At least we're not being suckered into buying an OS thats unstable and full of security holes. Linux is for people that know what they're doing, sure its difficult to learn, but It beats the hell out of that piece of s--- you call Windows. Your problem is that you're too dumb to learn how to use linux, and instead of accepting that you cant learn it because its too difficult for you, you blame linux, go back to your computer your mommy bought you for chrismas and play solitaire and let people who want to learn out of your personal frustration.

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Linux winn NEVER succede as an OS. It is a worthless pice of s---. With MS products, dropping down to the command line has not been nessesary since Windows 3.10 That was 12 years ago! With Linux, you still have to mount and dismout your patritions/ removable media. That went out with DOS. So what if "That was fixed 6 months ago". Microsoft fixxed that problem in 1990 when Windows 3.1 came out. Since then, you have not had to decompress, complile, and run the program you wanted to isntalll, you just switched over to the directory( if in DOS) and typed setup. Ooh, how Fu$%ing hard! When you aree in Windows, all you had to do was to open file manager and click on the fle that you wanted to install. that's really hard for you isnt it? It must be, or else you would have done it yourself. Communists like youself assume because "everyone owns it" it is a better product. You are living in a fantasy. you need to get a life. Linux will never become as popular as windows is! Widnws will stomp Linux back to russia and other communist/totalinarist countires like that. And as for the releses of the "updates" to the various haced versions of the distros, they are a pain in the ass. If Linux people ever expect peopl;e to convert from Windows, you actually have to make it easy for a person to install, that does not mean decompiling the kernal, decompressing the file, running the execuable, and recompiling the kernal. it is just a simple click-click operation. do you think you could handle that, or would it be to "normal" for you? also, you say that you want Linux to become a popular distro. I think you dont. Having somtning that the public dosent makes you feel like your important. Who knows why. maybe your parennts really didnt give a fu*k about you or what you did, so you felt you had to justify yourself. I dont reeally care. Linus is, was, and always will be the underdog. it is for people who have nothing berrer else to do than sit on thier ass all day waiting for you OS to recompile. wow what a life. Cant you find somthing else to do? oh yeah, your afraid of social contact. you think your better than everyone else becaues you can run a 1970's based technology. it is worthless. We have calculators that have more power tham the computer NASA used to put men on the moon. That just shows how primitive Linux/Unix really is. Welcome to the 21st centuary, too bad you still somke dome, listen to Black Sabbith, and wear bellbottems with horn rimmed glasses. you are living in the past. come to the world of the now. MOBILE COMPUTING! and for those of you who think Windows is bloatware, take a look at linus, Windows only comes on 1 CD, while linux comes on several, and sometimes even a DVD. the last time I checked, a 6 CD installation will no doubt take up more space than a 1 CD product. Not everyone needs a C++ compiler with thier OS, not evreyone needs a peril scripting tool, not everyone needs a half assed MS office compatible office suite, not everyone needs half of the bulls--- included with Linux either. Almost everyone needs the functionalty of a basic word processor, a calculator, a web browser, a media player, a messenging client, and disk maintianing utilities. all of which Windows includes. Linux does also, it just goes way overboard on the included packages. Windows is not bloatware, LINUX IS BLOATWARE!!! Computers are not the ize of rooms anymore with punchcard inputs. We acutally have keyboards now! what a modern marvel!! Linux was a joke when Linus whats-his-ass made it, and it is a joke now. and that is how it will always be. Linux is dead, deader than DOS 2.00. Atleast if you were running WFW3.11 on top of DOS 6.22, you would actually have more hardware compatibility. and im talking about with drives supplied by the manufacturer, not by some loser who cant get laid except with his own hand sitting at a computer all day. Get a life, join the rest of the world and let the command line die. With OSX you do not even need a command line, and it is UNIX based, not Linux based. Linux is just a cheap imitation of UNIX. If a GUI on the real thing can do it, surly your fake of it can do it also! ALL HAIL KIING MICROSOFT!!! LONG LIVE THE KING MICROSOFT!! YOU ARE MY GOD!! KILL THE INFIDELS!! KILL LINUX!! KILL UNIX (except OSX)!!!

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Looks like your Windows Spell Checker is broke, better request a service pack.

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OH, and by the way, OSX is not unix based, it is based on the FreeBSD operating system. why do you assume that everyone who uses *nix operating systems is a "communist"? what is a "peril scripting tool"? Patches for problems in *nix variant operating systems are out within hours, not months, as with MicroSoft based products. Becuase "everyone owns it", if "everyone owns it" everyone can help fix it! and finally: THINK WHAT YOU LIKE, IF YOU DONT LIKE LINUX/UNIX VARIANTS, DONT USE THEM! and if you are so true to your buddies at MicroSoft, dont bother watching the movie, "The Matrix": "The special effects in The Matrix were rendered on a cluster of FreeBSD systems."

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Linux community Communists? By the Oxford English dictionary the definition of Communism is: "Social system based on common ownership of property, means of production etc." OK now that we have that straight the layman's understanding of this is: in a communist state there is available one type of car, one type of everything and that it is all controlled by the central governing system and no-one can change it? sound familiar. Now that your poor understanding of English has been highlighted time to correct your misconceptions of linux. 1) mounting You do not have to drop down to command line to mount/unmount partitions/removable devices -obviously you have never used Gnome before. Automounter might still have its problems but you obvoisly do not know the background of why/where Unix was created for. As a result an automatic method of mounting/unmounting is being sort.It is a situation that linux coders are now seeing as an important addition to the system (like Microsoft view on Security!!!) 2)Setup All this rant about setup being soo hard on linux and how you have to always recompile NO. For a completed release. The developers (usually) release with the .tar.gz an RPM version all compiled and all you have to do is open up Nautilus to where the rpm file is and double click on it, Gnome will ask for root's password (just like if you were to run an setup prog on NT4/5) and it is installs -None of this Expert/Dumb arse install, where to install, would you like to read the readme???. If none of this is needed why have a gui???? Also a gui is possible (also of source tar.gz) I am working on a bash-perl wrapper that encapulates a tar.gz source code into one file that is executale - on execution a gui pops up with some choises (installation location, ./configure options) it then unzip/tar, configures makes and installs all automatically with a gui!!! so you can have a gui the point is there is a choise to have one or not. 3)Kernel rant Make it easy to install. My girlfriend is completely computer illiterate so when my win2000 OS kill my partition table (Linux has never done that to me!!!!) and I had to reinstall I let her do linux. The only times I had to intervene was with the partitions (since I have 3 OS's) and when the choice of programs to install was to be done (since my system I choose what I want on there - completely!!!) Hence easy to install! That rant about having to always recompile the kernal - you do not know what you are talking about. A straight out of the box linux distro (Redhat,MDK...) has the kernel recompiled with everything turned on (majority in modular form. Does windows do that, do you even know the benefits of modules?) so the recompilation of the kernel by everyday people is not needed, recompilation is done if you metaphorically wanted to add MOX to a car - not needed, but it certainly make the difference. Anyway the recomiling of the kernel in a 500MHz chip takes about 15min - not that long. 4)Bloated The base installation of Linux can be done in around 65Meg (command line only). Add a lightweigh gui like Windowmaker adds about 10Meg (correct me if I am wrong). Add the gui libs of a big-time gui for prog combatibility (Gnome/KDE one or the other since teh same progs exist for both). Add OpenOffice (~120Meg) - (which is alot better than Office XP Have you used it?), XMMS (for MP3 and MPEG movies). Gimp for drawing. Opera/Mozilla for browsing the net, Everybuddy for all instand messaging. No C++ compiler (if it is not wanted). all for less than 500Meg of harddrive space Not even Win98 could be done in less than 500Meg and that before installing office and art packages (now look at W2K - base installation 1Gig, XP - 1.5Gig) Now who is talking about bloatedness??? When you buy linux you get 3CD's because of all the possible programs that you can install at setup - you do not have to have them all (unlike Window where you have to have exacly what some exec say you were to have - Hang on this sound like communism and you say linux is for communist by communists) 5) Drivers The only reason that (clever) people are having to hack drivers together is because hardware manufacturers write drivers for Windows only (Be there some plot by MS - don't know) At the end of the day could you write a device driver - I don't think so, I am not say that I could (given some time I probable could) The point is I have drivers for all my hardware and they work great (in fact some work better under linux - modem/ethernet) I had to wait a bit, but I am gratefull to those coders who found something that didn't work and solved the problem and then provided the solution to the rest of the world (That is know as co-operation just in case you have never come across it ;-) ) 6) loosers You stating that only loosers use linux and cannot get laid just suggest to me that you have no idea about women to make a comment like that and are just releasing your frustrations on people you don't know - you need some help 7)Choice of OS Here is a question: What use does a farmer have with a TVR if all he needs to do is plough a field? You choose the right tool for the job. If you want to be dictated to how you rcomputer should look/run than that is your choice. I run Linux for the security, reliability and for the configurability. I have Window2000 for those 2 programs that havn't got a full linux equivelent (I did hope for security,reliability with W2K but was sevely dissapointed) My mum has a MAC with OSX, because she does DTP and graphic design. My brother uses Win98 because he is brain dead. Point: what is right for you is not nessecerily right for others. Who are you to say what people should use, that is what communist do! Ignorance is what is making you look foolish here. This is a forum for people who are trying linux to see if it right for them and are finding some brick walls. The likes of me, regal and others are helping them because they asked for help and we can. All you are doing is undermining the validility of this entire site for providing help to people who are having computer problems be it with OS (W9x,W2K,XP,Linux,MAC...), or with hardware or programming algorithms. This is not a place to "chant down Babylon" so to speak it is a place for help. How would you like the next time you went to get medical help from the NHS you were given a lecture about that "you shouldn't skydive then you wouldn't get all those injuries" whan all you want is a cast!!!! J

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Well said, Jon, Android, and Regal. Thank you for not being a DUMBSH!T and an A$$, Donald. To the faceless idiot posting only under the name of ".": I don't care if you don't like Linux. But don't go blowing s--- everywhere about it. All Jon and Donald commented on was the colorfulness of XP, with a mild comment of skinnable interfaces taking MS forever. That was barely flamebait. Get a life. And let me tell you about Capitalism and Communism: You're addicted to Windoze. You can't do anything else. MS makes everyone use Windoze. Dictatorship maybe? You're not forced to use Linux. You're not forced to pay for it. You're free to develop for it for free. "Linux is dead"? Go to a couple Linux pages and see for yourself. I see a lot more development being done than Microsoft. You only have all those webservers running it. Definitely dead. A number of movies are made using it, with several boxes in a "render farm. Dead. "Windows is not bloatware" "Linux is bloatware"? That clearly accounts for that fact that Linux runs faster on my Pentium 120 MHz than XP runs on a new top-of-the-line PC. You don't suck because you use Windoze. You suck because you diss other OSes and make statements that aren't anywhere near true, and because you go into message forums flaming for no reason. Face it. You're so far behind you think you're ahead. When the light comes on, it will blind you. You are just about the most stupid person I have seen on this forum. You don't know sh!t about Linux or Unix, you don't know anything about DOS, you don't know anything about hardware, and you don't even know sh!t about WINDOWS. Go buy a Mac, I don't care, just get the hell out of here before someone takes you seriously.

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To our anonymous "friend"... I'd just like to add something to what these cleaver people have already said. Go get a dictionary (you can use encarta online if you really like) and look up the word STABILITY. Now take that word and place the words Operating System before it, this is one of the many benefits to Linux. Now take the word Mental and do the same as before. Now this is something you seem to lack in a little judging from your posts and I believe you should try and do something about it... Now take Chris's advice and go somewhere else and play. Your not welcome here!

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ALL of you need to get a life and grow up

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Coming from a bloke who calls himself "jesus christ" Not to mention blasphemous!!!

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In Linux, it's not about what you're forced to do, it's about what you CAN do. I can burn a CD or play MP3s from the command line if I want to, but that doesn't mean that's the only way. There are lots of graphical programs, too. Oh, yeah, and if Linux is communism, then GO COMMUNISM! Doing things the M$ way would cost me at least $1000 (OS, compilers, office suite, servers, etc.)

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I completely agree with all the *NIX people... I'm using Windows right now, yes -- but it's so I can access the internet and find out how to get the Cable Modem to work with Linux. I own(?) Sun's "Star Office" (I bought a copy at a computer show -- so I own a CD... SUN owns the program. :) ) I use that on the Linux and Windows OSs -- it was FREE (if you exclude the $2 cost for the CD) -- and I can get the newest version for FREE. Plus it's better than anything Microsoft has -- it actually WORKS! (I've heard people rave about its' ability to read damaged Microsoft Suite files...) Oh -- and last time I checked, Microsoft was selling the BASIC suite programs (separately, I may add) for over $150 each. (Entire suite >$600) As for mounting and unmounting discs, if I have to see that BSOD message telling me to reinsert a CD again..... Linux has a basic command that can be scripted, and run from the GUI -- no problem there. Basicly, I'm going to try to switch to Linux semi-permenantly. (I got addicted to Total Annihilation... ) Once I get the cable modem going, I'll be all set to start out... (By the way -- anyone know how to get the PCX1100U (Toshiba Cable Modem) to work with USB? I don't have an ethernet card, and don't want to buy one unless absolutely necessary. I'd appreciate any info... :) ) -- Jeff ----This post was proofread and spellchecked by ME... as in Jeff... Windows has no way to do spellchecking built into the Explorer, and you can't add functionality easy enough to try to get one in there... and I'm not going to launch another application to write a post just so I know it's correctly punctuated, only to find a word that is spelled correctly, but being the wrong word for the task... like "eat" instead of "east." Just an FYI-kind-of-thing...)

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