Hi A few days ago I installed the Fedora Core2 and after using it three or four days, I am very much disappointed. There is a big change from Redhat product to Fedora project. I don’t know where the Fedora Community is going to. There are big changes in Fedora Core, some are good but mostly are bad. Now it seems to me that the main object of Fedora is to catch more and more users rather than producing quality product. There is no mp3 support in Fedora Core (since its not there from RedHat8). Most of us are used to listen mp3 songs while surfing internet or when doing any boring work. The Gnome desktop SUCKS!! In the previous distributions like RedHat 7, 8, 9, the startup of Linux was excellent. The startup screen showed every time, what is happening and which services are starting. For example; Starting lpd [OK] Starting kudzu [OK] Starting sendmail [OK] etc. Yes I know the procedure is same, but they(fedora) put a sucking logo at startup. It seems to me that Fedora Community is trying to copy MAC OS. What I remember MAC has the same startup logo-ed type. I hate it. The installation procedure gets some simplification but now we don’t have enough options to play with. What Fedora thinks, are we DUMMIES, huh. The two things which I love most about Linux are xmms and xine. Now what, there is no xine. I though that they(fedora) should add MPlayer but not what they do, they removed even xine. What I learn about Linux is through working in command prompt (bash), I don’t pay much attention to GUI, but now I can work in both i.e., bash and KDE. What I think is that if anyone wants to an expert in Linux, he/she had work in command prompt. There are also many changes in command like there is no “pico” editor, XF86config is ignored in favor of X.org and many more. The question which my mind strikes more is that now how can RedHat handle two types of distributions e.g. RedHat Enterprise Linux and Fedora Core. By using Fedora Core2 for three or four days, it seems to me that Fedora Project is slowly moving towards Windows. What I conclude is that now the main object of Fedora is catch as many users as they can, by Adding amusing graphics and making the Project as easy as for dummies. And now I am seriously thinking about to move some other distro like Slackware. "tarous"!, "audiophile"! answers from you will be apperitated. Thanks. Linux's Boy Friend. "If you want to mail me please remove "hotdog" from my mail address".

Well, nobody is forcing you to use Fedora... But you already know that ofcourse. Both SuSE and Gentoo are each able to statisfy my computing needs. In my opinion Gentoo is one of the best gnu/linux Distro's. SuSE tackles most inconveniences, which you experience with Fedora immediately. An installation procedure which is too simple.... Well, a lot of people think gnu/linux is hard to install. But you can always tune the unoffered options directly through the configuration scripts after the installation.

tell me more about the Fedora and RH different. Because i plan to upgrade to Fedora Core from RH9. Regards

Well, you're entitled to your rant, but just remember a distribution is for endusers. The majority of endusers in the world are non-technical and very much graphical. "The question which my mind strikes more is that now how can RedHat handle two types of distributions e.g. RedHat Enterprise Linux and Fedora Core." Redhat doesn't handle anything except their branded products. Fedora is a convenient development ground. Besides, the Redhat and Fedora products are not amazingly different. Mostly branding. "What I think is that if anyone wants to an expert in Linux, he/she had work in command prompt." True. But most people do not want to be an expert in Linux. "There are also many changes in command like there is no “pico” editor, XF86config is ignored in favor of X.org and many more." You can add pico yourself, so that's a one-time inconvenience. The change to X.org had to do with licensing and XFree86's troubled leadership. SuSE, Debian, IBM, etc. also switched over. Basically, that's an issue much bigger than any distribution. "It seems to me that Fedora Community is trying to copy MAC OS." That would be wise. OSX is the flagship of modern desktop Unix-like systems, mainly in interface. Your example of startup service display is exactly what mainstream users do not care about. In fact, it turns them off, much like techno-babble for conversation. It makes them feel uncomfortable, unwelcome, and feels less smooth. Not that these feelings really matter in sum, but they matter to the user experiencing them. Price, feelings, and features drive consumer choice. There is a large push from advocates to make Linux mainstream friendly. These little touches make the system seem less technical and yes - more like a Mac. "...it seems to me that Fedora Project is slowly moving towards Windows." "... it seems to me that Fedora Project is slowly moving towards Windows." That's what mainstream users want - a better, cheaper alternative not too different from what they already use. "What I conclude is that now the main object of Fedora is catch as many users as they can, by Adding amusing graphics and making the Project as easy as for dummies." I completely agree. Linux advocates rarely mention the controversial changes that will come about from a mainstream product. The first sacrifice is the core (technical) community's preferences.

If you want to see the messages during boot, you can either click "Show Details" or <Ctl><Alt>F1!!! Do you even bother to look at the screen because "Show Details" is right there, in front of you... And if you don't like the Bluecurve window manager, use something else like XFce4 like I do. It's not like you MUST use Bluecurve because you can use KDE, Fluxbox/Blackbox, etc. And have you ever heard of the thing called "yum?" All you need is yum install xmms-mp3 and you can play your mp3 again... And that goes for xine/mplayer! (And as far as I know, you can install those and others with apt-get as well.) You are complaining that FC makes the whole process to simple and you don't like that! But look what kind of text editor do you use, pico!!! Give me a freakin' break... If you are a serious linux/unix user, you use vi or emacs as your text editor, not that simple pico. So, start using vi and then you can whine about simplification. I am not even going to discuss about X11R6 and Xorg because it goes deeper than what you know or understand. And as far as I know, most of Linux distros migrate to Xorg in their new release or so. Again, you don't have to use Fedora Core if you don't want to since nobody is twisting your arm. Go and use Gentoo or Debian if you want to play around with the system (and please don't come back here and whine again on how hard it is to set up Debian). Remember, growth men don't whine; they just go find an alternative...

USAma, While you may not like what is given to you by default, you can customize everything you want. The "pico" editor comes with the "pine" mailer, so you can install pine to get pico. But there is a pico clone called "nano", which looks and feels the same - http://www.nano-editor.org/ Xine, MPlayer and mp3 support is not included because of patent issues regarding mp3, MPEG4 etc. You can easily install xmms and MPlayer yourself. The startup graphics can also be removed, its a service (I forgot the name), you can simply disable it to get the old verbose startup. As I said in my mail to you, slackware is one of the oldest projects to provide a ready to install binary system based on the Linux kernel and GNU utilities. There are not many graphical configuration tools so you should know how to configure your system by hand. Slackware looks and feels a lot like FreeBSD. You might even want to try FreeBSD (which is not Linux) - http://www.freebsd.org Some of the world's largest server systems run FreeBSD, including yahoo, and its equally good as a desktop. Debian is my choice, as it gives me a no-nonsense system to work on, and its the easiest to mentain and upgrade - http://www.debian.org If you want to learn how a unix-like system works, its a good idea to put together your own system from source. Theres a book called LFS which explains just that, eventhough I have a different way to do it - http://www.linuxfromscratch.org There are 10 kinds of people, those who count in binary and those who don't.

Well, i just installed fedora core 2. took some time to get used to. looks nice blah blah blah, but i go to play an mp3 and it gives me the "copy right" BS ... yeah right... whatever. so far fedora is turning out to be a big disapointment... im giving it about 2 more days to see if i can get around these communist blocks on codecs... then its out the window... my advice.. try it... see for yourself... so far im giving it a 2 out of 10. and to tell you the truth RH7.3 is easier to use imho.