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As it turns out, you can download the free version of Mandrake Linux 10.0 now!!! It is kind of fast that the free download came not too far after the actual released of it... So, go ahead and download it away and stop asking where or how you can get it for free...
taurus
That's why it got trashed off my system.
Yeah well, who needs mandrake when we have Slackware?
taurus
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Lol, I know this might start a war, but consider these things:
- Slackware doesn't have a proper package management system at all, compared to the wonderful debian "apt".
- The slackware boot scripts are a joke compared to the sysv (yet simple) debian scripts.
- The whole point of using a distro is the "polished workings" like the package management, otherwise I would put together my own system and use that, but It would be a pain to upgrade each and every package manually from source. I agree slackware makes it a bit easier by letting you download an ISO file every 6 months, burn it and start the upgrade process, compared to the debian "apt-get upgrade"
And after saying this I have a nasty grin on my face ;)
There are 10 kinds of people, those who count in binary and those who don't.
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"The whole point of using a distro is the "polished workings" like the package management..."
Now, there is a big difference between LFS and a polished distribution. Some users simply want a base, stable system. An end user system has a bunch of defaults (configuration and daemons running) and an LFS setup can be a mess (depending on how organized your mind is or is not). Don't forget some people have a job to do and don't have time to play around with either extreme. The whole point of a distribution is a user-kernel interface, and that is the only general statement you can really make about all users and all distributions.
A lot of users prefer Slackware because the system is fairly understandable, traditional, focuses on the shell, stable, and the distribution is good for customization. Above all, people use it because they can, which really makes about as much sense as people in general.
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What the hell are you whining about Slackware? Do you even know there are such things as swaret & slapt-get??? In fact, I used swaret to upgrade my KDE 3.1.2 to KDE 3.2 a couple of weeks ago... And I run "swaret --upgrade" once a week to keep my system up-to-date or install new programs with it. And what's wrong with the boot scripts in Slackware? Just because they don't look like what Debian looks doesn't mean they are crapped. Again, if you want to keep your system up-to-date, just change the "VERSION" in /etc/swaret.conf from "9.1" to "CURRENT" and your system will always be current. Don't have to download and upgrade your system with ISO files.
So, I don't know what you are bitching about Slackware because I can tell you that there are some people around here think that Gentoo is the best Linux distro out there!!!
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Who needs anything (apart from a computer, burner, etc) when theres Gentoo!
Just if I could emerge -u myjob
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I just _knew_ I would get flamed, but this forum was becoming quite boring... Actually thats why I was whining about "our dear old slack".
Btw, by "putting together my own system", I don't mean having anything to do with LFS. Infact I have lots of better ways and concepts to build my own system which the LFS author would probably never have though of.
Slackware "by default" doesn't come with slapt-get or swaret as the default way to install/upgrade does it?
By a distribution, I surely mean "the default settings". I could certainly put a better rc system and package management in slack, but some people don't have time to do all these things, and I really think thats the whole point of using a distro.
But hey, If I don't agree with you on which distro is better, that doesn't mean I'm a total (whatever) does it?
There are 10 kinds of people, those who count in binary and those who don't.
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Oh I forgot, whats wrong with the BSD-style init? Well its an absolute pain-in-the-* to add anything to it. Okay, so I just installed the Postfix mail server, now where in the scripts do I add it so it runs _after_ my networking does, and _before_ some other things? I keep figuring out the right place to add the command... And if something goes wrong in the script, the whole system is unbootable.
The sysv-style init looks ugly and complicated, but its actually a lot more practical, and thats the reason almost all distros nowadays use it. I can easily choose what I want to execute first and what afterwards, and if one script is bad it just won't get executed and the system will carry on.
Another good init system is the Richard Gooch's Init system, where everything is executed after "dependency checking". A similar system is also found in David Parsons' distro - Mastodon Linux.
There are 10 kinds of people, those who count in binary and those who don't.
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"...where in the scripts do I add it...
Simple, in the script that runs when going into multi-user mode (/etc/rc.d/rc.M), after where it runs the networking script and before whatever you want it before.I think that both init ways have their pros and cons. Disabling a daemon starting at boot is dead simple in slack, you just remove the execute permission from the one script, eg:
# chmod -x /etc/rc.d/rc.sendmail
You can still start it manually:
# sh /etc/rc.d/rc.sendmail start
To re-enable it on boot again:
# chmod +x /etc/rc.d/rc.sendmail
Easiser and quicker than deleting/creating links in various subdirectories."...and if one script is bad it just won't get executed and the system will carry on..."
Sounds exactly the same, you just get an error message and it moves onto the next script.Still, if you want to use SysV under slackware, at least you still can (it uses rc.sysvinit for compatibility).
Not flaming....just debating!=o)
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"...Slackware "by default" doesn't come with slapt-get or swaret..."</.i>
It is included on the second CD....
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