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Dual booting WinXP with Linux 8.0

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Name: Syab
Date: November 7, 2002 at 17:40:48 Pacific
OS: Linux
CPU/Ram: !intel P3 500 128Ram
Comment:

Hello to all of u..............

Plz help me out i read whole this page.........

I have Intel 440bx2 motherboard and 14 gb harddisk.........

I have already installed WINXP in C partition
and now i want to install REd Hat Linux 8.0 on my Computer in D: partition .............

But when i run Linux Bootable cd to install it ............. in Graphical Mode it stucks at the biggning of installation and not installing anything.............

Plz help me in detail.............ThanXs



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Response Number 1
Name: Jeremy
Date: November 7, 2002 at 20:42:52 Pacific
Reply:

I just created a dual boot system with XP Pro & RH 8.0. I backed all my Win files up and actually used FDISK to wipe out the drive. I created partition one to be about 75% of the total Laptop HD size (9.4 Gig)So I installed XP first. After XP installed sucessfully, I loaded Redhat into the 25% partition. I installed the GRUB boot loader and everything has been really smooth from there. Good luck.


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Response Number 2
Name: Andy
Date: November 8, 2002 at 04:10:03 Pacific
Reply:

I recently used Power Quest's Partition Magic to partition my 60gig hard drive...now I boot WinXP, redhat 8.0, mandrake 9.0, and QNX.

You might want to make sure your CD is good...and if it is you might want to try doing the text install and see if that doesn't hang.


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Response Number 3
Name: czhou
Date: November 8, 2002 at 11:55:13 Pacific
Reply:

Andy:

Just wanna know how much Power Quest's Partition Magic costs. If it can be downloaded free, it will be even better. I currently have XP installed, and want to install RedHat8.0.

Thanks.


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Response Number 4
Name: Syab
Date: November 8, 2002 at 15:48:52 Pacific
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Thanks for all of u..............BUT my problem is still there the when i press Enter for Graphic mode.........after some lines passes through my monitor ..........it stucks with this line and not going further installation........the line is.....

blk:queue c02e836c, I/O limit 4095MB (Mask 0xfffffff)

Plz help me...........


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Response Number 5
Name: @ugu$tu$
Date: November 8, 2002 at 21:05:41 Pacific
Reply:

that 4095 limit is for one of the FAT formats, can't handle big disks. not sure if that will help but maybe you are making you partition to big or something.

@ugu$tu$


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Response Number 6
Name: Syab
Date: November 9, 2002 at 16:39:23 Pacific
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Thanks for all of u who are participating here and rectifying my problem...........

But as my freind @ugu$tu$ said that do not handle big partition i have 14GB harddisk 7GB for WINXP FAT32 and other is also 7GB only.........

Plz help out why this error message comes...
blk:queue c02e836c, I/O limit 4095MB (Mask 0xfffffff)

Actually i am new user in the feild of Linux therefore........
Plz help me step by step.........I am very thankful to u all...........

Syab.


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Response Number 7
Name: spade
Date: November 10, 2002 at 17:47:29 Pacific
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Hola, el problema puede ser que la boot partition must be up to 2gb not more, you can have a 2gb boot partition and another 40 gb partition for data

espero que esto te ayude

chau!!


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Response Number 8
Name: FACE
Date: November 11, 2002 at 04:31:08 Pacific
Reply:

Please refer to this message # 16136 for helpful insights.


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Response Number 9
Name: Syab
Date: November 11, 2002 at 06:49:24 Pacific
Reply:

Hello..........

R u saying to me that ur Partition which is C:\ for Winxp 7Gb is too big.............

Than what i do to make 2gb boot partition.......

Plz expalin in detail.........Please i am waiting....


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Response Number 10
Name: FACE
Date: November 11, 2002 at 19:50:46 Pacific
Reply:

Defining a Primary Partition in a hard drive means allowing the BIOS to understand where exactly initialization files are and where to locate this information, to read from it, and finally launch the operating system of your choice.

If both OS's fight for the primary partition (the partition containing the boot and initialization files of an operating systems) there is a conflict...or better said an limitation.

The exact technical info I owe you regarding which is the limit.

That is, if you want both operating systems to dual boot from a single hard drive it is important to keep in mind that both OS's will share the same master boot record (residing in the first sector of your hard drive's primary partition... your C:\ drive in Windows).

I believe that boot records placed beyond the 1024 cylinder of a hard drive gives the trouble when dual booting. Which is the case you are facing with your Linux.

Making the primary partition 7GB's will exceed the 1024 cylinder limit that, in other instance,making it smaller, would've allowed the second operating's boot record to be detected by the BIOS in the first place.

That is why I recommended in that message(#16136) to plan your hard drive partitioning scheme first.

First 2-3 GB's for your windows, the next 50-100Mb's to place the /boot linux partition in the same (C:\) Primary Partition.

Please refer again to the original message to review details on how to achieve this.


PS- You may cacth me at this place very often www.zonai.com/chat channel #maduritos
if need help on real time.

I am gonna refer you too to this message#16103 for another interesting configuration tip.



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Response Number 11
Name: FACE
Date: November 11, 2002 at 21:08:16 Pacific
Reply:

Please refer also to this message # 16217


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Response Number 12
Name: Syab
Date: November 12, 2002 at 06:19:27 Pacific
Reply:

First of all thank u very much for answering my quetions............but please tell me about this line in detail.........First 2-3 GB's for your windows, the next 50-100Mb's to place the /boot linux partition in the same (C:\) Primary Partition.

What i understand is that u are telling me to format Winxp and then make only 2 GB for WINXP not 7GB and then again make 50 or 100 MB partition on again C:\ drive ..............Question is how is this possible that two partition on a same C;\........and give me other idea to save also my WINXP...........Thanks



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Response Number 13
Name: FACE
Date: November 12, 2002 at 11:55:54 Pacific
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Ok I understand your point, and the answer is yes. This is how I've been able to dual boot without the aid of third party software, so it does not necessarily means it is the definitive way of a partitioning scheme.

What I am suggesting to you is to fdisk and format from windows first.

From the windows fdisk program you are going to be able to choose the size of your primary partition for C:\

When prompted by the program if you want to use all the disk space available you choose no and enter the amount in GB's for that primary partition, which if following this example would be lets say 3GB's.

The detail here is to keep in mind that later you are going to have the opportunity to make an extended partition directly from the Linux installation program (your D:\ drive). Here you will assign the remaining 4GB's to make your extended D: partition.

So when you finally have your windows setup, and jump into linux fdisking process you have the opportunity to partition the remaining free space as you want.

Your confusion may come at first from the notion that a primary and extended or logical partitions (for a windows environment) need to be contiguous in a single hard drive, the answer is not always.

What have to be contiguous is the /boot partition for linux placed in the Master Boot Record of the primary partition... the C:\ drive in windows.

The important detail here is that the boot record for both operating systems will reside in the primary partition. Which is your main goal...to dual boot successfully.

Creating extended partitions are also important but can be placed anywhere else on the hard drive since they are just extended... extra space to store data and some prgram files, but not core operating system files that have to be mounted specifically in a primary partition by default.

You are gonna see C and D drives perfectly from My Computer in windows and from your Home Directory in Linux following the advice I am pointing out to you.

An example of how my hard drive would look after I 've done all the windows fdisking, format and installation process of Windows while working with Disk Druid would be similar to this (this is just an example the numbers are not real but just to give you an idea of how it should look):

Device Start End Size(MB) Type MountPoint

/dev/hda1 1 350 3000 NTFS /dosC
/dev/hda1 350 400 100 ext3 /boot
/dev/hda2 400 750 6500 ext3 /
/dev/hda3 750 800 128 swap
/dev/hda4 800 1024 4000 win95FAT32 /dosD


**NOTE- The art involved in this tip is to keep track of the steps you are following when fdisking with Linux.



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Response Number 14
Name: syab
Date: November 15, 2002 at 02:43:32 Pacific
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Hello to all of u......................

Here i am telling u increadible story as i said earlier in my messages that i want to install Linux 8.0 in my 15Gb Quantum Fireball harddisk and this message came out at the bigning of installation .........


Somebody said to me that u have Promise ultra DMA66 and may be this is the hurdle of it but another person advise me to install it on my harddisk............... than i borrow his 40GB Maxtor harddisk and starting to install Redhat linux 8.0 with a same CDs which i have earlier ..............On his harddisk he has WIN98 on 8GB and other d:\ is 10GB and the other harddisk is empty.....................

You people surprised including me that installation is start working with no error messages............

Then i go to Redhat.com\support\hardware site where i check the compatibility of my Quantum 15 Gb harddrive and i even more surprised that my hardisk is there in there passed hardware or u can say recommended hardwares list..............

The other amazing thing which is very laughing is that many people on this forum asked and write many times that u must 2 to 3 GB partition only on ur harddisk before u install Redhat Linux i do not know why they write that may they have no knowlege of that or some other thing......................:)....................i install it with win98 with no problem..............

Amazing...................bye bye............


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Response Number 15
Name: FACE
Date: November 16, 2002 at 06:37:59 Pacific
Reply:

Very different ending though from that one, when you initiated your quest for help in the forum.

I belive the problen you broght up had to do originally with XP and Linux trying to coexist in a same master boot record?

Is nice though, you encountered finally a solution through your own gatherings.

Installing in a hard drive is no problem... making installations to Dual Boot is (at times)...

Were you able to dual boot finally? (that is without using any boot disks to launch your Linux)

Now I'm curious. Cause I've been able to triple boot between Linux, WindowsNT 4.0 and 98 on a single 3GB old Quantum hard drive using a PC with an 1995 AMI BIOS... with no problem.

Were you able to view/read/write your windows partitions from Linux?

... "Plz help me in detail.............ThanXs.... I'm waiting"


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Response Number 16
Name: syab
Date: November 18, 2002 at 23:03:04 Pacific
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Hello to all of you specially u FACE..........

I tell u the whole story that how i eventually install RedHat Linux 8.0............
I get back harddisk of my freind not install Whole Linux on it i just cancel installation in the biggning..............and realize that my Promise Ultra DMA66 making errors for me.................

I tell u Step by Step installation 100% worked on my computer............>>>>>>>>>>>>

First on my 15GB Quantum Fireball Harddisk i install WIN98 on 7100GB..............the other partition is empty and then i install RedHat Linux 8.0 on that Free Space with LILO...........after installing it..............i get back to my Win98 and install WinXP Pro just upgrade my Win98 thats it...................:)

Answer of ur question is no............. i cannot saw WindowXP FAT32 partition from Linux not even read or write on it..............

Some people said to me that make 1GB VFAT partition for this purpose ..................u try it than tell me...........

At the end i want to thank u again for ur replies on this forum.............and if u like to catch me on messanger than write this my email for u lovesspirit@hotmail.com............this is only for girls but i think i use it now for boys too.........

Syab.


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Response Number 17
Name: FACE
Date: November 20, 2002 at 17:08:39 Pacific
Reply:

Hey that's really nice install method. Good to know.

I was checking for some references about that... When one install Linux to dual boot with an NTFS partition , the NT boot loader is not compatible with LILO in the master boot record.

I may assume that may be part of the problem with XP's new FAT32.

In any case, I don't know really if this tip should work but according to my reading it is used when workin around Win2000 or NT with NTFS partitions to dual boot with linux:

Am gonna include it here:

"...If, however, NTFS is the file system that you use, the NT Boot Loader is not compatible with LILO in the Master Boot Record. This means that LILO must not be installed in the MBR or the Microsoft operating system won't boot. To get around this situation, install LILO in the root partition of Linux and on a diskette. Complete the installation of Linux and reboot the system with a diskette that you used to boot Linux. After you are in Linux, use the following commands to copy a binary image of the boot sector to a blank diskette:

mount -t msdos /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy

dd if=/dev/hda5 bs=512 cout =1 of=/mnt/floppy/linux.bin

Then, remove the floppy and reboot the system into Microsoft Windows NT or 2000. You will need to edit the file boot.ini at this point. Open boot.ini in a plain text editor such as notepad, and add the following line:

c:\linux.bin="Linux"

Save the file boot.ini and exit the text editor. Then copy the file linux.bin from the floppy to the to the HDD in the root directory of the Microsoft Windows HDD. This allows the startup menu of Microsoft Windows NT or 2000 to display the Linux line and gives it the linux.bin file, which contains directions detailing where to boot this operating system. This should allow Linux to dual-boot with Microsoft Windows NT or 2000."

I hope this can share more insights.

On the other hand, in order to be able to view/read/write your partitions from Linux, you may need to label your windows partitions from the Linux fdisk program...during installation.

With Disk Druid is easy to do this. You can use the "Edit" option in order to label the windows partitions , for example, /dosC, /dosD , etc.

When installation gets done, you are going to be able to see your windows file structure completely from Linux.

PS - Info taken from Linux+ Certification Bible by Trevor Kay
ISBN# 0-7645-4881-6


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