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I heard somewhere Mandrake was having financial problems. Does anyone have any information on this? It wouldn't be good to be using an OS that doesn't have a future. Also Mandrake is French... don't know if that bothers anyone. Regards.. Dirk
mandrake went chapter 11 last year, its nothing new, that's why now you have to pay for many things. don't know if the situation has gotten worse.
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Yes according to Linux Format Magazine and Linux Juornal things have gotten worse. The fact that they are french has definatly hurt off the shelf sells in the US. Most stores that used to keep Mandrake now dont. Is it because they are broke or french. I assumme the latter.
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so what if they are french? stores don't keep mandrake because it is made by a french company? I do not get you. SuSE is german so why do they keep SuSE? Is US anti french or something?
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Given that Chirac gave US secrets directly to Saddam Hussein (proof in documents seized in Baghdad), France would now be considered an Enemy of the USA. Most countries are anti-USA, and distinctions are not made between the Governments and the Citizens of those countries.
I happen to like Mandrake Powerpack and am waiting for my 9.1 powerpack subscription cd set.
Most stores stopped carrying almost all linux distros, as soon as Windows XP came out. I figure that MSFT told em to drop Linux or you can't stock our products. Another factor, is that retail stores are in business to make a PROFIT. Anything that doesn't sell well, is dropped from inventory. They all have to pay inventory taxes on remaining inventory, each January 1.
They were supposed to have gotten all the pre-orders and subscription sets to DHL last month, and tracking numbers were to follow in a few days.
More than a few days have passed, and I have not heard a thing since then.
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Yea, there not doing so well. Mostly in part because no one pays for their products... they lost alot of money on SNF.....It's that sort of mentality that will assure M$'s reign. I don't like the french either, but that didn't stop me from sending Mandrake money for 9.1...... The whole asking for money to join their club doesn't help matters too much.... Some companies don't have any backbone, like Office Depot... M$ threatened them with pulling all their products unless they only stocked software that has the "design for windows xp" logo on it.... What spineless pricks. Needless to say, I don't buy from them anymore.... Moral of the story, Don't be a mooch and send your favorite distro some money.... And don't shop at Office Depot....
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i didn't realize that linux is a tool of US foreign policy. Until the administration declares that France is part of, or allied with, the Axis of EEful, I will continue to purchase (or at least download) superior products like Mandrake 9.1.
remember you said this when Mandy is gone and Redhat ascends to R$.
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and SuSE (SuSE Linux AG (Germany)) - Germany opposed the war also. and of course, you wont be purchasing VW's or BMWs?
anyone have a list of distro's from coalition countries: Afghanistan, Albania, Australia, Azerbaijan, Bulgaria, Colombia, the Czech Republic, Denmark, El Salvador, Eritrea, Estonia, Ethiopia, Georgia, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Japan, South Korea, Latvia, Lithuania, Macedonia, the Netherlands, Nicaragua, the Philippines, Poland, Romania, Slovakia, Spain, Turkey, United Kingdom and Uzbekistan ??
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Sarissi, I hope that works out. I have read more than a few threads on people sending Mandrake money for services and nothing ever coming of it. The check/money order is cashed but no services.... When I sent them money, I didn't care. I was just paying for Mandrake 9.1 that I downloaded. Tho if they wanted to be apprecieative of it, they would have sent me a subscription to 'Mandrake Club'. They didn't. That peeved me a little. Good luck.
Jon
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Man I am sorry I started the whole french thing.
My Mother is German. The french and russians supplied saddam with weapons. That is what makes them worse than all the other anti US countries. Most of them are just jelues and have been brain washed. Most every country has thier own distro. Yoper out of New Zealand is an excellent distro. Staples and Best Buy still carry RedHat and Suse. So they havent folded to M$.
The moral of the story is to send some money to your distro without expectations of anything in return besides the product you already have.
As far as the US I still think it is time to take our country back from our government.
Because of all the waste and big payoffs by big buisness to make the laws they like.
Enough politics.
I am sorry if I offended anyone that is french or otherwise. But yes Americans no longer buy french products in mass like they used to. Yes balram US is anti french
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By the way. I was in Office depot about 2 weeks ago and they had RedHat 8.0 on the shelf. When did they fold to M$? This must have just happened.
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You say that russia and france sold weapons to Saddam? Well listen up, the CIA put saddam there!
Just like they gave money and stinger missiles to Ben Laddin and his gang so he could fight the "eevil-communist-ussr" who where comming down to afghanistan.
When the Iran was going strong with their islamic fanatism US made sure Saddam was gonna get and stay in power and so there would be a "balance" of power in the area, Iran as a extremist islamic and Irak with a saddam-who-likes-hats-and-american-cars. And of course so they could keep renting the oil wells (what? you thought oil profit was going in the iraki's pockets? think again)
The true reason some US citizen with very little knowledge don't like france is because they were not for an intervention in Irak when the inspections are going well. And were gonna vote against the war at the UN. Of course, UN buisness is to check for those weapons that irak is not allowed to produce or possess after loosing the war in 1991. UN's buisness is not changing regime's leaders at US' will.
Bush said it, his buisness is "changing saddam's regime". He doesn't give about weapons of mass destruction. Dozens of countries have those, the US being by far the one with most. It's all about OIL and MONEY and israel's safety in treating the palestinians like the jews where treated in the end of the 1930ies in germany (yes, checkpoints, expropriation, houses being buldozed, even tatooing for some etc.. you don't hear that on CNN heh).
What we lived 9-11, that day we'll never forget, we made bagdad live that days and days in a row in 1991, (that is why Saddam said after 9-11 "we can send people to help, we got quite some experience in those situations")and did it again this year.
You think Irak and bagdad is full of 40 years old dirty irakies who beats up their wifes? Think again, bagdad is just like any city we have here, with kids and women and cats and dogs. In 1991 a "smart bomb" got women and children even INSIDE a bunker. Can you imagine the horror those 3 year olds and 4 year olds and 5 year olds where livin'? THAT IS WHY FRANCE AND A BUNCH OF COUNTRIES ARE AGAINST THAT WAR, AND NOT AGAINST USA.
Every one likes Mc Donald's and US music and US way of life and US people. They just don't think there is a reason here to drop tons of bombs on civilians. This war is just not justified.
Anyways, getting WAY of subject here.. what I know is that it's true that mandrake is having money problems, and mandrake is one of the best distroes. If mandrake goes down it's gonna be felt troughout the linux communitie. If there's money id' like to put in linux, mandrake would be one of the first ones I would send money to.
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Think I'm gullible look at this:
http://foi.missouri.edu/voicesdissent/iraqmourns.html
'twas what I was talkin' about...
403 people - mostly women and children killed when U.S. warplanes fired two missiles at the Amariya bomb shelter Feb. 13, 1991.
or this:
http://www.ippnw.de/frieden/irak/Medact%20Iraq%20report.pdf
France is not against US... it's against death and suffering of innocents, hundreds of 'em
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I know that the US put saddamm there during the iran contra deal DAH . That is anciant history.
Do you not think saddamm inflicted suffering and death on his own people??Thousands of them.
Personaly I think we should pull our troops out from all of these backwards places and let them fend for them selves. We have thousands of dead fighting men in france so that they have the freedom to work on something like linux and have freedoms to use the internet. What if we had not done anything about hitler. The french would be speaking german right now and so would you probably.
I say bring our boys home let them round up and deport all middlle easterners between the ages of 18-35 and send them back. Dont let them come to our schools and dont let any of them back into our country.
America will never forget 9-11 . And we will make somebody pay. We put timothy mcvey to death for what he did.Sometimes it takes war to make peace.
Of course the Americans are quick to forget they have already forgiven the dixie chiks I have another name for them. We alloww those freedoms. What do you think would happen in iraq if saddamm heard someone badmouth him.
I can tell you head on the chopping block
portchop I take back my apoligy You have made me see the light. I say the US should take care of The US and NO ONE ELSE . The dont appreciate it anyway.
Send money to the distro you use even if its french
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the rating of Linux distribuions according to me, no politics here.
1. Redhat - they have so many good kernel hackers and they put everything back to the community, there are mailing lists and everything is done in the open.
2. Mandrake - The development is done in the open but it seems they do not have enough man power right now.
3. Debian - Totally non-profit, everyone contributing in their free time but still very very well organised. More work is done in maintaining debian than any other distro.
4. Gentoo - They have very few developers but still do a good job at doing what they are here for, to make a distro which is modern, optimized for the users computer and very easy to upgrade and maintain.
4. SuSE - they keep their development to theeselves, and they do not seem to care about "free" software. They carry non-free products like realplayer in their distro even when open source alternatives exist. But even after all that, the user experience for "newbies" is pretty good.
I use what I can call my own distro. It was redhat 7.3, but I removed rpm and its databases, removed the ugly redhat boot scripts and wrote my own, removed the redhat supplied gcc and compiled it myself, removed the bloated kde and compiled fluxbox instead, took every piece of software from it own source instead of redhat ftp server and compiled and upgraded from source. And now I finally have a system to my liking...p.s. Mutt is great.
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The only reason most of those places have any thing to eat is the food for oil deal. I think we should just drill in Alaska for now and let them all starve then we will see who is sufferring.portchop it is you that is ignorant
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The food for oil thing is that people can get food despite the embargo if it gives us oil.
There is only ONE thing starving population there: the embargo. Irakies cannot sell fruits and stuff Irakies cannot get medications and drugs and children die.
Before the embargo Irak was a nice technologically advance modern country.
Since the embargo who's starvint? Not Saddam of course. The children are starving...
The food for oil program is to help starving children get food even though there's a embargo... if you remove the embargo children stop dying.
Why do you think cuba is so poor? Because they spend too much? It's the embargo. Why do you think japanese attacked pearl harbor? They smoke too much drug?? No, children and civilians where dying because of the embargo on Japan.
And if you think Hirosima and Nagasaki was what they diserved we might as well build the death star and change the president's title for emperor George "Palpatine" Bush.
Saddam was bad that is true, just like a dozen other bad leaders in this world, but NOTHING justifies bombing childrens.
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Look portchop lets just call it a draw and forget about it. This is a linux forum. I started it with the French comment I am sorry for that. That was uncalled for an my part. I agrea that bombing children is not right. It is just a sad occurance that happens when dictaters like saddam put military operations so close to civilians.It is not a perfect world we live in if it was there would be no war and no punks breaking into my home etc. Just the same if someone bombs Ft Knox it will wipe out many women and children in Meade Co and maybe even is far away as Luisville KY.
So lets just close the subject. I respect Your opinion. I am sorry about the Middle Eastern comments as well. We cant judge a whole race of people by the actions of a few less we become as bad as the few are.
Take Care
Ron
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