Why spend all that time setting up something that is eventually harder to use, doesn't look as good, does less, and has no decent software or hardware support? Don't get the idea that I hate Linux, I use it most days of the week, It's decent when It works, but no way on this earth can It compete Windows 98se, no chance in hell, Win95 is better aswell. James, You will never know why I come here to give talk about Linux, I have decided not to tell anybody. It is probably not what you are thinking though. I think maybe when I'm 60 I will tell you all, by that time I won't need to be on here, it will be by choice instead. s--- Windows will be good in 34 years won't it? Still a fair way away though, so don't expect me to be leaving before then. I'll be sure to rub it in when Linux dissapears into OS heaven in the following years, and to rub it in when MS achieves 100% market share, no company has ever achieved that before, wouldn't it be great for MS to be first? Robbo

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Ha ha Robbo, M$ 100% market share. That day shall never come to pass. In fact M$ seems to be losing clients as people start to realise that linux is very usefull and powerful. Think about this for a second. Looking at a large scale you shall see that users who demand a lot out of their os and are using windows often get frustrated so they step over to linux. Sure they often have a hard time getting it running and learning how to use it. But once they got all that down and become a reasonably experienced linux user they will not go back to Windows and cope with all the problems they get there. The new users to windows mainly consists of people who never used a computer before, because windows is easy to start with. However kids are starting to get familiar with computers at a younger age each day. And the group of skilled computer users is increasing. I've seen plenty of young kids who can make their way around a linux computer just as well as a windows computer. The only difference is what they where taught to use from the start. So if you look at that in a large scale eventually linux will come out as the greater one. Although neither one shall ever achieve 100% market share. The greater the linux community gets the more people will dedicate their time into making linux easy to use. Mik

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It's amazing how a flame war can be regarded as helpful 8P Modem: /dev/ttyS# or /dev/cua# (0 based) setup minicom with /dev/ttyS0 - 3 to find your port. When one works, ln -s /dev/ttyS# /dev/modem CD-ROM: The easiest way is to figure out which link on the IDE chain you put your CD-ROM on. /dev/hda = primary master /dev/hdb = primary slave /dev/hdc = secondary master /dev/hdd = secondary slave If it's a SCSI, see a couple posts above. I don't use SCSI drives. When one mounts properly, ln -s /dev/hd? /dev/cdrom done.

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I created Robbo2 just for fun and to help people when I can. True linux dose lack in office apps but there is more and more software comming everyday, remember linux is still young and growing. True it is harder to set up than linux but I would hardly say once it is set up it dose less, once it is set up and running most people stick with linux and barely use windows any more, as for your remarks about years from now, well linux is basically a Unix clone and Unix has been around for more than 30 years! now I would say that is staying power!! and a new report from Cnet shows that in the server market Windows has 41 percent and linux/Unix make up another 41 percent of the market! and linux's share is growing and with it's growth and Unix's staying power on the server market I would say Soon (1-3 years) unix/Linux will be the dominant one! There is no denying the numbers they speak for them self! even Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer has acknowledged that Linux has become its No. 1 threat! also the report says Windows shipments increased 20 percent, Linux outpaced it with a 24 percent increase which linux is growing faster than windows so I hardly windows will ever have 100 percent market share, Do a little research robbo you might be surprized!

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Ok, Widnows will acheive 100% market share definately on the home users, the Network's may take a little longer, but once my Lawsuit shuts down Linux that will not be around. Yes a few people may be switching to Linux, but no where near the amount buying new computers, and hence using Windows. Most people Dual-boot Windows that use Linux, the fact they are still using Windows counts towards This fact. I must admit though if WinXP minimum's requirement really is going to be 128mbRAM they may loose a bit. It takes competition for a company to wake up. At the Moment MS have been slacking knowing no-one is going to stop them, as Linux is becoming more popular, MS have realised theyt are going to have to work at it, and I have yet to see an , essintially unound product with no real money behind it, conquer over a Multinational with Billions behind it, MS are going to wake up and release some great OS's in the coming years, Win XP is a look to the future, and "Blackcomb" is sounding brilliant, Linux cannot keep up no matter how hard they try. I've had hands on experience with Both, for a home user, How any body can honestly say Linux is better than Win98 is a f---ing joke, it's nothing. Untill they can turn: ./configure make make install into a simple double click for all installs, as well as sort out that mess you guys call a filesystem and sort out that defaning beep when i press backspace it cant go anywhere. Trust me I know these things, If you had any Idea what I do for a living you would realise i speak the truth. Robbo

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I thought you said what you do had nothing to do with computers(you mentioned like that before) True I don't think Linux will catch up to Windows in the home market most home users just want to check email surf the web and play games, Plus windows is already installed so why bother.I really do not think Linux was intended for the avrage home user like that, however many home users like myself love to tinker and try new things and learn new things and thats thats the type of home user who would use linux along with the ones who already know unix or are just techinal in general people like this Love linux and will continue to use it this is however a small market share roughly 3% I think and I honestly don't see it ever reaching more than 10% . I do stick by my comments about the server market and think it will continue to grow Unix/Linux are industral strength OS'es which raerly crash and in the right hands are VERY powerful. Filesystem what do you mean Ext2 dose not have to be defraged constantly like any windows filesystem as for your backspace I have no clue I have never had this problem.

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ROBBO YOU ARE THE WORST KIND OF HUMAN BEING I BET YOU CAN'T CHEW GUM AND TIE YOUR SHOES WITHOUT SOMEBODYS HELP YOU SHOULD BE UNDER A DOCTORS CARE I BET YOU WOULD SUE YOUR OWN MOTHER FOR A PAY CKECK..YOU ARE A TRUE OXYMORON!!!

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ROBBO MAKES A LIVING MAKING BUGERS....ASSHOLE

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as pro-Linux ppl and Robbo wage war, my CD, modem, floppy (and now the printer) continue in their useless state. Didn't mean to start a war, folks. BTW, why don't we all sign our messages by the name Robbo? Wouldn't that be fun? Cheers

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Funny my computer works fine!!!!!!!!!! and you know what I don't have Blue screens of death,forced browser installs constant reboots "service packs" worries about viruses worries about trojan such as netbus and BO2K, needless "upgrades" to fix bug that should not have been there when the final version was released. Way to pricey software and pricey OS'S,Plug N Pray,Web intergration,general page faults, Illegal operations, having to reboot when installing software, VxD errors,ActiveX,forced purchace of windows and everything intergrated into one so when one thing crashes everything dose, low default MTU so I have to get another program to fix it (90% of windows users wouldn't have a clue how to do this on there own). I've got a solid system with uptime in the weeks range, faster bootups nicer interface (in my opinion anyways) I'm able to customize virtually anything I want NO IE5, no virus worries no trojan worries I don't have to be the root user (leaveing me at the mercy of any hacker if I did get hacked with windows if you get hacked the always have access to EVERYTHING) No licences to worry about, It's not my fault robbo you can't get your system working right with Linux! mine runs better than it ever did with windows on it!

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Robbo2, Thanx, but I didn't actualy write that, My CD Modem etc... work quite well with Linux. Funny I don't have those Blue Screens of death, constant reboots, nor do I worry about being hacked or getting virus'. Haven't downloaded a service pack, or an update for win98 actually. Don't have to worry about forced Browser Installs either. Personally Quite Like IE5, very stable and fast, esp. compared to Netscapes latest offering. PnP works fine on Win98, maybe your mistaking that with Linux. WEb intergration is great, I don't personally use it, turrned it off. My windows98 CD has a program to adjust the MTU, MS support it too. I never tried uptime, I turn it off before I sleep, or when I need to iron My clothes. MY job isn't reallt related to computers, though with all jobs these days I need to use one most days. Also that bloody Directory Structure of Linux, how bad can you get? Its hopeless. Once again I don't hate Linux, use it nearly every day. I'd still love to test my computers up-time with someone who only uses Linux, I'm sure I can beat Linux, maybe not out-of the box but with 20minutes tweaking I could kick any Linux users ass, Anyone interested in challenging me email me, you'd simply have to leave your computer on 24/7 untill it needs rebooting or it crashes,i'll go into detail if you email me. Robbo

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YOUR FULL OF s---

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*.*, Maybe I've just got Win98 setup nicely, it takes much less time than setting up Linux, and I seem to get better performance out of Win98. Robbo

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YA I'D TRUST DOING THAT WITH YOU ROBBO ABOUT AS MUCH AS I TRUST MICROSOFT SAYING THAT INSTALLING WINDOWS WITHOUT IE CAN'T BE DONE AND REMOVING IE FROM WINDOWS "BREAKS THE OPERATING SYSTEM" WHICH IS WHAT THEY HAVE SAID AND IT IS NOT TRUE!

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PISSED OFF, I think I know what you are getting at, Yes you can technically run win98 without IE, that does however have some drastic affects on the operating system, quite a number of things no longer work, if this can be classed as "breaking the operating system" i'll leave that up to you, but it certainly leaves you without some of the basics of windows98. Win98 w/out IE is not a polished OS, with it it is brilliant. Robbo

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you both do make good points about this, I personally do not agree with intergrating it with the OS (but thats just me so we won't go there cause some people like it) However I think with a program called 98lite you can run windows without IE, I have never tried this so I don't know how good it works.I however do not see a problem with microsoft shipping it with it's OS I just don't like the intergration part.

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The intergration is nice, infact KDE copies this now(konq browser/file manager). I personally like having a link to computing.net in my c:\ folder to click on, and going to hotmail from my control panel. accessing a website by typing the addy in the taskbar can be usefull as well. Yes a program called 98lite allows you to remove IE from Win98, I think this is what PO was mentioning. This, whle it does work, leaves a disabled Operating system. You cannot access the help files, use the windows tour, windows update, use many features to do with file management, you cannot use Active desktop, IE will run slower, there are a number of things that get permanently affected by it. With that said, you can still use windows to run apps, and access the internet etc... albeit less efitiantly, it will also stuff up the multiple users feature, and can affect the installation of a few new programs, and last but not least, voids any free support from MS, ie... if something goes wrong, even if it is MS fault your on your own. Not being able to Download Critical updates can also leave you with a poorly running machine. Like I said, it does however still work in a sense, Its up to how you take the meaning of "breaks the operating system". It does essentially break it, stuffing up a large amount of features, but it is still usuable to a lesser degree. Robbo

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