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Explorer in linux? + add an HD

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Name: kjorn
Date: December 29, 2003 at 08:44:33 Pacific
OS: Linux Red Hat 9
CPU/Ram: C400 256Ram
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Hi all.

I just discover linux and its great, but hard to change my windows-type mind.

so about that i have 2 questions if some can answer it it'll be great.

1-In windows we have explorer where we can see all the hard drive, the folders and the files. Are they something like that in linux? the only way i find to get something like that its to go to my personnal folder on the desk and get back to the root.

2- and second, i install linux, all went good, but for sure i didn't do anything bad to my data i unplug my second hard drive and plug it back once linux was install. But i dont know how could i have access to it. Bios see it, linux system see it, its in fat32. I see in website i have to mount it. i go in the command line and type the command: mount -t vfat /dev/hdc1 /mtn/data
wich hdc1 what was i saw in the hardware for the hard drive, but i didn't know if i add to add hdc1 (for the extended fat32 hd) or hdc5 for the partition itself. i also add the command line in /ect/fstab but when i boot back it say they are error like too many mounted device.

Like you see linux mesmerized me in spite of i find this OS facinating. Anyone can give me a hand?



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Response Number 1
Name: heart_debian
Date: December 29, 2003 at 10:40:23 Pacific
Reply:

First of all don't call "Linux" an OS, its merely a kernel. An OS is a complete system, not just the kernel. Most of the basic tools and utilities come from GNU so its quite fair to call your OS GNU/Linux as most technical people nowdays do. Or you might call it "Redhat Linux".
Now about your problem,
With a "user" account, you don't need to go anywhere other than your home directory. This is where you have _all_ your files, so this is where everything starts for you. You can add different folders in your home dir to origanize your files. This is different from windows and it may take you some time to get used to it. Consider your home dir. as your "C:" drive.

After you type "mount -t vfat /dev/hdc1 /mnt/data" (assuming you have created the /mnt/data dir.) the windows parition will get mounted in /mnt/data. You can now access it either using the command-line or by entering "/mnt/data" in your file manager.


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Response Number 2
Name: phaedo
Date: December 29, 2003 at 15:22:04 Pacific
Reply:

1) From what you described: That's how it's supposed to work in linux. If you want to look for something specific, use find off "/". Example: I want to find a text file "bob.txt": `find / -type f -name bob.txt`. You don't know the full name? `find / -type f -name bob\*`. Run `man find` for all of it's wonderful options.

And I'm sure there some graphics tools to help you in what you want as well: side panels in KDE and Gnome help you navigate the tree rather quickly.

U/Linux is nice in that I can place additional hard drives wherever I want them off the directory tree. This is a fundamental change from Windows and it's subtely is missed in this reply. Audiophile is right, you want to work in your home directory and not leave files scattered all over the place. (And you never want to use the box as root; you use the box as a user and admin the box as root, there is a difference.) So if you have an extra disk, just mount it in your home directory. Example: on my Windows laptop I have have a D: drive (the second parititon on my hard drive) for my music. I have to make a link from my home directory to D:\music. On my Linux box at home I just mounted my second disk in my home directory:
[16:29:56][ahlstrom@meno:~]
# df -h
Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/hda2 113G 34G 80G 30% /
/dev/hdb1 1.4G 248M 1.1G 19% /home/ahlstrom/music

And I access that disk transparently, meaning: I don't have to know I'm on a different disk when I `cd /home/ahlstrom/music`.

2)it sounds like you're confused what /dev/hdc1 means. /dev/hdc is your hard drive and the "1" is your parition. Well, it could be your hard drive... it's whatever your first device is on your second IDE chain. /dev/hda would be your first device on your first IDE chain, /dev/hdb would be your second. And you can have multiple numbers of partitions (4 primary or 3 primary, 1 extended and however many logical... I never deal with extended paritions).

The error message sounds like you are trying to mount something not there, or something that's different from what you think. Try `fdisk -l /dev/hdc`: This will give you a list of paritions for /dev/hdc and their types. WARNING: 'fisk -l' will "list the partition tables for the specified devices and then exit." So you safe there. However, don't mess around with fdisk unless you know what you are doing! You can reparition your hard drive, which means, DESTROY all data! I give the warning from experience. `man fdisk` before you go into it's depths.

[16:50:22][root@meno:~]
# fdisk -l /dev/hdb

Disk /dev/hdb: 15.3 GB, 15382241280 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 1870 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes

Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
/dev/hdb1 * 1 183 1469947 83 Linux
/dev/hdb2 184 1870 13550827+ 83 Linux

As you can see I have two Linux filesystems on my second device on my first IDE chain, which is a 15 GB hard drive.

I hope this helps.
Mark


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Response Number 3
Name: egkenny
Date: December 29, 2003 at 18:22:19 Pacific
Reply:

In KDE you have Konqueror.
- It works something like Windows Explorer.
- The desktop icon "Home" starts it in your "home" directory.
- The desktop icon "Start Here" also starts it".
- You can also start it from the KDE menu "Home (Personal Files)"
- In Konqueror under the Tools menu you have a Find option to search for files.

In GNOME you have Nautilus.
- It also works something like Windows Explorer but less so than Konqueror.
- The desktop icon "Home" starts it in your "home" directory.
- The desktop icon "Start Here" also starts it".
- You can also start it from the GNOME menu "Home Folder"
- A seperate "Search for Files..." can be found in the GNOME Main Menu.


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Response Number 4
Name: 3Dave
Date: January 5, 2004 at 09:29:00 Pacific
Reply:

If your FAT partition is extended and on your secondary master the device will be /dev/hdc5. hdX1-4 are reserved for the maximum 4 primary partitions, extended ones start at hdX5.


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