Computing.Net > Forums > Linux > what is Linux

what is Linux

Reply to Message Icon

Original Message
Name: pepperbutt
Date: January 9, 2004 at 18:17:25 Pacific
Subject: what is Linux
OS: Win Xp Home
CPU/Ram: amd xp 1.73 GHz 512mb
Comment:

Some one told me a while ago about this system and i have a couple Q's.

Q1: Is it really free and downloadable from the web? if so where do I find?

Q2: I heard it was easier and better than windows is this true???

Q3: Is this program for some one who knows what they are doing. If so that would really disqualify me so please tell.

FINALLY: am I way off and do not know what I am talking about. Should i be shunned from the pc comunity. Hey this is only what ive heard dont diss!?!! %^@

Oh ya thnx
PeAcE oUt
PEppERbuTT



Report Offensive Message For Removal


Response Number 1
Name: taurus
Date: January 9, 2004 at 18:38:46 Pacific
Reply: (edit)

1. Most Linux distros are free and downloadable from the net. Head over to www.linuxiso.org and take your pick...

2. What do you mean by easier and better than Windows? If all you care about is playing games the whole time on your computer, then may as well stay with Windows since there are more games available for Windows. But if you want to learn what the operating system is and have a full control of it, then Linux is for you! As far as I know, any OS that doesn't start with Windows is the best!

3. Someone doesn't know a thing about Linux can still use it! If you are a beginner, you may want to take a look at Fedora (or RedHat) or Mandrake. But if you just want to check it out or test to see whether your hardware can run Linux, then try out Knoppix or Slackware-Live or SUSE-Live... The whole thing runs directory from the CD so no need to partition your drive or anything. For my money, I would go with Knoppix.

Finally. If you want to learn more about Linux, install it and play with it. If you want to read more about it, go to www.tldp.org (for docs) or www.distrowatch.com for basic info of each distro.

taurus


Report Offensive Follow Up For Removal

Response Number 2
Name: anonproxy
Date: January 9, 2004 at 23:38:51 Pacific
Reply: (edit)

Forget the questions for now. Download the Knoppix ISO via bittorrent, burn it, and boot your PC with it in the drive (might have to enable this option in the BIOS first).

Bittorrent files can be found here:
http://torrent.unix-ag.uni-kl.de:6969/

Before can download with a bittorrent file, get a BT client. Use BT files because they download much faster than a normal download (usually). It works automatically when you open a bt file, just get it installed.

On the download list, select an ISO that has EN (for English) at the end of its filename. The exact one is not too important. Look for the file with more seeders than leechers (under 50 of either is usually best as well). You can maximize your dl speed this way.


Report Offensive Follow Up For Removal

Response Number 3
Name: 92vetter
Date: January 10, 2004 at 21:11:18 Pacific
Reply: (edit)

To answer your questions:

1. Yes there are many versions of linux that are freely available for download on the web.

2. Easier and better than windows? That's a two part questions, easier? NO WAY. I've been working with computers for 19 years and work in IT. I consider myself fairly decent with computers yet Linux is one of those areas that I've just never had time to play with. If you like to just take a piece of software, install it and run then Linux is certainly not for you.

Better? That's a relative term and depends entirely on your usage. Where I work our mail server runs Linux and does so very well. Every single end user machine runs Windows. Of the people in the IT department there are only a few who even know how to run a web browser on a linux machine, let alone configure it into anything practical.

3. Yes this operating system is certainly for people who know what they are doing. It has been my experience that Linux is usually one wrong command away from being completely screwed up. This is not a problem if you have some sense of what you are doing, thus you might could undo what you did wrong.

I'm sure people will argue here that it's a user friendly operating system, which can be true, if you're the right user. Basically linux is more selective about who it makes friends with. Simply put Linux die hards swear by it and think it's a great easy to use system. Understand though that these are people who think nothing of having to work for hours to make one feature work because there is no documentation.

It's a VERY powerful operating system that does have several advantages over Windows for many situations. Unfortunately it's far to hard to configure to ever become mainstream. I enjoy tinkering with it because it takes me back to my childhood before Windows came about, back when computers were used by only those who knew what they were doing.

The fact is that Windows has made computers available to a lot of people who would otherwise have no business dealing with them.

15 years ago the home computer was for people who enjoyed to tinker, it was a hobby. People who had them understood how they worked. Now the comptuer is a tool for people but they don't understand or care how it works. When it doesn't work they would rather find somebody to fix it or replace it rather than learn how to fix it themselves. For that I hate Windows, but it does give me job security for there will always be people for me to fix their problems.

If you want a puzzle and have some time on your hands then certainly give Linux a shot. If you just want your computer to work so you can surf the internet, chat, burn cd's, etc and you don't want a hassle then stick with Windows. Sure in the long term windows might crash more often, but you'll have a whole lot less trouble trying to make things work.

Anybody who argues that Linux is a user friendly operating system really doesn't have a good outlook. It might be user friendly to them, but not to the masses. Most people can't even understand Windows, Linux would be impossible for them. It has it's place and it has it's function. Unfortunately that place is not on the mainstream of PC's. Too many people could never make it work.


Report Offensive Follow Up For Removal

Response Number 4
Name: taurus
Date: January 11, 2004 at 08:29:24 Pacific
Reply: (edit)

First of, "one wrong command away from being completely screwed up" because you log in as root!!! You are not supposed to log in as root unless you install something or fix the system... And if you keep log in as root for a regular use, then your system WILL screw up eventually.

There are sites especially www.tldp.org that contain many FAQs and HOWTOs. And there are books about Linux too. And if you can't find an answer to your question, maybe you didn't look hard enough!

I don't think people in Linux community claim that Linux is for everybody out there. It certainly is for those who are willing to take the time to learn and understand what an operating system is and does. Again, if all you care is playing games, then stick with Windows. I know a few ITs who don't know jack about Linux and think Linux is for hackers.

taurus


Report Offensive Follow Up For Removal

Response Number 5
Name: pepperbutt
Date: January 11, 2004 at 08:55:19 Pacific
Reply: (edit)

Thanx For info
I asked these Q because my friends use it and like it, sorry for saying easy but thats what they said. again thanx!!


Report Offensive Follow Up For Removal


Response Number 6
Name: 92vetter
Date: January 11, 2004 at 13:19:39 Pacific
Reply: (edit)

"First of, "one wrong command away from being completely screwed up" because you log in as root!!!"

Exactly, but take somebody who comes from a Windows background and doesn't truly understand that concept and you can get in trouble really fast.

It's just that sort of "well you should have known that" attitude that makes linux so unfriendly to most people. For my own personal view I'm a gearhead and I look at a LOT of things people do with cars and think "how stupid was that, or EVERYBODY should know that" Unfortunately that's not always the case, you can't assume that anybody knows anything.

You can't just say "well it won't get screwed up if you do what you are supposed to" because people all make mistakes. Usually people don't know that they're not doing what they are supposed to until it's too late. It's a lot like the Monday morning quarterback thing, all the "I would have done it this way" in the world really doesn't change anything after it's screwed up.

I think we can all agree that it's certainly not an operating system for the masses and it's not for those without time and patience. It can easily get screwed up with one wrong move which is just a lot less likely to happen in a Windows environment. On that same token though on a Windows environment you have to work within the constraints of what it will allow you to do.

The ability to change almost everything, the greatest strength of linux, is also it's greatest weakness when considering it for mainstream use.


Report Offensive Follow Up For Removal

Response Number 7
Name: 3Dave
Date: January 12, 2004 at 03:23:11 Pacific
Reply: (edit)

One reason people find linux confusing is that they are so used to windoze. My mother (aged 76) bought her first computer through me (an old IBM thinkpad laptop) and rather than installing windoze on it I thought I'd see how she got along with linux. She is now comfortably surfing the web, word processing, writing emails etc. She hasn't screwed up her system (been running it now for over a year) and it has yet to crash. The only trouble is that she finds windoze confusing and doesn't know how to use it....I suppose it's just whatever you're used to.


Report Offensive Follow Up For Removal

Response Number 8
Name: heart_debian
Date: January 12, 2004 at 11:12:17 Pacific
Reply: (edit)

Nathan Plemons, you've been in this field for too long now to not know that ALL *NIX SYSTEMS ARE MULTI-USER, and you shouldn't log in as root for normal use. This is what I call "standards". There is nothing standard about microsoft windows.
Also, you have spend too much time with computers too not know that LINUX IS NOT AN OS.


Report Offensive Follow Up For Removal

Response Number 9
Name: rick
Date: January 13, 2004 at 11:25:20 Pacific
Reply: (edit)

it's NOT an os, ???

then what is it?


Report Offensive Follow Up For Removal

Response Number 10
Name: anonproxy
Date: January 13, 2004 at 17:20:18 Pacific
Reply: (edit)

This has been explained before. Linux @ Wikipedia.

The moral is that Linux is an OS named after the kernel.



Report Offensive Follow Up For Removal






Use following form to reply to current message:

   Name: From My Computing.Net Settings
 E-Mail: From My Computing.Net Settings

Subject: what is Linux

Comments:

 


  Homepage URL (*): 
Homepage Title (*): 
         Image URL: 
 
Data Recovery Software




Have you ever used OpenOffice?

Yes, as my main suite.
Yes, occationally.
Yes, but only once.
No, never.


View Results

Poll Finishes In 6 Days.
Discuss in The Lounge