Why has no one invented crash proof laptop

Hewlett-packard / Dv2046tu
August 11, 2010 at 01:21:33
Specs: Windows XP home edition
My Hp dv2046TU laptop is not booting even by pressing F8 and selecting to boot in safe mode or any other mode it it not booting only.I have already tried all possible methods given on internet please give somthing which works.why still no one is able to invent crash proof laptop.

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August 11, 2010 at 04:28:45
why still no one is able to invent crash proof laptop

For the same reason that no one has yet invented a motor car that never breaks down.

To answer you question a bit more information is needed. Wont boot is not enough. There are many reasons why a computer wont boot, What errors or symptoms do you get.

The fact that you can get to a position where you get the option to book into safe mode would indicate that the hard disk and the rest of the hardware is working fine, Therefore is is probably a software problem which may need the re-installation of the operating system.


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August 11, 2010 at 04:29:56
For the same reason no one has invented the perfect PC user.

Many problems are due to user error.

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August 11, 2010 at 04:30:56
Why can't anyone invent an unsinkable ship?? Oh they did last century.

Called it Titanic.

Now as to your laptop problem it seems you are saying it will not boot the operating system. That differs from saying the machine will not boot.
Can you boot up into setup?

If you can get to there but not into the operating system then the first thing that springs to mind is hard drive corruption

Do you have an operating system install disk?

Goin' Fishin' (Some day)

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August 11, 2010 at 05:24:36
A large proportion of computer problems could ultimately be traced to hardware problems. If they wished, hardware manufacturers could build a computer that was far more reliable and last much longer. But the home computer market is highly competitive with price being a prime consideration. The price of such a computer would be prohibitively expensive and it would never sell (at least not to a home user). Because of market considerations manufacturers are forced to sell cheaper and inevitably less reliable products.

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August 11, 2010 at 05:38:48
Because of market considerations manufacturers are forced to sell cheaper and inevitably less reliable products.

The same goes for motor cars. Not many would be prepared to pay the price of a Rolls Royce.


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August 11, 2010 at 05:45:55
Hey Stuart ...

Not many would be prepared to pay the price of a Rolls Royce.

Are you saying Rolls Royce is breakdown-proof?


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August 11, 2010 at 06:44:27
Im sure I could break down a Rolls!

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August 11, 2010 at 07:22:28
Are you saying Rolls Royce is breakdown-proof?

More so than most,

Changing a spark plug yourself could invalidate the guarantee. RR prefer you let them so it. Keeps it away from incompetent mechanics.


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August 11, 2010 at 08:00:11
Going back to the dependability issue. If hardware were hardened to last longer the hardware would still become obsolete in a short period of time.

As hardware becomes faster, programmers find ways to utilize the extra cycles. Eventually older hardware wouldn't be able to perform acceptably using current apps and the internet as it would be.

So, unlike cars, I prefer to pay less and replace more often. The catch phrase used to be TCO (Total Cost of Ownership).

I will repeat what I stated above. Many, if not most, issues are user related. I have Slot A Athlons still running flawlessly. Hard drives 10 years old and still trucking.

Laptops are an exception to this general rule, IMO. Consumers have demanded more power from laptops and the marketplace has forced the manufacturers to make compromises in the unit.

Running components they know will overheat and fail if used continuously, for instance. Someone here just yesterday wanted to upgrade the CPU in a laptop. This is just asking for trouble. Laptops have replaced desktops as general purpose machines. They are NOT general purpose machines. Enough said.

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August 11, 2010 at 08:06:01
In my request for help from you all i have mentioned that "I have already tried all possible methods given on the internet by so many smart people please give somthing which works." but still I am getting what is not solving my problem. By saying " why still no one is able to invent crash proof laptop." I was trying to bring it to notice that many peoples are facing similar problems may be due to lack of knowledge but if the product is robust then even mishandelling will not make any difference.Why don't they manufacture lap-top with two separate hard disk. one small hard disk for O.S and the other with easy to remove facility for persons own data so that in case of crash/fault the Hard disk with data can be connected to other PC by using USB adapter and at the same time the faulty PC/laptop can be send for repairs without fear of getting data deleted.
Please be informative because I thought that good IT experts are here.

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August 11, 2010 at 08:12:22
There are laptops made with two hard drives. There are also many hardware items you can use to BACKUP your data. If personal data is important to you then you should always maintain at least two copies of the data.

Everything can and will eventually fail. Not recognizing that as fact and acting accordingly is the problem.

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August 11, 2010 at 08:17:10
Why don't they manufacture lap-top with two separate hard disk.

There is absolutely nothing to stop you from doing that yourself if that is what you need. USB enclosures are very cheap.

Any kind of machinery is going to break down if it is misused. You cannot expect manufactures to built their machines so that even the most clumsiest of users can't break it. Not possible.

If you understood what actually goes on inside a computer when you press the power button you would be amazed that it actually works at all. Timings down to a few millionth of a second. Tolerances less than the width of a human hair, Temperatures, that if left uncontrolled, would melt copper. Quite amazing really.

As for getting data deleted, there is a well known principle in computer technology called backups. Ever heard of it?


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August 11, 2010 at 08:18:43

The "experts" here asked you for more information too, like what do you see, hear or smell (anything burning, do you see flames?) when it tries to boot? Are there any flash codes, noises, error messages on the screen, what LED lights power on? What is the exact Make/Model No. of your system. Remember, troubleshooting hardware issues over a BLOG is difficult enough without end users providing the necessary information for proper troubleshooting. Then, no one can assist you.

As far as crash free laptops, well, that's just too idealistic. Human bodies aren't even crash proof, and they were designed by a GOD.

All I"ll say on laptops, is what I have been telling people for years - laptops suck! They are made to be obsolete in 3-5 years to make $ for the companies that make & sell them! Period! Otherwise, they'd last for 10 years and be upgradeable every three years with the fast changing design modifications.

Laptops do not last, the small HDDs are NOT durable, motherboards aren't made very well, you have to backup your data and use power management to save wear & tear on the systems. You have to keep them elevated and cool, avoid bumping and jarring the unit, you really have to baby them. But, people don't listen to me though, they only pay attention when they break down. Then it's too late.

But, with that said, I have like 8 laptops, 4 decent ones, they ALL work for the most part - some work better than others, but only because I am familiar with laptops, how they work, their anomolies, what precautions to take etc. One big precaution I take - I DON'T BUY NEW LAPTOPS! I find broken ones, fix them, then when/if they die, get another used laptop. New laptops are one of the biggest tech ripoffs out there today!

Just another stupid saying...

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August 11, 2010 at 08:26:51
myfuture wrote (in Post 10) ...

In my request for help from you all i have mentioned that "I have already tried all possible methods given on the internet by so many smart people please give somthing which works." but still I am getting what is not solving my problem

You still have not responded to the questions asked by Richard59 in Post 4. Giving "somthing which works" isn't always possible in every situations.


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August 11, 2010 at 08:28:50
As hardware becomes faster, programmers find ways to waste more cycles. Eventually older hardware wouldn't be able to perform acceptably using current apps and the internet as it would be.


Back on topic, if the computer will not boot, ie it goes to the windows startup screen and restarts. Simply insert a Windows XP boot CD, boot off the CD. Let the windows installer load until it asks you to launch the repair console by pressing "R". Press R, let it load to a command prompt, select the "C:" drive. enter this command:

chkdsk c: /p

let check disk run, then after it is finished, type "exit" and restart.

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August 11, 2010 at 12:44:41
They do make crash proof laptops. They are embedded systems. Ones that ran mobile or CE or some linux based that boot off a ram is about the only way.

Why did it take me over a year to phone in a problem to ATT?

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August 12, 2010 at 11:26:33
Not entirely true Jefro, while embedded systems have less (or no) moving parts than PC/Laptop systems, they still use software that runs on hardware, which is powered by electricity which can fail as well. My old embedded system - a Palm Treo use to hang up & crash, dropped calls etc. It lasted 6-7 years though before I got a Blackberry.

I have worked on some embedded machine controllers too - Seimens, Mazak, GE etc, they die as well.


Just another stupid saying...

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August 13, 2010 at 01:09:28
Dear al smart IT experts by saying "CRASH PROOF" means not physical crash I was saying about software of O.S to be robust in such a way that even by browsing diffrent site it should not become currupt and stop booting ON only.
I THANK you all for your time given but still no one has given me a simple solution and has been concentrating on one prase "CRASH PROOF"!!!

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August 13, 2010 at 03:50:06
We use the term CRASH PROOF because that is the term you used.

Crash proof software is even more of a pipe dream.

Many years ago when I was learning about computers, the instructor was telling us about software testing. He went on to say that testing software so that you can guarantee there it will not crash is impossible in any reasonable time frame. The best you can do is probably free from errors.

He then went on to explain mathematically, talking into consideration everything could go wrong, that it would take many, many years to test most applications thoroughly. Even software that has been in use for many years without showing any signs of problems cannot be guaranteed.

The nearest you will get to crash proof software is the real time software used to control aircraft. That uses software and hardware built from the ground to eliminate errors.

Even then things can go wrong. The European Airbus crash at the Paris Air Show a few years ago. It was doing a demonstration low pass in a landing configuration. At the end of the pass it was supposed to open the throttle and climb away but the software though differently and landed the aircraft in the middle of a forest, killing three,

One of Mars explorers crash landed on Mars recently which turned out to be a software problem.

A couple of years ago the Arian rocket went out of control and had to be destroyed a few minutes after lift off.

All these failures were down to software error. So if they cannot get it right, what chance has something designed for the consumer market.

As for a solution to your current problem, you expect miracles, miracles that can only be realised with the help of a crystal ball. As decent crystal balls are hard to come by these days there will be no miracles today,


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August 13, 2010 at 09:50:07
Below is an example of my statement about user error.


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August 14, 2010 at 21:03:16
I posted my problem to get help but instead I was asked many questions which where self explanatory in my query only. I was told that it must be my fault of misusing laptop hence it must have stopped booting!!! after much confusing and non productive instructions.
I gave a thought that there are many different ways to reach the final destination then way I should follow suggestions of IT smart experts heads who cannot think out of the box.
Hence I did following things
I removed my faulty laptops hard drive and inserted into portable hard drive casing then connected it to my working netbook. In this net book i was having avast anti-virus by using this anti-virus I scan the faulty laptops hard drive connected externally by USB .Avast detected some threats which I moved to the chest,Then as a precautionary measure I moved my important personal data to net book, then I reinstalled the original hard drive into its original laptop which was previously not working.
The result was the faulty non booting laptop started working.
So dear all now it is clear that if your laptop stops to work first of all before sending for repairs and putting your data at risk of being erased just remove the hard drive instal it in the portable hard disk casing and connect to any other working PC/laptop scan for security check then transfer the important data. Reinsert back to its original place check if it is working or not .
I really appreciate those who had defended for not inventing less trouble making laptops and giving environmentally unfriendly suggestions as keep your data in separate removable hard drive. If as per my idea had this laptop two separated disks one for operating software and other for personal data then I could have just removed my personal data disk and send the faulty laptop for repairs without any tension of losing my saved information. But the IT smart expert heads where just supporting the manufacturers or giving excuses of product becoming expensive do you think that there are no buyers for worry free laptops!!! If the price is the issue then why new products are coming with new features and more price. Just an extra info I am from INDIA and we Indians are more inventives and environment friendly. I solved my problem by using my brain and my resources without buying anything this method of solving problems is unique to all Indian's we call it JUGAD ( solving problems by using existing resorces)
But I still thank all those who had given time to try solving my problem.

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August 14, 2010 at 21:25:04
Oh dear, Oh deary, deary me.

The problem is myfuture, you could see what was happening, we couldn't. We were left to guess and I stopped playing guessing games when I was about twelve years old. Of all the questions that were asked you answered non of them, rendering the whole thread a complete waste of time.

You asked many questions about reliability and robustness and they were answered. Its a pity you didn't like the answers but that's life, nobody said it was perfect.

So you had a virus. There was absolute nothing in your original post that indicated that might be the problem. Wont boot is meaningless


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August 15, 2010 at 08:49:37
erm... about Rolls-Royce cars... Years ago (in the halycon daze of the 60's (peace, love and rock 'n roll etc...)

Rolls Royce would tell you (and maybe still do) that Rolls Royce cars - DO NOT BREAKDOWN...; they merely "fail to proceed"..."

Should that happen (mon Dieu - heaven forbid) they will (or would) instruct you to leave vehicle alone; where it is... They will send a large covered van to transport sed vehicle to a service depot to be persuaded to proceed again... Rolls are never to be seen being "towed" - so degrading, and the like... and not at all suitable for a Rolls...

Macs are possibly the closest to a crash proof item?

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August 16, 2010 at 10:28:27
myfuture; RE: " I am from INDIA and we Indians are more inventives and environment friendly"

LOL! Ok, sure, maybe you can fix this mess now:

And stop the cows from wandering around in your cities!:

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August 16, 2010 at 12:02:21

If one has a PC/laptop that won't work properly - but will at least boot from a CD/DVD - then even with only a single HD installed... one can still recover files etc.? Not rocket science and basic IT knowledge? No need of additional kit etc. (other than the appropriate CD/DVD) if one knows how; and clearly you do - but many may not...

Likewise just as you can remove a possible second HD which has files etc. only it (no OS/apps etc..) again one can remove even a single (only one present with everything on it) HD and slave it to another working system; or via a usb adapter. Again clearly you are familiar with the above - and again many may not be so...

The former option just above requires no additional kit; as one would use the existing connectors already in the working PC? The latter approach would mean a few Rupies/£££/$$$ etc., for the adapter; and that would have future-proof use of course...?

And of course those who look ahead usually tend to configure a hard-drive to have a partition for OS/apps/uitls etc.; and another for files - data etc. - only...? And thus the latter partition is more or less secure in event that OS crashes...? This used to be standard practice in the olde days - late 80's/early 90's onwards... by both manufacturers/vendors and those building their owns system (and applying basic forethought...)

Nothing unique there; and certainly not a skill or characteristic that is "unique to India"... Although fair to acknowledge India does produce some very brilliant minds - have met more than a few over the years - in Nuclear physics, electronics, IT, medical, and Vedic philosophy too just to mention a few areas I've been across. One ought not claim that any one nation is the only one that can do things without spending cash unwisely/unnecessarily; I've seen India at its basic levels (rural and urban) and been impressed with "village" technology and abilities. But also seen utter waste of resources and atrocious pollution too (Bangalore, Bombay - aka Mumbai) to mention but three places I have known; and Delhi was, a few years back, regarded as one of the most polluted places on earth (or was it Calcutta - both being equally bad by all accounts at the time...?).

Sadly India neglected much of its heritage and knowledge dating back centuries - some of which is recorded in Vedic texts...; although even those are often incomplete, or were misunderstood - until recently... There is much in Rig Veda that parallels quantum physics; but only in the last 30-40yrs or so has it begun to be appreciated...

Brilliance is not confined to any one nation...; although often it would appear so... One only has to look today at China and Japan (especially China) - and also Russia too in the recent past - to see others (apart from Europe/UK/N.Am etc.) that can excel as you claim "only India" can.. And certainly in Europe/UK and N.America there are many examples in many areas... Go even further back in history and there are many other examples too around the globe.

Likewise (as PC Geek comments) when one posts in a forum asking for input re' resolving a problem.., many offering assistance will seek to elicit more information in order to clearly understand just what is involved... In other words - will ask questions.

Forums often have to work with little or no real information; often misleading information; often are responding to people with limited or not technical knowledge or abilities.. And thus can only do their best to help with what they have; and hopefully not confuse the poster too much in the process...

To claim only one nation is the best; that it is "unique" - mmm. Look back to the 30's in Europe and remember where that idea took one nation; and later the mess created...

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August 17, 2010 at 10:49:01
Maybe the Germans can make a crash proof laptop now that they have made a crash proof motorcycle:

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