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Name: worx
Date: August 16, 2005 at 17:23:13 Pacific
Subject: won't recgonize 2nd hard drive
OS: windows xp pro
CPU/Ram: amd xp 1900+ / 512 ddr
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My computer won't recgonize my 2nd hard drive. But it will recognize my 1st drive set as master. I tried connecting it to master but it won't boot up. I need help please. Thanks


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Response Number 1
Name: jam
Date: August 16, 2005 at 18:36:45 Pacific
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How many devices? 2nd HDD should not be paired up with the 1st. It should be on the 2ndary channel. If it's by itself, it would be the master, if it's with an optical drive, it would be slave. Don't use cable select.

ASUS A7N8X-X
Athlon XP 1800+
8.5 x 200MHz
1024MB PC3200 2.5-3-3-7
Asus A9550GE/TD 128MB
WinME/WinXP Pro SP1


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Response Number 2
Name: worx
Date: August 17, 2005 at 00:18:16 Pacific
Reply: (edit)

what do you mean how many devices? And what is secondary channel?


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Response Number 3
Name: jam
Date: August 17, 2005 at 06:22:54 Pacific
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"what do you mean how many devices? And what is secondary channel?"

Are you serious??

There are almost always two IDE channels on a motherboard...a primary channel & secondary channel. They can be labeled as IDE-0 & IDE-1, sometimes IDE-1 & IDE-2. Each channel supports 2 drives (or devices)...a master & a slave. So you can have 4 total devices:

primary master
primary slave
2ndary master
2ndary slave

The IDE configuration is different depending on how many devices you have & what they are. Here's some general recommendations:

2 devices:

primary master = HDD w/OS
primary slave = none
2ndary master = optical reader or writer or 2nd HDD
2ndary slave = none

3 devices:

primary master = HDD w/OS
primary slave = optical reader
2ndary master = optical writer
2ndary slave = none

3 devices:

primary master = HDD w/OS
primary slave = none
2ndary master = optical reader or writer
2ndary slave = 2nd HDD

4 devices:

primary master = HDD w/OS
primary slave = optical reader
2ndary master = optical writer
2ndary slave = 2nd HDD

ASUS A7N8X-X
Athlon XP 1800+
8.5 x 200MHz
1024MB PC3200 2.5-3-3-7
Asus A9550GE/TD 128MB
WinME/WinXP Pro SP1


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Response Number 4
Name: ham30
Date: August 17, 2005 at 08:51:45 Pacific
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If you only have one channel and/or you insist on connecting both drives to the same cable, make sure the second hard drive is 'correctly' plugged as the 'Slave'.


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Response Number 5
Name: ham30
Date: August 17, 2005 at 08:54:10 Pacific
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If the second hard drive is larger than 137gb, your bios may not support it. Check:

www.48bitlba.com


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Response Number 6
Name: worx
Date: August 17, 2005 at 13:31:20 Pacific
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hey, thx for the reply...
i have 3 devices:
1. HDD with 0S
2. HDD
3. DVD+/- RW Burner

So how would i connect it?


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Response Number 7
Name: ham30
Date: August 17, 2005 at 14:36:58 Pacific
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Main HD as Master on cable #1
Second HD on cable #2 as either Master or Slave.
Where you put the DVD drive depends on which drive you will be burning from the most. You want it on a different cable then the drive you burn from most.


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Response Number 8
Name: worx
Date: August 17, 2005 at 18:59:35 Pacific
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hey i set my second hard drive on cable #2 as slave. But when i go to my computer and right cilck and properties my 2nd HD it shows it as File System : RAW and the total capacity is 0 bytes.


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Response Number 9
Name: ham30
Date: August 17, 2005 at 20:03:23 Pacific
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Oh Jeez, WinXP and the old 'RAW' drive thingy. That problem shows up every once in a while. Sometimes the problem goes away and the drive turns out to be OK. I think it's a WinXP bug. I've suggested before to try physically disconnecting the drive, rebooting, power off and reconnecting the drive. I haven't heard back if that works or not.
Maybe someone else has an idea.


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Response Number 10
Name: ham30
Date: August 17, 2005 at 20:08:15 Pacific
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That isn't a new drive is it? If it is, you have to format it.


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Response Number 11
Name: worx
Date: August 17, 2005 at 22:17:19 Pacific
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Hey i tried reconnecting it and it still doesn't work. And no it isn't a new drive. It has a lot of data on it.


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Response Number 12
Name: ham30
Date: August 18, 2005 at 08:29:09 Pacific
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If you find a fix, please post it here.


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Response Number 13
Name: ham30
Date: August 18, 2005 at 11:51:33 Pacific
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Do a search (top of the screen) in the WinXP forum for 'raw' and you will see dozens of problems with 'raw' HDs. You might want to look at these in particular:

http://computing.net/windowsxp/wwwboard/forum/84309.html

http://computing.net/windowsxp/wwwboard/forum/88629.html

Here are some recovery programs suggested:
Disk investigator
http://www.theabsolute.net/sware/dskinv.html
PC inspector
www.theabsolute.net/sware/dskinv.html
http://www.pcinspector.de/file_recovery/uk/welcome.htm
http://www.partition-recovery.com/


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Response Number 14
Name: ham30
Date: August 18, 2005 at 18:20:13 Pacific
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After doing some more investigation, it sure looks like this 'RAW' problem is a bug in the NTFS. I found lots of failures in Win2K and NT as well as WinXP, but none in Win9X (FAT32) systems.


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Response Number 15
Name: worx
Date: August 19, 2005 at 00:16:03 Pacific
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Hey i did a search and looked for the RAW problem. My hard drive is split into 2 drives such as drive F and G. Still can't figure out how to exactly fix it.


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Response Number 16
Name: ham30
Date: August 19, 2005 at 10:37:24 Pacific
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One suggestion that I ran into that seems worth a try is to use the 'Recovery Console' and run 'FIXMBR'.

You might also checkout what was done in:
http://computing.net/windowsxp/wwwboard/forum/84309.html

The only other thing I could suggest is to try one of the data recovery programs suggested in response #13.
Also, Ontrack has a great recovery program:
http://www.ontrack.com/


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Response Number 17
Name: worx
Date: August 20, 2005 at 16:56:30 Pacific
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Hey ham do you know how to run these data recovery programs? If so, could you help me? And which one is the best to use?



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