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KDE screws up on boot

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Name: linux_newbie
Date: July 21, 2003 at 18:25:37 Pacific
OS: redhat 8.0
CPU/Ram: pentium2 ram: 384 MB
Comment:

every time i go to load linux, all the booting messages say: [OK].

When its time to login (I login through the KDE interface) The monitor screws up switching from stanby mode on and off.
When the screen does display something i catch a glimps of the console (not kde) based loggin.

This problem started after I installed Win2000. Win2000 works fine. I'm loading the linux kernel from the emergency disk since lilo never loaded onto the MBR. That shouldn't be a problem though, because the floppy worked fine untill I loaded Win2000 and the error occours after all floppy disk activity has ceased. I just never got around to loading lilo into the MBR yet....

Any help would be greatly appreciated

linux_newbie




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Response Number 1
Name: 3Dave
Date: July 22, 2003 at 04:10:46 Pacific
Reply:

Try running the X config program again,
under redhat I think it's called
redhat-config-xsetup


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Response Number 2
Name: linux_newbie
Date: July 22, 2003 at 05:43:00 Pacific
Reply:

thnx 3Dave

but how do i force linux to skip the loading of KDE? is there an equivalent to M$s' F5 or F8? The "press I to start interactive starup" doesn't work. Or do i need to use a boot floppy/CD?

Also i was thinking of reloading redhat to fix it. would i loose my mp3s in the /root/desktop/ folder, and will i loose the ability to load into windows (the whole idea behind this linux-windows project was to have a dual boot so i can enjoy windows, while slowly learning linux so I can ditch M$ once and for all)

thnx for any help

Linux_newbie


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Response Number 3
Name: 3Dave
Date: July 22, 2003 at 06:40:48 Pacific
Reply:

You shouldn't have to re-install....if you
do though you shouldn't lose your stuff
unless you choose to format the partitions
during setup. I am not familiar with
redhat, but I did an install of slackware
"over-the-top" of an existing install (a la
windoze) to fix a major problem....and it
kept all my config files intact! You will
often get an "upgrade" options when
installing linux if it detects a previous
install, you probably would want to do
that.

But as I said....you shouldn't need to
reinstall. Do you know about runlevels? A
brief summary that covers most distros:
runlevel | what it is
=====================
0 = halt (shutdown the system)
1 = single user (like safe mode)
2 = multi user
3 = networked multi user (default)
4 = unused (but some do!)
5 = graphical multi user (new default?!)
6 = reboot (er...reboot!=o)

You can change the currect run level with
the init command, eg:
# init 1
will switch it into single use mode.

If you want to boot into a specific mode,
you can pass the parameter at boot time. At
the lilo/grub prompt (if you have a
graphical display and don't see a command
line, try pressing escape) type:
linux 1
This will boot your default image (linux?)
into run level 1 (safe mode). You are then
often prompted for root's password, can fix
the problem and then either reboot or use
the init command.

I would suggest for you to boot into
runlevel 3 ("linux 3" at thr lilo prompt),
log in as root and then setup X. You can
try it out with the "startx" command to see
if it works.

FYI, if you want to change the default
runlevel when your PC boots, edit
/etc/inittab and change the line:
id:5:initdefault:
to
id:3:initdefault:
The above example sets default to text
mode. Obviously do not change this to 0 or
6 otherwise your PC will keep turning
off!=o)


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Response Number 4
Name: linux_newbie
Date: July 22, 2003 at 15:08:19 Pacific
Reply:

well i'm getting progress...

I managed to boot linux using the runlevel method. It seems its Xwindows that is screwing up. I tried your redhat-config-xsetup trick but it got me nowhere. I did a "find -name *setup*" and none of the results seemed to be X related...

I'm going to reinstall redhat but if you have any other suggestions they'd be appreciated for any future inconvinances..

thnx

newbie


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Response Number 5
Name: linux_newbie
Date: July 22, 2003 at 18:56:12 Pacific
Reply:

Thnx dave for the runlevel tip!!!

now i can boot my system and even managed to troubleshoot why lilo wasn't loading onto the MBR... i needed to modify lilo.conf and add lba32 to it.

That said X windows is compleatly dead. if i start the computer without using the boot laoder trick you showed me it just hangs. Nothing works to revive it. If i boot on runlevel 3 then startx still hangs my system, but i can manage to kill the process.


redhat-config-xsetup does seem to exist...

thanks for any help

newbie


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Response Number 6
Name: 3Dave
Date: July 23, 2003 at 01:25:38 Pacific
Reply:

Try one of the following:
xf86cfg
xf86config
xfree86setup
Xconfigurator

Alternatively you could have a look at
/etc/X11/XF86Config(-4) and edit by hand.
Once you have booted and killed off the X
process, type "startx" and look through the
last few lines of output to see why it
crashed. Post it up here.... You can always
look at /var/log/XFree86.0.log too for any
errors.


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Response Number 7
Name: linux_newbie
Date: July 23, 2003 at 08:31:49 Pacific
Reply:

first of all sorry about the double post... i only ment to post the second of the two.

XFree86config works, but didn't do the trick. What did however was a suspecious looking error line in the universe of error lines i was getting. /tmp not enough space.

I remembered i made a backup all my mp3s to the / partition (/root/Desktop) from a dying secondary HD. Everything's fine now except the while fooling around with XFree86conifg I nuked my mouse! O well i guess i'll just have to continue tinkering away...

There should really be warning messages in linux HOTWOs and newbie manuals AGAINST running out of space on the / partition!!!!!

THANKS FOR YOUR HELP DAVE!

Linux_newbie


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Response Number 8
Name: 3Dave
Date: July 24, 2003 at 02:17:48 Pacific
Reply:

That's because you're logging in as root!
You shouldn't do this on a day to day
basis. If you were logged in as an ordinary
user when you made the backups you wouldn't
have had the problem. Linux usually
reserves a little space (1-5%) on each
drive that only root can write to for just
such an emergency.

I personally hardly ever log in as root,
opting for the sudo command instead. It
allows you to run a command as root instead
of having to log on, eg:
$ sudo emacs /etc/X11/XF86Config
On my home computer without a net
connection, I have even set the nopasswd
option so that I don't have to keep typing
in root's password.


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