is..
a router, firewall, ftp server, web server and i still use it on ocasions using gnome!!
i don't think my new 800mhz machine could do all that using windows!!
and wen it comes to software development there is no compareson!!

Linux is a great alternative that costs not $50 to $150 but around $30, thats right from Red Hat's site and using it for months i still haven't had anything crash on me yet!

it takes time to get the hang of and really gain from what it offers, if all u want is games and word processing stick to windows but for someone who is looking for more out of their pc linux should be given at least a try!!

DR


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Response Number 13
Name: ganesh
Date: August 2, 2001 at 01:00:20 Pacific
Reply:

wanted unique selling points of linux


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